Salary Cap: Marner contract discussion XVIII (continued)

[Marshy]

As long as Dubas doesn't trade any roster players to make room to pay Marner more.

He can't rob Peter to pay Paul.

 

[Kiwi]

Tough to say.

You'd have to think that another team would consider OS'ing him if the Leafs were that dug at in at 5 years, for that reason. Doesn't necessarily add up. At that term I wouldn't be surprised if they're asking for $11+ mill AAV ...

That just isn't going to happen, nobody in there right mind is throwing out an offersheet with those numbers attached to it

To make it stick your going to be giving up 4 1sts and 11M+, if your not getting 8 years that makes literally no sense and Marner wants 5 years or less according to that tweet

Nobody is solving this for us, this is going to be an ugly protracted contract dispute, I wouldn't be shocked if Marner doesn't play this coming season if I'm being honest

I'm here to help brighten your day Bert

 

[McSnypsky]

As long as Dubas doesn't trade any roster players to make room to pay Marner more.

He can't rob Peter to pay Paul.

to pay Paul; I see what you did there

 

[Mickey Marner]

Who knows how legit this is, but if he's serious with his 11x3 demand, his ass needs to be traded pronto.

It's almost August, there aren't even teams that can afford 11 million dollar deals anymore. Let alone 14 million...
Like, I get the media making up their lies in late June/early July, but the money is no longer there. It's gone, spent. It's like Dr. Evil demanding exorbitant amounts of money or else he'll take over the frickin' world.

 

[Nooodles]

Who knows how legit this is, but if he's serious with his 11x3 demand, his ass needs to be traded pronto.

Oooh it's been a long time since a magic tweet like this. I have actually missed it.

Good to see some people are still trying.
Cuties.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

this may not be a popular opinion here, but at some point management has to set some precedence and draw the line in the sand.

personally, I would say:

"look, the deadline is 3 days before training camp. if you want to play for the Leafs this season (or ever again), here are your options:

1 - $X AAV for Y years
2 - $A AAV for B Years
3 - $C AAV for D Years

pick which of the three options you prefer, but if we go past the deadline, we're pulling the offer and you will either sit for the year or be traded. Feel free to explore offer sheets but make SURE it's a stadium that you'd actually want to play 41 games in."

If Dubas set this as an ultimatum, I'd give him mad respect and would not feel the least bit slighted if Marner & Co. chose to leave his teammates and team for pastures elsewhere. You can leverage and negotiate all you want, but when push comes to shove, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you have too much personal pride and desire to max your contractual returns, it's your prerogative - just don't be too surprised or upset if you end up in Carolina, Arizona, or on the outside of the NHL and looking in in 2019-2020.

 

[Notsince67]

this may not be a popular opinion here, but at some point management has to set some precedence and draw the line in the sand.

personally, I would say:

"look, the deadline is 3 days before training camp. if you want to play for the Leafs this season (or ever again), here are your options:

1 - $X AAV for Y years
2 - $A AAV for B Years
3 - $C AAV for D Years

pick which of the three options you prefer, but if we go past the deadline, we're pulling the offer and you will either sit for the year or be traded. Feel free to explore offer sheets but make SURE it's a stadium that you'd actually want to play 41 games in."

If Dubas set this as an ultimatum, I'd give him mad respect and would not feel the least bit slighted if Marner & Co. chose to leave his teammates and team for pastures elsewhere. You can leverage and negotiate all you want, but when push comes to shove, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you have too much personal pride and desire to max your contractual returns, it's your prerogative - just don't be too surprised or upset if you end up in Carolina, Arizona, or on the outside of the NHL and looking in in 2019-2020.

Leafs are not really sitting in perfect driver seat here. If they need move mitch, their replacement will not be better. Even with him, this team may not be much improved. If they do worse next year without marner, it will be Dubas packing his bags, not Babcock.

 

[Marshy]

Leafs are not really sitting in perfect driver seat here. If they need move mitch, their replacement will not be better. Even with him, this team may not be much improved. If they do worse next year without marner, it will be Dubas packing his bags, not Babcock.

The Leafs have/will have a walk away number. Shanahan will be in full approval of it. Perhaps he will even be the one who sets it.

If Marner then decides he's not playing for that number - Dubas will not be fired because of it.

The plan comes before the individual. There is a plan B without Marner that the Leafs as an organization are prepared for should it come to that.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Leafs are not really sitting in perfect driver seat here. If they need move mitch, their replacement will not be better. Even with him, this team may not be much improved. If they do worse next year without marner, it will be Dubas packing his bags, not Babcock.

I think whatever happens, Shanny will be supporting Dubas. He is not going to get rid of a young executive just like that.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

The Leafs have/will have a walk away number. Shanahan will be in full approval of it. Perhaps he will even be the one who sets it.

If Marner then decides he's not playing for that number - Dubas will not be fired because of it.

The plan comes before the individual. There is a plan B without Marner that the Leafs as an organization are prepared for should it come to that.

exactly. I agree with all of your points. Furthermore, if MLSE and Leafs & Co. are about optics at all, I have a feeling that the media and public will side with the team over the player on this one.

- hard salary cap so it's not like the team is trying to save $$
- Dubas & Co. cleared all bad contracts AND lost some valuable assets, just to try their damned hardest to sign hometown star player with a long-term reasonable contract
- hometown kid CHOOSING to leave a contending team for a few extra million dollars at the age of 22, rather than staying to end the 53 year drought
- closest teammates and key players have all committed to the team over the next 3-5 seasons, but key cog in the wheel opts to haggle and ultimately leave the team

 

[Notsince67]

I think whatever happens, Shanny will be supporting Dubas. He is not going to get rid of a young executive just like that.

Even Shanny has someone to answer to. This is a business and this is what happens when things arent done

 

[Suntouchable13]

Even Shanny has someone to answer to. This is a business and this is what happens when things arent done

Yea, he is going to get rid of Dubas instead of the old stubborn coach or the greedy player. Great plan.

 

[Alerion]

Even Shanny has someone to answer to. This is a business and this is what happens when things arent done

Sure, but businesses also can't overspend in order to get stuff done, they need to remain competitive in their marketplace.

 

[ACC1224]

Yea, he is going to get rid of Dubas instead of the old stubborn coach. Great plan.

Coach isn't involved in getting the player signed.

 

[Notsince67]

Yea, he is going to get rid of Dubas instead of the old stubborn coach. Great plan.

Dubas had 2 jobs. Sign the young studs at a reasonable contract and improve the defense. We have lost Gardiner and Kadri, have only 1 dman signed next year, have overpaid Matthews and Nylander because somehow Dubas learned from Lou to take your time in negotiations and will now lose Marner. That is not on Babs.

 

[Notsince67]

Sure, but businesses also can't overspend in order to get stuff done, they need to remain competitive in their marketplace.

I dont disagree. The problem is that he decided to slow walk the negotiations and had a lot of time to get this done. Last summer, i would never have even considered the worse case being as bad as now. Things were so rosy. Had someone told me that the best plan for the leafs last early last summer would lead to this, i would be reporting them for trolling.

 

[TheProspector]

Get it f***in done, Marner. There's no offersheet coming. Neither you or your descendents will experience any difference in quality of life if your contract is $9.5m x 8 or $12m x 8. You will, however, experience a large difference in quality of life if you leave enough on the table to fill out the roster with more depth, and win a Stanley Cup for your hometown Leafs.

 

[Marshy]

Get it ****in done, Marner. There's no offersheet coming. Neither you or your descendents will experience any difference in quality of life if your contract is $9.5m x 8 or $12m x 8. You will, however, experience a large difference in quality of life if you leave enough on the table to fill out the roster with more depth, and win a Stanley Cup for your hometown Leafs.

Nobody's asking him to leave $20M (over 8 years) on the table, nor should they. All he needs to do is sign for FMV and stop trying to pretend he's worth Top 5 money in the league. He's not and it's a farce.

 

[81Leafs50]

This doesn't make sense

you rarely make sense.

 

[HolyCrap]

Who knows how legit this is, but if he's serious with his 11x3 demand, his ass needs to be traded pronto.

Yup. If that’s the case it’s time to move on.

 

[81Leafs50]

predicting +/- 10% isn't a big stretch. He could also see a season where he scores 90

it is so incredibly funny that you can say "well, Kucherov MIGHT not score 40 goals or 100+ pts", but what if Marner scored 7 less goals than last season and 14 pts less also? (Marner 2018-2019 26goals and 94pts)

then what is he worth?

19goals and 80pts should net Marner what?

Kucherov got paid and then set career highs. Applaud then man for his talent. NOT, its not sustainable. LMAO

some people are a complete joke.

 

[HolyCrap]

It's almost August, there aren't even teams that can afford 11 million dollar deals anymore. Let alone 14 million...
Like, I get the media making up their lies in late June/early July, but the money is no longer there. It's gone, spent. It's like Dr. Evil demanding exorbitant amounts of money or else he'll take over the frickin' world.

We need some one who knows photo shop to make a Dr.Evil as Paul Marner and mini me as Marner. Ferris can be the crazy Dutch bastard and Dubas can be Austin Powers.

 

[FMichael]

We need some one who knows photo shop to make a Dr.Evil as Paul Marner and mini me as Marner. Ferris can be the crazy Dutch bastard and Dubas can be Austin Powers.

Too bad Marner would never sign for...

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

If they agree to 3 years, this contract conversation does not stop until that one expires.

 

[hector morrison]

Leafs are not really sitting in perfect driver seat here. If they need move mitch, their replacement will not be better. Even with him, this team may not be much improved. If they do worse next year without marner, it will be Dubas packing his bags, not Babcock.

I doubt that! I wouldn't fire my GM because of some spoiled brat holding the team hostage. The numbers /money available are no secret....Mitch is looking bad here...not Dubas.

As far as Babs job security,well ,he already has 2 new assistants,that I am not sure he had any say in. Either that or maybe he blamed the former assistants for the teams shortcomings,so they found him new ones.Since he hasn't shouldered any blame himself ,I would say he is on a short leash this year!