Salary Cap: Marner contract discussion XIII

[Throw More Waffles]

It's all subjective.

From our perspective, someone offering us $1M would seem like a blessing. If you're Mitch Marner, $9.5M might seem like an insult...

That's why we look at the cap percentage other rfa wingers with Marner's numbers put up.

If he's demanding far more than them, he's being greedy and unreasonable.

I'll never understand why greed is defended so much by sports fans. It seems most of the people defending Marner's right (a millionaire top 0.00001 percenter) to take his team hostage get super angry when people like teachers or postal workers go on strike. Jobs where people barely even get by.

I just don't understand it.

 

[CelticDruid]

Mitch Marner and the story of the Prodigal Son...

There was a General Manager with two elite players. The younger one said to the G.M., ‘Dubas, give me MORE than my share of the Salary Cap.’ So the GM did as he was asked.

Not long after that, the younger player got hurt over and over again, dogged it while UNDERproducing during the regular season, and refused to play the P.K..

Still, whenever the G.M. saw him, he was filled with compassion. He ran to his younger player, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

The younger players said to him, "I have UNDERproduced, been injured over and over again, and refused to work the PK, I am NO longer worthy to be called The Best Leaf."

But the GM said to his servants, "Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on Auston. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this favourite player of mine is a Leaf." So they began to celebrate.

Meanwhile, the older son was working hard on the ice. When he came to the office, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. The servant said : "The GM has killed the fattened calf because Matthews once scored 4 goals in his first game".

The older player became angry and refused to go in. So the GM went out and pleaded with him. But Marner answered the GM, "Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you. I have produced more points. I have never gotten hurt and I have worked the PK. Yet, you've never given me a good contract so I could celebrate with my friends.

But when this player of yours who has UNDERproduced, sat on his fat ass while I work the PK, and can't stay healthy comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!"

“‘Mitch,’ the GM said, ‘I have given all the Cap money to Auston and you are screwed. Sorry... NOT SORRY!!!"

Timothy Leary would love this post.

Timothy Francis Leary (October 22, 1920 – May 31, 1996) was an American psychologist and writer known for advocating the exploration of the therapeutic potential of psychedelic drugs under controlled conditions.

 

[ORRFForever]

That's why we look at the cap percentage other rfa wingers with Marner's numbers put up.

If he's demanding far more than them, he's being greedy and unreasonable.

I'll never understand why greed is defended so much by sports fans. It seems most of the people defending Marner's right (a millionaire top 0.00001 percenter) to take his team hostage get super angry when people like teachers or postal workers go on strike. Jobs where people barely even get by.

I just don't understand it.

That's true. He's being greedy.

As for why he is being defended by fans...

We live vicariously thru him. We can't hold out for $10M/yr plus, but he can, so GO MITCH GO!!!!

 

[ORRFForever]

Timothy Leary would love this post.

He must be a Leaf fan.

 

[CelticDruid]

He must be a Leaf fan.

LOL

 

[dangomon]

Mitch Marner and the story of the Prodigal Son...

There was a General Manager with two elite players. The younger one said to the G.M., ‘Dubas, give me MORE than my share of the Salary Cap.’ So the GM did as he was asked.

Not long after that, the younger player got hurt over and over again, dogged it while UNDERproducing during the regular season, and refused to play the P.K..

Still, whenever the G.M. saw him, he was filled with compassion. He ran to his younger player, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

The younger players said to him, "I have UNDERproduced, been injured over and over again, and refused to work the PK, I am NO longer worthy to be called The Best Leaf."

But the GM said to his servants, "Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on Auston. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this favourite player of mine is a Leaf." So they began to celebrate.

Meanwhile, the older son was working hard on the ice. When he came to the office, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. The servant said : "The GM has killed the fattened calf because Matthews once scored 4 goals in his first game".

The older player became angry and refused to go in. So the GM went out and pleaded with him. But Marner answered the GM, "Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you. I have produced more points. I have never gotten hurt and I have worked the PK. Yet, you've never given me a good contract so I could celebrate with my friends.

But when this player of yours who has UNDERproduced, sat on his fat ass while I work the PK, and can't stay healthy comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!"

“‘Mitch,’ the GM said, ‘I have given all the Cap money to Auston and you are screwed. Sorry... NOT SORRY!!!"

Well-written fiction.

 

[ORRFForever]

Well-written fiction.

When I was a boy, I use to sit in Church and hear this story, but I never understood it. It never made sense - the rotten brother gets everything, while the good brother gets shafted.

When I got older, I found it to be one of the truest Bible parables.

As for whether it applies to Mitch and Matthews, I'll leave that to you to decide.

 

[biotk]

When I was a boy, I use to sit in Church and hear this story, but I never understood it. It never made sense - the rotten brother gets everything, while the good brother gets shafted.

When I got older, I found it to be one of the truest Bible parables.

As for whether it applies to Mitch and Matthews, I'll leave that to you to decide.

Anyone who keeps Ferris as an agent can only be the rotten brother. But regardless, neither has been shafted and Marner has been offered more than he is worth but he still wants much more. Doubly rotten.

 

[glue]

So is there a rumour yet today that an offer sheet is definitely coming..if not let me be the one to make that false but definitive statement that a 12.5 or some other absurd number offer sheet is being prepared. And maybe one fan on this board can start that rumour daily until he actually signs something logical, or gets traded

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

So is there a rumour yet today that an offer sheet is definitely coming..if not let me be the one to make that false but definitive statement that a 12.5 or some other absurd number offer sheet is being prepared. And maybe one fan on this board can start that rumour daily until he actually signs something logical, or gets traded

My sources told me Marner received an offersheet today, but he turned it down. Stay tuned tomorrow where he'll receive a better one from a divisional rival .

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

A bunch of nobody analysts are really trying to make a name out of this Marner situation. While I want an offer sheet to come just to see what happens, I don't believe one is coming.

 

[Notsince67]

What should Dubas have done? His options are to give Marner his contract demand, or slowly work him down to a more reasonable contract. Just like Nylander, Marner doesn't have to sign the contracts that Dubas offers.

A 1.6mm less than Matthews contract is already outrageous. Risking losing a player like Marner for the sake of lowballing further relative to what he has given out is incompetent. What was he thinking when he handed out that contract and Marner was close to a 100 point streak?....that he would pay Marner 3mm less? Who does that?

 

[Michoulicious]

Mitch Marner and the story of the Prodigal Son...

There was a General Manager with two elite players. The younger one said to the G.M., ‘Dubas, give me MORE than my share of the Salary Cap.’ So the GM did as he was asked.

Not long after that, the younger player got hurt over and over again, dogged it while UNDERproducing during the regular season, and refused to play the P.K..

Still, whenever the G.M. saw him, he was filled with compassion. He ran to his younger player, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

The younger players said to him, "I have UNDERproduced, been injured over and over again, and refused to work the PK, I am NO longer worthy to be called The Best Leaf."

But the GM said to his servants, "Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on Auston. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this favourite player of mine is a Leaf." So they began to celebrate.

Meanwhile, the older son was working hard on the ice. When he came to the office, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. The servant said : "The GM has killed the fattened calf because Matthews once scored 4 goals in his first game".

The older player became angry and refused to go in. So the GM went out and pleaded with him. But Marner answered the GM, "Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you. I have produced more points. I have never gotten hurt and I have worked the PK. Yet, you've never given me a good contract so I could celebrate with my friends.

But when this player of yours who has UNDERproduced, sat on his fat ass while I work the PK, and can't stay healthy comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!"

“‘Mitch,’ the GM said, ‘I have given all the Cap money to Auston so you are screwed. Sorry... NOT SORRY!!!"

That is awesome.

 

[Notsince67]

Why are we offering him 10.5M×5 in the first place?
That's a **** contract at the level of Matthews **** contract

If Dubas offered that without a signed offersheet forcing his hand he's already an absolute failure because that contract is disgusting

Uhhh...Matthews contract is 1.1mm richer than that with a ntc in the last year but dont let that get in the way of your story.

 

[ToneDog]

A 1.6mm less than Matthews contract is already outrageous. Risking losing a player like Marner for the sake of lowballing further relative to what he has given out is incompetent. What was he thinking when he handed out that contract and Marner was close to a 100 point streak?....that he would pay Marner 3mm less? Who does that?

A rookie GM ???

 

[Notsince67]

A rookie GM ???

Or an incompetent one?

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

That's why we look at the cap percentage other rfa wingers with Marner's numbers put up.

If he's demanding far more than them, he's being greedy and unreasonable.

I'll never understand why greed is defended so much by sports fans. It seems most of the people defending Marner's right (a millionaire top 0.00001 percenter) to take his team hostage get super angry when people like teachers or postal workers go on strike. Jobs where people barely even get by.

I just don't understand it.

I was thinking the same thing. So many naive fans on here with little to no life experience arguing for the 1 percent lol. Meanwhile the middle class and veteran players are getting crushed. Maybe it’s just the entitlement generation thinking everything should just be handed over to them without paying their dues.

 

[Bluelines]

So is there a rumor yet today that an offer sheet is definitely coming..if not let me be the one to make that false but definitive statement that a 12.5 or some other absurd number offer sheet is being prepared. And maybe one fan on this board can start that rumor daily until he actually signs something logical, or gets traded

To support your post...



"... from reputable sources"

FWIW I would take the 4 first rounders if the offer is indeed $12.5 million.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Just wondering out loud. If you're a team that is conceivably okay with offer sheeting Marner at a number the Leafs won't match, and you're already okay with giving up 4 first round picks. Would you give up a 5th to sign him at a more reasonable rate and now screw your own internal cap?

 

[Kiwi]

Uhhh...Matthews contract is 1.1mm richer than that with a ntc in the last year but dont let that get in the way of your story.

Uhhh... Matthews contract is a disgrace and he's better

You guys crack me up, all I saw for months was people ******** about the Nylander and Matthews contracts and now you can't wait to dive headlong into another one because Mitch is so dreamy

 

[ToneDog]

Or an incompetent one?

In the Quinn era, I believe Bill Watters was responsible for contract negotiations. Perhaps Shanny fumbled the ball not assigning the task of signing the big 3 to somebody with bigger onions and somebody not so much buddy-buddy with the 3. The buck stops at Shanny.

 

[Auston 316]

When I was a boy, I use to sit in Church and hear this story, but I never understood it. It never made sense - the rotten brother gets everything, while the good brother gets shafted.

When I got older, I found it to be one of the truest Bible parables.

As for whether it applies to Mitch and Matthews, I'll leave that to you to decide.

It doesn’t.

 

[Notsince67]

Uhhh... Matthews contract is a disgrace and he's better

You guys crack me up, all I saw for months was people ******** about the Nylander and Matthews contracts and now you can't wait to dive headlong into another one because Mitch is so dreamy

Does Dubas think it is a disgrace? What possible logic pays matthews more than 7.5mm more over 5 years than Marner?

 

[Heisen]

KHL team offering 15M so this going to November.

 

[Notsince67]

In the Quinn era, I believe Bill Watters was responsible for contract negotiations. Perhaps Shanny fumbled the ball not assigning the task of signing the big 3 to somebody with bigger onions and somebody not so much buddy-buddy with the 3. The buck stops at Shanny.

I dont disagree. Dubas should have had training wheels on before he was tasked with signing the biggest 3 contracts of one year in league history