Salary Cap: Marner contract discussion XIII

[Kiwi]

He is worth 11 million, not 16 million

He isn't worth 11M or 16M So there's that

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner is at around 9-9.5mil

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He isn't worth 11M or 16M So there's that

But he is worth 11 and it is pretty clear that gets it done so get it done and go win the championship

 

[TML1967]

He isn't worth 11M or 16M So there's that

His team by using the media and selectively leaking info for the last few months have really changed people opinion of what a good deal would be.

Aho got 8.5 x 5, he has better line driving numbers, is a C, scores more, had worse linemates to accomplish all of this, but had less points and is less dynamic.

9.5m is 10.5% more than Aho.
10m is 15% more.
10.5m is 19% more.

Imo there is no rational argument in my mind to say Marner is 19% better, or more valuable than Aho.

 

[Kiwi]

But he is worth 11 and it is pretty clear that gets it done so get it done and go win the championship

No he isn't, no RFA winger straight out of his ECL has even got close to 11M in the history of the game, of course 11M "gets it done", it's a rediculous overpay so of course he's going to sign it

It's like Aho never existed, there the same tier of player, so paying Marner 2.5M more is bloody mind numbing

You know how you win championships? By not vastly overpaying multiple players on your roster

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No he isn't, no RFA winger straight out of his ECL has even got close to 11M in the history of the game, of course 11M "gets it done", it's a rediculous overpay so of course he's going to sign it

It's like Aho never existed, there the same tier of player, so paying Marner 2.5M more is bloody mind numbing

You know how you win championships? By not vastly overpaying multiple players on your roster

Just because no winger has ever gotten 11 out of their ELC before doesn't mean Marner isn't worth it, that has nothing to do with Marner.

Even if he isn't he is absolutely worth 10.5'if you have to give him an extra 500K you do it.

This is the best roster they have had in 20 years if not more.

Sign your franchise winger and ou win the title.

I said before the draft I thought the Leafs were 1 piece away maybe 2 if you included a backup goalie they went out and got that piece when they got Barrie.

Don't damage your chances by not signing Marner get it done because if you do you win a cup.

A cup is what matters.

 

[Popeye7735]

No GM in his right mind would spend 11+ mil in cap space and 4 first rd picks on Marner. Yes, i'm calling the Marner camp bluff if they claim some offer sheets of this magnitude are forth coming.
There is no denial that he is mighty good but he is not a franchise player because of the position he is playing. I won't match any OS that would compensate us for 4 first rd picks. This might actually be the best scenario for the team moving forward in its quest for the Cup if an expensive offer sheet is indeed rendered and signed.
I'm a big fan of Mitch and hate to see him go. Notwithstanding, the most I would offer him is 10 mil x 6 or 10.5 x 7/8. Take it or leave it.

 

[Pookie]

No GM in his right mind would spend 11+ mil in cap space and 4 first rd picks on Marner. Yes, i'm calling the Marner camp bluff if they claim some offer sheets of this magnitude are forth coming.
There is no denial that he is mighty good but he is not a franchise player because of the position he is playing. I won't match any OS that would compensate us for 4 first rd picks. This might actually be the best scenario for the team moving forward in its quest for the Cup if an expensive offer sheet is indeed rendered and signed.
I'm a big fan of Mitch and hate to see him go. Notwithstanding, the most I would offer him is 10 mil x 6 or 10.5 x 7/8. Take it or leave it.

So you’d offer a Patrick Kane deal circa 2015?

 

[Coatsy79]

f*** this kid, let him sit all year

 

[Kiwi]

Just because no winger has ever gotten 11 out of their ELC before doesn't mean Marner isn't worth it, that has nothing to do with Marner.

Even if he isn't he is absolutely worth 10.5'if you have to give him an extra 500K you do it.

This is the best roster they have had in 20 years if not more.

Sign your franchise winger and ou win the title.

I said before the draft I thought the Leafs were 1 piece away maybe 2 if you included a backup goalie they went out and got that piece when they got Barrie.

Don't damage your chances by not signing Marner get it done because if you do you win a cup.

A cup is what matters.

What? Kane had lead his team through deep playoff performances and had very similar numbers to Marner through this point of there careers, his deal over 5 years as a % of a 81.5M cap would be around 9M

11M isn't even the ballpark, it's the concourse outside the stadium and just saying he deserves it doesn't actually mean anything, give me an RFA winger straight out of there ELC thats got within 2M of 11M adjusted for an 81.5M cap?

If you massively overpay him, don't win the cup this season then start having to dismantle the roster because your cap structure is ****** what's your plan for winning then?

 

[Pookie]

His team by using the media and selectively leaking info for the last few months have really changed people opinion of what a good deal would be.

Aho got 8.5 x 5, he has better line driving numbers, is a C, scores more, had worse linemates to accomplish all of this, but had less points and is less dynamic.

9.5m is 10.5% more than Aho.
10m is 15% more.
10.5m is 19% more.

Imo there is no rational argument in my mind to say Marner is 19% better, or more valuable than Aho.

Well... there are things called data points that would lend themselves to a rational argument.

Same number of games played in their career... 28 more points for Mitch. Regular season is one thing... playoffs?

Mitch edges him there too.

 

[CelticDruid]

Yep. I'm a big fan of draft picks.

But I'm also realistic. We drafted a guy at #4 overall. And he's a good one.

And they aren't walking away if the offer sheet is below what Matthews signed for.

They just aren't.

I'm not vested in whether he stays or goes. Not a Mitch fan. Good player. But good players come and go.

I'm following the business and politics. And both of those say that if an offer sheet is on the table for less than Matthews... the Leafs match. If it's more... they walk.

Sorry. That's just the way it works.

I believe that a lot of fans are neutral, either way it's a win and a loss.

We are just numb from all the greed and egotistical posturing.

I would rather trade him for picks or players or a combination of both.

The return could easily give us the SC.

 

[RoadWarrior]

The NHL has been chasing that NBA Cable Money Dream for twenty years. If the Rogers deal was any indication, the NHL is kind of a money loser and I think in store for a rude awakening

Probably right. However the agents are acting like the TV windfall is an automatic. That's what is driving the crazy demands for big money on shorter contracts.

 

[kfox]

Forget about a 12+ OS from NYI.... because of Barzal. Mitch would have to play with him...he would have a killer year and then want Mitch money next summer. That math wouldn't work for Lou,, same way it's not working for Dubas.

Looking at Isles cap situation, I'm surprised how many soon-to-be bad contracts there are, many of which Lou would have a hard time getting rid of---too many guys making over 5m signed into their mid-30's. Mitch in NY ain't happening.

 

[KPower]

Columbus is desperate for scoring after losing Panarin and Duchene.

How about trading Marner for Seth Jones?

Jones has 3 years left at 5.4/year

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Columbus is desperate for scoring after losing Panarin and Duchene.

How about trading Marner for Seth Jones?

Jones has 3 years left at 5.4/year

See what I mean.

Why would Columbus do that deal. arguably the best young up and coming Defense man in the game today.

So Columbus gets marner. Scores 100 points but lose every game
7-6 because they can’t keep the puck out of the net,

Go back and look at free agency over the last years. How. Many true number 1 dman have made it to free agency.when teams have that true number 1 they sign them.

There are more elite wingers to be had in free agency than number 1 dman.

I’m surprised I haven’t seen a marner for mcdavid trade

 

[KIWILEAFFAN]

What about Marner for McDavid with a sweetener our way

 

[Bluelines]

That’s a myth.
Man, it really is frustrating so many people still think this.

It's not at all.

If Mitch signs after October 2nd his cap hit this upcoming season is calculated the exact same way as Nylander's was in his first year of his contract.

Unlike most other contracts, Nylander’s cap hit isn’t calculated by simply dividing the total dollar amount ($45 million) by the number of years (6). Because it was signed in-season, his cap hit will actually be much higher in year 1, saving the Leafs money in future years when they really need it.​

 

[Dayjobdave]

Looking at our cap situation I wonder if we are better off without Marner.

If we don’t have his cap hit we can re sign our D core next year.

One of the marlie kids can fill in. We will still have two number one centres and a bunch of skilled young wingers. Maybe we would even play better as a team

I’m sure we can get something of value for Mitch as well.

Maybe this is the best way to balance the team.

 

[thewave]

Looking at our cap situation I wonder if we are better off without Marner.

If we don’t have his cap hit we can re sign our D core next year.

One of the marlie kids can fill in. We will still have two number one centres and a bunch of skilled young wingers. Maybe we would even play better as a team

I’m sure we can get something of value for Mitch as well.

Maybe this is the best way to balance the team.

If you want a balanced team, big contracts need to go. Possibly two of them. Nylander is not a big contract.

 

[MyBudJT]

No he isn't, no RFA winger straight out of his ECL has even got close to 11M in the history of the game, of course 11M "gets it done", it's a rediculous overpay so of course he's going to sign it

It's like Aho never existed, there the same tier of player, so paying Marner 2.5M more is bloody mind numbing

You know how you win championships? By not vastly overpaying multiple players on your roster

False BoBo.

Tomas Vanek signed for 7 x 14.2% after his ELC which would be equivalent to 11.573 in Today’s NHL...

So Marner wouldn’t be the first winger post-aELC to get paid in the 11 tier.

 

[Dayjobdave]

If you want a balanced team, big contracts need to go. Possibly two of them. Nylander is not a big contract.

I agree. The only two players that would move the needle cap-wise to achieve that balance are Mitch and Auston. We are locked in on Tavares.

So we can keep them and be unbalanced, move one and be slightly unbalanced, or move two and be really balanced but lacking high end skill.

Even moving one would seem radical, but the smart guys at the top are going to need to figure this out.

 

[Dayjobdave]

False BoBo.

Tomas Vanek signed for 7 x 14.2% after his ELC which would be equivalent to 11.573 in Today’s NHL...

So Marner wouldn’t be the first winger post-aELC to get paid in the 11 tier.

Matching that offer sheet was a massive mistake too.

 

[MyBudJT]

Matching that offer sheet was a massive mistake too.

Except Marner >> Vanek.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Except Marner >> Vanek.

I completely agree. Just saying, can you imagine those 4 years of picks not going to Edmonton ?