Salary Cap: Marner contract discussion XVII (continued)

[BayStBullies]

Player agents ruined sports. You wanna know why 1M more a year makes a difference on a 50-60M contract? Bigger commission for Ferris and his ilk. There is no "for the love of the game" for them.

Nope. It's all about the Hamiltons baby.

Have you ever told your boss to reduce your salary, compared to your market value? Every company has a budget.

 

[horner]

How about Goals per 60?

How about assist per 60?

 

[Notsince67]

oh the greed


greed is evil


10 million isn't good enough, it's gotta be 11


it's sickening when you get right down to it


why oh why do we support this

Its totally gangster

 

[Marshy]

Have you ever told your boss to reduce your salary, compared to your market value? Every company has a budget.

How does that relate to what I said? Sorry I'm not following you can you please clarify?

 

[LaPlante94]

How about assist per 60?

How about primary points/60?

 

[robertmac43]

Predictions on how many threads this will create before he signs?

 

[MyBudJT]

Predictions on how many threads this will create before he signs?

64

 

[robertmac43]

64

Would have been more fitting if you went with 67 :p

 

[Menzinger]

it's a bit of an overpay, as I have Marner probably worth $9.5m.

but he's far better than Aho.

A fair take. That's around what his abstract value should.be but also think the Leafs will be fine with a mid overpayment in aav.

I suspect aav isnt even the biggest issue though in terms of holding up the process - it's term. I'm hoping they'll compromise at around 10x6. Give or take a few hundred thousand

 

[Al14]

One of the three greedy amigos needs to be traded! Who should it be?

One of Nylander, Matthews, or Marner, needs to go! JMHO.

 

[DueDiligence]

what line ? he got maybe 500 k more than kypreos or dreger predicted

And maybe then Matthews settles for $10 million over 5 years and Marner settles for $9.5 over 5 as well.
And everyone is signed .

 

[TakeTheBody]

What's the betting line on Marner being signed before the season starts? I'm leaning he won't be signed. Lots of players won't be signed.

 

[DueDiligence]

All things equal in contract maybe. Nylander had an off year and started off playing late. Before that Marner was better but not by much. As of next year I agree with the guy you replied too. It may be a 10-15 point spread with a 3 mill gap in price

Compared to most garbage deals lately, Willy looks like a steal

The only thing is that Nylander hasn't done it yet and Marner has. Maybe Nylander gets 70 points but I bet Marner will get over 100 for a few years.

 

[Superstar]

Predictions on how many threads this will create before he signs?

11.6 x 5

 

[Pookie]

Interesting to compare this saga to the past.

Marner is greedy.

Yet Mats Sundin, refuses to waive his NTC saying he doesn’t believe in joining a team through the season.

Then, after “retiring,” accepts a deal to play in Vancouver and joins them well into the season.

Leafs get absolutely nothing as a result of Mats’ choices.

Both players used their contract status to influence their own destiny. Maybe even battle with management.

Sundin is a fan fav. Marner is a greedy jerk.

Makes .... uh..... sense?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Interesting to compare this saga to the past.

Marner is greedy.

Yet Mats Sundin, refuses to waive his NTC saying he doesn’t believe in joining a team through the season.

Then, after “retiring,” accepts a deal to play in Vancouver and joins them well into the season.

Leafs get absolutely nothing as a result of Mats’ choices.

Both players used their contract status to influence their own destiny. Maybe even battle with management.

Sundin is a fan fav. Marner is a greedy jerk.

Makes .... uh..... sense?

When Marner plays 13 years of a Hall of Fame career with the Leafs and sticks around until he's 37 trying to pull the team through a Cup drought as captain, then maybe he gets more sympathy when it comes to determining the future of his career.

 

[LaPlante94]

Interesting to compare this saga to the past.

Marner is greedy.

Yet Mats Sundin, refuses to waive his NTC saying he doesn’t believe in joining a team through the season.

Then, after “retiring,” accepts a deal to play in Vancouver and joins them well into the season.

Leafs get absolutely nothing as a result of Mats’ choices.

Both players used their contract status to influence their own destiny. Maybe even battle with management.

Sundin is a fan fav. Marner is a greedy jerk.

Makes .... uh..... sense?

One was almost 40, had pretty much every franchise record and led s to many playoff round wins including to the conference finals so idk why you'd try to compare the 2. I get what you're trying to say but just a bad comparison.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Interesting to compare this saga to the past.

Marner is greedy.

Yet Mats Sundin, refuses to waive his NTC saying he doesn’t believe in joining a team through the season.

Then, after “retiring,” accepts a deal to play in Vancouver and joins them well into the season.

Leafs get absolutely nothing as a result of Mats’ choices.

Both players used their contract status to influence their own destiny. Maybe even battle with management.

Sundin is a fan fav. Marner is a greedy jerk.

Makes .... uh..... sense?

I toss stuff out there just to show a different angle often but this is so wrong and a really bad post lol

 

[hector morrison]

There wont be any changes to the cap because this is exactly how it should be paying your players based on how they will produce moving forward during the duration of the contract not what they did in the past. The cap issues that the league has is do to the fact that teams have been doing business backwards looking for bargain contracts on there youth to offset the stupidity of overpaying UFA vets to long term deals...

This notion that a young player as a RFA somehow warrants to be payed less is severely skewed. Marner is a superstar that has 10 years of superstardom in him.

If your not paying this guy then your doing things backwards like the rest of the dolts managing teams in the league.

UFA with players looking to hit there late 20's in age lets say 28-29 and beyond is where you look for bargains on the cap.

That pendulum will always swing both ways! All it will take is for a few players to not live up to the hype/big contract and then the team can't trade him for shyte..the team will adapt to the '.once burned ,twice shy' attitude.

A happy medium is difficult to achieve to be sure,but once a team has maxed out the cap and managed their assets well ,they expect a shot at winning for a few years.Success by the team will open an owners wallet. Paying young players top dollar only to see the team lose can change a teams philosophy. Like ,perhaps they seek players who would rather win a cup with like -minded team mates,rather than make the most money. I've had a hard time understanding just how much your lifestyle is affected by making 80 million dollars instead of say 70 million dollars over the same time frame....must be awful!

 

[supsens]

Interesting to compare this saga to the past.

Marner is greedy.

Yet Mats Sundin, refuses to waive his NTC saying he doesn’t believe in joining a team through the season.

Then, after “retiring,” accepts a deal to play in Vancouver and joins them well into the season.

Leafs get absolutely nothing as a result of Mats’ choices.

Both players used their contract status to influence their own destiny. Maybe even battle with management.

Sundin is a fan fav. Marner is a greedy jerk.

Makes .... uh..... sense?

I don’t know if you were around for the Sundin ‘greed’ but the way he was treated for wanting to remain a leaf was extreamly harsh at the time and shocking considering how valued he was and how long he played in Toronto. I know I’m an outsider but it was sad to see.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Interesting to compare this saga to the past.

Marner is greedy.

Yet Mats Sundin, refuses to waive his NTC saying he doesn’t believe in joining a team through the season.

Then, after “retiring,” accepts a deal to play in Vancouver and joins them well into the season.

Leafs get absolutely nothing as a result of Mats’ choices.

Both players used their contract status to influence their own destiny. Maybe even battle with management.

Sundin is a fan fav. Marner is a greedy jerk.

Makes .... uh..... sense?

Not even close.

Mats did a lot for the Leafs as captain. He gave his entire prime to Toronto for crying out loud.

 

[Pookie]

Case and point.

Both Sundin and Marner used/are using the levers they had/have for their own personal advantage to the possible detriment of the team.

Sundin had a NTC, made up some crap about not being a rental. Then became a rental on his own terms. Team got nothing.

Marner is RFA. Chatting with other teams. Started at a high opening position. His camp is using the media. Hasn’t held out yet. Basically using his (only) leverage. Wants a contract on his terms. Team will get him or something in trade.

One is lauded now and has a statue. The other is greedy.

Fans are fickle and really are jumping the gun here on Marner.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Case and point.

Both Sundin and Marner used/are using the levers they had/have for their own personal advantage to the possible detriment of the team.

Sundin had a NTC, made up some crap about not being a rental. Then became a rental on his own terms. Team got nothing.

Marner is RFA. Chatting with other teams. Started at a high opening position. His camp is using the media. Hasn’t held out yet. Basically using his (only) leverage. Wants a contract on his terms. Team will get him or something in trade.

One is lauded now and has a statue. The other is greedy.

Fans are fickle and really are jumping the gun here on Marner.

You should shut down this Sundin stuff and call it a night, your going in the wrong direction

 

[Gabriel426]

well aho accepted 8.5 marner isnt 3 mill better
that's what it comes down to

I think the fact that Aho accepted 8.5mil is hurting all other RFAs on their contracts and that’s why nobody has sign anything yet.
I don’t think Point is 3mil better than Aho but pretty sure Point believe he is as good if not better than Matthews and Eichel.
Laine and Boeser are essentially waiting for one another to sign a contract.

 

[Kiwi]

Case and point.

Both Sundin and Marner used/are using the levers they had/have for their own personal advantage to the possible detriment of the team.

Sundin had a NTC, made up some crap about not being a rental. Then became a rental on his own terms. Team got nothing.

Marner is RFA. Chatting with other teams. Started at a high opening position. His camp is using the media. Hasn’t held out yet. Basically using his (only) leverage. Wants a contract on his terms. Team will get him or something in trade.

One is lauded now and has a statue. The other is greedy.

Fans are fickle and really are jumping the gun here on Marner.

If I remember rightly people weren't exactly thrilled with Sundin at the time that was going down either, and that's for a guy that captained the team for years and held practically every major Leaf record

I'm sure if Marner ends up staying and has the same career Sundin had for the Leafs he's going to get himself a statue as well when all is said and done

Fans are down on a guy during a tough contract dispute, more shocking revelations at 11 so stay tuned

Jes Pookie your losing your touch, the fire has really gone out since Kadri left hasn't it