Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Less than 2 weeks to camp

[IPS]

12.5M was proper math during the season. McDavid is 16.68% cap hit on an 8 year deal, so do Matthews at 12% x whatever projected amount the cap ceiling was supposed to be (it came in less), it should have been 12.45 (or bump to 12.5M) and boom, it made sense.

The whole "it'll cost 13-15M to lock up Matthews for 8 years" narrative was ridiculous. Maybe if you literally didn't counter but 12.5M x 8 years for Matthews should have been done.

Oh well, coulda, shoulda, woulda.

I actually think Marner's deal is done by camp and then we can focus on how Babcock will **** up this season. I swear if our break out strategy is the stretch pass again and the forwards keep flying the zone early, I will lose it.

What in your opinion would be the correct breakout system for Toronto?

I love Tampa's breakout scheme but Columbus imposed a super aggressive 1-2-2 strategy that completely stifled them.

St. Louis used a similar strategy in the playoffs too. Seems like these lesser-skilled teams abuse this to frustrate much more skilled teams.

 

[X66]

People talking about Matthews market value without understanding the current NHL market.

This place is great.

 

[PromisedLand]

Agreed $10.86 mil X 8 would reset the RFA winger ceiling and would have to be upper most limit Leafs should go to get Marner signed and then swallow hard knowing they had to overpay to play.

Realistically Marner's price last summer was not Eichel's contract as a comparable but Draisaitl's $8.5 mil X 8 deal the one openly mentioned and discussed as his ask and eventual target.

Eichel deal +$2 mil per season was one comparable used in the Matthews contract negotiations not Marner.

Somewhere between last summer and now there seems to be a very large logical disconnect from reality here, and the only thing that changed is the Matthews contract coming in the middle.

Everytime I read something like this it makes me mad at dubas even more; amateur hour all the way

 

[tmlfan98]

10.5M x 6 would be a huge L for Dubas.

The reality is if a team offered Marner 10.568x5 right now he would probably accept because its 5 years and he knows the Leafs would have to match a max tier 2 offersheet. Anything in the tier 1 range he's risking it and he knows it.

10.5x6 would be a win at this point considering it's the same cap hit and both Marner and JT would be locked in for 6 years together.

I still think it's gonna end up being either 8.416x3 or 10.416x6.

 

[gabeliscious]

The reality is if a team offered Marner 10.568x5 right now he would probably accept because its 5 years and he knows the Leafs would have to match a max tier 2 offersheet. Anything in the tier 1 range he's risking it and he knows it.

10.5x6 would be a win at this point considering it's the same cap hit and both Marner and JT would be locked in for 6 years together.

I still think it's gonna end up being either 8.416x3 or 10.416x6.

if a team thought marner was worth that they would offer sheet him. the reason why non of these guys are getting offer sheeted is because no one wants to over pay and give up picks

 

[tmlfan98]

if a team thought marner was worth that they would offer sheet him. the reason why non of these guys are getting offer sheeted is because no one wants to over pay and give up picks

No one has to think Marner is actually worth that, they would just be screwing the Leafs. The Leafs would never accept a compensation package of just two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Marner. They would have to match that offersheet.

 

[kb]

Do people actually still think that teams would risk screwing themselves over to try to screw the Leafs?

 

[biotk]

The reality is if a team offered Marner 10.568x5 right now he would probably accept because its 5 years and he knows the Leafs would have to match a max tier 2 offersheet. Anything in the tier 1 range he's risking it and he knows it.

How do you think that Marner's endorsement earnings are going to fare after he signs an offer sheet?

10.5x6 would be a win at this point considering it's the same cap hit and both Marner and JT would be locked in for 6 years together.

Why? Surely if Marner is worth 10.568M per he can carry his own damn line. Run 3 lines equally. Marner with Kerfoot and Mik or Johnsson.

 

[LeafChief]

Do people actually still think that teams would risk screwing themselves over to try to screw the Leafs?

Yes, some people actually believe this.

 

[Maple Leaf]

People talking about Matthews market value without understanding the current NHL market.

This place is great.

The only one who doesn't understand market value is Dubas

 

[ORRFForever]

Might as well make up our minds that Marner won't sign for less than $10.5M.

Once everything shakes out, there will be room.

 

[tmlfan98]

How do you think that Marner's endorsement earnings are going to fare after he signs and offer sheet?



Why? Surely if Marner is worth 10.568M per he can carry his own damn line. Run 3 lines equally. Marner with Kerfoot and Mik or Johnsson.

If he signs a tier 2 offersheet his endorsement earnings won't change because the Leafs will match.

 

[kb]

Yes, some people actually believe this.

That's........ special.

 

[LeafChief]

That's........ special.

Check out the main boards if you want to see special.

 

[biotk]

If he signs a tier 2 offersheet his endorsement earnings won't change because the Leafs will match.

Why? If Maner signs an OS that indicates he was willing to leave and pretty much destroys his (pure BS) image of the local kid who is just so happy to play at home. You don't think there would be blow back from that? You don't think that companies would view the Marner brand as tainted with the fan base?

 

[kb]

Check out the main boards if you want to see special.

Been there done that.

Mittens pinned to shirtsleeves.

 

[ORRFForever]

Why? If Maner signs an OS that indicates he was willing to leave and pretty much destroys his (pure BS) image of the local kid who is just so happy to play at home. You don't think there would be blow back from that? You don't think that companies would view the Marner brand as tainted with the fan base?

Marner will always be in demand in Toronto. Local kid, starring for the Leafs, the cheques write themselves.

 

[biotk]

Marner will always be in demand in Toronto. Local kid, starring for the Leafs, the cheques write themselves.

They shouldn't. And if there is such special treatment for hometown boys like Marner, then players from anywhere else should know to stay clear.

 

[ORRFForever]

They shouldn't. And if there is such special treatment for hometown boys like Marner, then players from anywhere else should know to stay clear.

If I was advertising and Marner was within my price range, he'd be my first choice.

 

[biotk]

If I was advertising and Marner was within my price range, he'd be my first choice.

Good for you. If "Toronto" is more concerned about further enriching an extremely wealthy local kid (with a completely BS image) than winning then they deserve to never get past the first round.

 

[ORRFForever]

Good for you. If "Toronto" is more concerned about further enriching an extremely wealthy local kid (with a completely BS image) than winning then they deserve to never get past the first round.

I won't argue with you, biotk.

I don't believe it will affect his endorsements.

 

[biotk]

I won't argue with you, biotk.

I just don't believe it will affect his endorsements.

I don't think it will either, but I think it should. And you never know - if Marner was to sign an OS which the Leafs match and then Marner and the team start off slow I think a large and vocal segment could turn against him. I doubt it. But in my view if you sign an OS and the team matches your days should be numbered on the team.

 

[hector morrison]

Do people actually still think that teams would risk screwing themselves over to try to screw the Leafs?

Loony Tunes....What GM would waste their time on that?

 

[ORRFForever]

I don't think it will either, but I think it should. And you never know - if Marner was to sign an OS which the Leafs match and then Marner and the team start off slow I think a large and vocal segment could turn against him. I doubt it. But in my view if you sign an OS and the team matches your days should be numbered on the team.

Fair enough.

 

[hector morrison]

Why? If Maner signs an OS that indicates he was willing to leave and pretty much destroys his (pure BS) image of the local kid who is just so happy to play at home. You don't think there would be blow back from that? You don't think that companies would view the Marner brand as tainted with the fan base?

once the games started and he continues to put up points and do those Marner things?....No ,I don't think his 'brand' would be affected.