Damisoph
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Nope. That sort of deal makes sense to me though, as a last resort for Dubas. Maybe I'm just projecting my own feelings, I just want this soap opera to be over.
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Nope. That sort of deal makes sense to me though, as a last resort for Dubas. Maybe I'm just projecting my own feelings, I just want this soap opera to be over.
Damisoph
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This.
Like some GMs have the gift of the gab or something and just befuddle their player and his agent to sign at the # the GM wants.
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It’s only a soap opera out here with media speculating wildly. I doubt Dubas or Ferris are losing sleep. I wonder if Mitch or Paul have heard a single number yet.
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This isnt logical. I would suggest you think a logical number through instead of trying to argue something as absurd as 15mm. A dispassionate view would not get us a number higher than Matthews. You are just trying to snuff out any culpability of Dubas instead of having an honest discussion. Emotions do this. Ceding a point that Dubas miscalculated is not the end of the world when it is so obvious that he likely did. A better point is that he isnt the first nor the last. Adding Willy , Sparks and AM to the mix of that mistake is what buries him a bit.
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Most effective option available to retain the best player on the leafs? Trade Matthews. It's pretty obvious
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Nithoniniel
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Even if you have Marner as our best player, trading your second best player to make room for him would be among the least effective solutions imaginable.
ULF_55
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He was voted better in the Calder.
I'm not saying who is better today, they have such different jobs and responsibilities.
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Call Ferris and offer him 2 deals. A short term bridge 3 x $8m that would allow the Leafs some wiggle room to make additions in hopefully a run this year.
Also offer longer term 6 x $10.5 deal. Both may be an over payment but it gets it done and many are anticipating the salary cap to balloon quite a bit with the new US Tv deal. Worry about that later.
Let Ferris know that they are no longer negotiating. These are the only 2 contracts they can offer right now and they'll need to choose one. No more discussions, he can sit or play in Europe.
Dubas has already made a number of moves to open cap space to accommodate Marner so let him decide. It's time for Dubas and the Leafs to call the bluff.
We've heard nonsense all summer about offer sheets and multiple teams being interested and Marner would force the Leafs hand with offer sheets. None of that happened. Marner doesn't want to leave Toronto and his multiple endorsement deals so call his bluff.
Sign or sit kid.
I also find it extremely funny how so many are calling Nylander's $6.9 salary a massive over payment when it's right in line with his comparables yet have no problem paying Marner Matthews money or more.
Also offer longer term 6 x $10.5 deal. Both may be an over payment but it gets it done and many are anticipating the salary cap to balloon quite a bit with the new US Tv deal. Worry about that later.
Let Ferris know that they are no longer negotiating. These are the only 2 contracts they can offer right now and they'll need to choose one. No more discussions, he can sit or play in Europe.
Dubas has already made a number of moves to open cap space to accommodate Marner so let him decide. It's time for Dubas and the Leafs to call the bluff.
We've heard nonsense all summer about offer sheets and multiple teams being interested and Marner would force the Leafs hand with offer sheets. None of that happened. Marner doesn't want to leave Toronto and his multiple endorsement deals so call his bluff.
Sign or sit kid.
I also find it extremely funny how so many are calling Nylander's $6.9 salary a massive over payment when it's right in line with his comparables yet have no problem paying Marner Matthews money or more.
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ShaneFalco
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Start openly shopping the guy and put the pressure on them. Want to stay in TO Mitch? Sign or we need to go about our business
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That first paragraph is a main part of the reason to explain the Matthews contract its overpayment and its short term for top $$. Dubas knew full well that had Matthews reached RFA status that he would have received OS on day #1 for AAV in the 15's perhaps. Because franchise #1C have that kind of leverage to make their own teams overpay if they so desire. Leafs essentially purchased only 1 UFA year from Matthews with a price tag around $15 mil for year #5 and 4 x RFA years @ $10 mil AAV.
Wingers even good ones like Marner simply do not have that kind of clout as we have seen with Marner's Zero offersheet leverage.. It doesn't matter if its on draft day or as RFA status primary team building blocks are C and D and wingers are secondary and not worth 4 X 1st round picks compensation unless your OV or something really special.
Those factors above should prove Matthews is not a good comparable comp for Marner to be paid similarly. Aho's OS total would have only surrendered a 1 X 1st rounder (+2nd +3rd) at $8.45 mil x 5 years which is more in the line with what Marner should be. If Marner wanted that contract there would be teams willing to sign him to an OS by now. IMO
However Marner seems to be leveraging points scored on the same team and the Leafs internal salary structure against the Leafs by using Matthews as his comp.
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You don't think this team needs anything? I'd be looking at a high end d-man and another forward
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What will he sign for with new team? Unsigned, they’re not getting much.
If the Leafs let him sit and were to sign another $6 million player then he’ll sign a tier 2 OS in November and the leafs get nothing but a few draft picks
He holds he cards.
Could you imagine the potential media/fan uproar...Sending a good Canadian lad - from the GTA to Calgary for yet another American born in the desert?
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All the hockey writers, insiders and analysts are back this week. Should be fun on the Marner news front.
ShaneFalco
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He doesn't hold the cards anymore. No os threats, playing overseas? Whatever.....
If there's no sign and trade to be had, set a deadline, and let him sit
If Marner broke his leg in game 1 would the season for the Leafs be over? No, he's one player.
ULF_55
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To whoever offers the best return.
I would hope someone as talented as marner would have some value around the league.
The only issue would be if he's overrating himself and no one feels he's worth his ask.
ULF_55
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Why wouldn't the new team sign him?
They wouldn't trade for him without talking to his agent about his ask.
If the ask is appropriate they trade for him.
If the ask isn't appropriate he isn't worth his ask.
He'll be rich, eventually, whether he plays this season or not.
Leafs will be rich whether he plays or not.
He's just an asset with a limited lifetime value.
If you have leverage to get an amount based on the market's willingness to give you that amount it is not an overpayment.
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He holds no cards anymore. If the holdout lasts into the season, he gets traded. Or sits the season And right now, the Leafs can match up to 4 first round picks.
Why would he wait to sign an offer sheet for less than he could sign for right now? People need to use a little common sense here.
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