Yeah so did Nail Yakupov. Means **** all. Also super curious as to how you compared production at ages when one was playing against men in Sweden and one was playing with his peers in the OHL. 2015 world Juniors Nylander had 10 points in 7 games against his peers. Marner in 2016 (same age as Nylander in 2015) had 6 points in 5 games. Very very curious what these comparisons are based off of outside of draft spot which means....(see Nail Yakupov)
No, it means a fair amount. I mean, Marner put up a higher point per game both years despite being a year younger. Excelling at a younger age, generally means you are going to be better. It doesn't have an 100% co-relation, but there is a co-relation.
He's also ignoring that teams could have offered Marner more and he didn't sign it.
Not a lot of credibility for a person who in the last week claimed that the Leafs had no injuries at the end of last year and that Marner has never faced the top players from other teams
I'd rather slightly overpay him to his comparables and buy out his prime years, than trade a kid who got 94 points as a 21 year-old. Even at 11m a year, he'll probably provide a better return than that money spent on UFA's due to the years you are buying. Unless you are somehow getting Seth Jones in return (and that isn't happening) or we luck out on an offer sheet and the team completely bottoms out like we did with Kessel, I have a very hard time seeing us come out of any deal ahead. Like, we won't overpay by 1.5 to 2m, so we can pay Tyson Barrie 8m a year when he's 35? You don't give up players like Marner. You almost never ever win those deals.
Yes, because Columbus that wouldn't pay Parinen would give up assets to overpay Marner. Give up 4 frists, destroy their cap structure with their own unsigned RFA Werenski, and await the Jones contract coming up.
Name the teams that are willing to overpay Marner, and give up 4 frists for the privilege...
You heckle heavily for average replacable players. You don't give up an elite talent. The Lindros trade is a one off. You are more likely to end up in a Seguin type situation. No one is giving us a Lindros haul.
Don't need to, where are those offer sheets? The leafs are already offering Marner more than any other team is willing to PAY; also, the leafs are the only team willing to overpay Marner.
Well, we don't really know what in-line is, considering we haven't seen what Rantanen, Point and to a lesser extent Laine get. I'd classify overpaying an elite player by the extent of a decent bottom-sixer which is 1.5-2m not that dramatically different. You can't let elite young talent go. You figure out where to trim elsewhere. You trade a Kapanen, Johnson or Kerfoot and see what you have with a Bracco. You rarely lose out overpaying elite young players who are RFA. The deals that historically burn you are buying up 28-35 from players who are fringe first liners to middle-sixers. If we gave Marner the exact same deal as Tavares, I would say the Tavares deal is more likely to haunt us due to the ages we are buying up. It is not ideal the RFA market has shifted on us, but we can't lose sight of the need to retain elite talent. The hope is, that as elite young players start to get paid, it then drives down the UFA prices into more realistic prices. We will see if the whole league starts to shift like this. Marner, Provorov, Werenski, Boeser, Point, Rantanen and next year Barzal and Hischier will be very telling in that regard.
He can get an offer-sheet and not sign it. They aren't just submitted and become public knowledge.
Yes you got me, Marner is such a loyal guy, he wouldn't sign for more money somewhere else.
At the end of the day, you need to realize what value the player is providing to the team, whether he is a UFA or RFA. Marner will likely live up to a deal even if its an overpay. The only complaint is that he's signing it as an RFA and not a UFA. Really, its about how does their production match what they are doing. Even at a 11m dollars, Marner is likely to play up to that value. It is inconvenient for us that RFA's are now getting paid. But, you can't let an elite talent like Marner walk. You are highly unlikely to win that scenario. Its better to overpay, then shop one of he, Matthews or Nylander in a year, where they likely hold more value.
Are you actually this dense? A team could offer more, and he could think he could still get more from the Leafs later on or from another team later on. You seem to just ignore this fact. The fact he hasn't signed an offer-sheet just shows he and his representation haven't found a deal that is acceptable, even if another team is offering more.
would $11M be a slight overpayment though? I think you absolutely need to get 8 years if you're going to that number, and even with that it looks like a new high water mark for RFA wingers. Ultimately I think being willing to play chicken with Marner pays off, I'm fine with slightly overpaying him compared to his peers but I think that extra $1.5M makes a big difference in keeping the compete window open
