Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Less than 2 weeks to camp

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

If he signs for 3x9.5 I'm gonna need to take a couple laps before I'd be ready to watch this team. There is no world where that makes sense or has a basis in logic.

and it sounds like that's only on the table, so the real deal could end up being worse. Good thing it's only speculation

 

[diceman934]

Come on now, let's not get carried away here. We got another player in that deal as well.

I am not getting carried away. The main piece is a free agent after this year. Not great value in my mind.

 

[Cor]

and it sounds like that's only on the table, so the real deal could end up being worse. Good thing it's only speculation

In theory, we don't know which side of the table it's from.

If it's on the table from us, and the Marner camp isn't taking it, that means the expect double digits on a 3 year deal (lmao)

If it's on the table from them, and Dubas hasn't taken it yet, that means he's staying firm in the you either get short term OR the AAV you want, not both. (at least firm for now lol)

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

In theory, we don't know which side of the table it's from.

If it's on the table from us, and the Marner camp isn't taking it, that means the expect double digits on a 3 year deal (lmao)

If it's on the table from them, and Dubas hasn't taken it yet, that means he's staying firm in the you either get short term OR the AAV you want, not both. (at least firm for now lol)

yes true. I am not very convinced by media speculation, but in this case I can see a similar figure on a 3 year deal. Especially if Dubas is really being pressured to keep him at any cost

 

[gabeliscious]

3 x $9.5 million? If that isnt sufficient for Marner then I am not sure if i see a future with the leafs for him. imo that is over and beyond reasonable.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Really wish Dubas took the “Its not our preference to go down that route, but some light discussions have happened and we are prepared to go down that road if necessary” route instead of saying a flat out no. Put some fear out there Kyle. #16 doesn’t want to leave Toronto. Everyone knows it

Dubas is all about his relationship with the players. That's how he has decided to manage. We will see if that pays off, but in theory it should generate some loyalty to wanting to play for him, knowing he will always treat you with respect.

I think he is counting on keeping on Marner's good side, as he feels Marner will force a deal when games are getting closer.

 

[IPS]

LMAO @ 8 year level money on a 3 year term

holy f*** that is beyond unreasonable.

 

[BillyD]

worth remembering ...

 

[Clark4Ever]

9.5 x 3 is unacceptable on so many levels. If that offer really is on the table, this is not going to end well.

 

[Kamiccolo]

IMO if Dubas gives Marner that contract, as good as his other moves have been, he should be fired. And if Shanny approves that, he should be fired too.

Unjustifiable. You can't pay guys their 8 year rate on short term deals. In 3 years, Marner will ask for 15M for 3 or 4 more years. And then get 1 more big deal when he is 30.

9.5 for anything less than 6 years is fireable.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Put me in the "Fire Dubas" boat if 9.5 x3 years happens, holy f***.

Kid is in over his head.

 

[janesy12]

so What that makes he better now. The gap between them is huge. One is going backwards the other is becoming a legit top 10 player in the league.

Assuming you're referencing Matthews here, what gives you any indication that his game is going backwards? His points per game totals have increased every single season in the NHL. He did this all while dragging multiple wingers along with him. Remember Matthews didn't get to play with an elite player of Tavares ability. Not saying the gap between Matthews/Marner is huge, but saying Matthews is regressing is straight up wrong.

 

[Cor]

I don't see how we can watch Sebastian Aho get 8.5M x 5 years, and then give Mitch Marner 1M more on the AAV for 2 less seasons.

I mean, their respective PPG's over the last two seasons are very close, & Aho scores more goals, on a less offensive powered team, and Aho is Carolina's best player, and their top line center.


9.5M x 3 years is hard to even consider defending.

 

[PromisedLand]

Really wish Dubas took the “Its not our preference to go down that route, but some light discussions have happened and we are prepared to go down that road if necessary” route instead of saying a flat out no. Put some fear out there Kyle. #16 doesn’t want to leave Toronto. Everyone knows it

Marner haters butt hurt to the max

P.S. Rielly for captain

 

[Cor]

Marner haters butt hurt to the max

P.S. Rielly for captain

I can assure you I am the farthest thing from a "Marner hater"

 

[PromisedLand]

I can assure you I am the farthest thing from a "Marner hater"

no dude that wasn't directed at you man; was just using tweet in your post to may be reinforce the message of that tweet towards marner bashers

 

[FMichael]

IMO if Dubas gives Marner that contract, as good as his other moves have been, he should be fired. And if Shanny approves that, he should be fired too.

Unjustifiable. You can't pay guys their 8 year rate on short term deals. In 3 years, Marner will ask for 15M for 3 or 4 more years. And then get 1 more big deal when he is 30.

9.5 for anything less than 6 years is fireable.

This is what happens when the team gladly gives a guy (Matthews) more, or less what he wanted (even more than what veteran Tavares got via UFA), and then teammate Marner (who's just as popular - if not more so since he's a a local kid) has produced more these past 2 seasons (granted due largely to Matthews shoulder injuries).

I'm sure rival GMs have a dartboard in their office with Dubas' picture on it.

Don't get me wrong - I like Dubas, and he's a stand up guy for taking the heat this past spring (while Babcock shrugged it off), but his style of management - being 'friendly' with the players - may just bite him in the a$$...

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't see how we can watch Sebastian Aho get 8.5M x 5 years, and then give Mitch Marner 1M more on the AAV for 2 less seasons.

I mean, their respective PPG's over the last two seasons are very close, & Aho scores more goals, on a less offensive powered team, and Aho is Carolina's best player, and their top line center.


9.5M x 3 years is hard to even consider defending.

It's fireable, like historically awful if it happened.

C > Wing
Statistically comparable.

The only argument for the money is "Because Marner wants 9.5M x3 years" which is dumb, that is arguably 7 year money for 3 years.

 

[hockeywiz542]

What is the latest on Mitch Marner and the negotiations? That’s all Leafs fans want to know.

“Yeah, we’ve continued to have dialogue with [Marner’s agent] Darren [Ferris] as recently as last week. I think I would feel a little more anxious or perhaps look back and wonder whether we should have done anything different, but I think everybody in the league with these types of restricted free agents are in the exact same spot. The guys who are mentioned all the time, but even if you peel it back a level below and even the guys who aren’t mentioned all the time, they aren’t signed either."

"There really hasn’t been a lot of movement in that market since July 1 when [Timo] Meier signed and when [Sebastian] Aho came off the board, so I don’t know how it will play out here. I would expect – in looking at it and looking at the history of these things – that some of it will start to shake loose and we’re certainly hopeful and we’ll continue to work towards having [Marner] be one of those players that signs in the coming week here.”

 

[al secord]

People still getting triggered by what Dreger's "hearing?"

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Even if you have Marner as our best player, trading your second best player to make room for him would be among the least effective solutions imaginable.

That's why you trade Nylander!

 

[Kamiccolo]

People still getting triggered by what Dreger's "hearing?"

Normally I agree, but remember last year when we all laughed off the Matthews rumored deal of 5 years at over 11? And then it happened, the forum raged for a day, and then people started defending it.

I am sure people will defend 9.5 x 3. Hell, if that was offered and not taken, who's to say it won't go to 10 x 3?

 

[FMichael]

Normally I agree, but remember last year when we all laughed off the Matthews rumored deal of 5 years at over 11? And then it happened, the forum raged for a day, and then people started defending it.

I am sure people will defend 9.5 x 3. Hell, if that was offered and not taken, who's to say it won't go to 10 x 3?

If I were a betting man...I'd say it'll end up sumthin like $10.5 to $11 million for 5 seasons.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I am not getting carried away. The main piece is a free agent after this year. Not great value in my mind.

Figure of speech. Completely ignoring one of the players we got in the trade could be construed as getting carried away. We'll see what this guy is all about but he's probably worth a lot more than a bag of pucks. And Kadri's value has plummeted as well so ... overall, seems like a pretty good deal to me.

 

[Kiwi]

Put me in the "Fire Dubas" boat if 9.5 x3 years happens, holy ****.

Kid is in over his head.

That would be one ugly ass contract

I'd rather sit the player indefinitely than sign something that unprecedented, the fact were even discussing this number seriously is a bad sign for what an eventual contract may look like

Somebody offersheet him and save us from ourselves