Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Less than 2 weeks to camp

[Notsince67]

Admittedly I don't know 100% what goes on behind closed doors, but it sounds like he/his camp are just being greedy SOB's with ego(s) playing a large role.
Seen lots and lots of hockey players come and go over my years. Marner is good, but I've learned they're all easily replaceable in terms of who I want to cheer for.

Wish this forum would go back to topics about hockey. This other stuff is just off topic IMO. Pick a different team or a different sport to cheer about. This crap doesnt belong here.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Wish this forum would go back to topics about hockey. This other stuff is just off topic IMO. Pick a different team or a different sport to cheer about. This crap doesnt belong here.

This whole topic is off topic then. Discussing contracts and cap hits is not talking hockey.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

Wish this forum would go back to topics about hockey. This other stuff is just off topic IMO. Pick a different team or a different sport to cheer about. This crap doesnt belong here.

What "crap" exactly are you referring to? The fact I believe him to be greedy? The fact I wouldn't miss him if he was gone? What opinion am I not supposed to have that displeases you so that you want it banned?

 

[hizzoner]

If contracts and cap hits are off limits then all talk about signing free agents or making trades should be off the table too because any such discussions would be nonsensical. So sorry but I disagree.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

Wish this forum would go back to topics about hockey. This other stuff is just off topic IMO. Pick a different team or a different sport to cheer about. This crap doesnt belong here.

Does somebody force you to read posts you don't like?
Have you ever thought maybe DON'T READ stuff which obviously upsets you (for whatever weird reason) instead of trying to control what everybody else gets to say/read??

 

[ORRFForever]

There are no ultimatums though.
There are realities of a salary cap.

A previous poster suggested an ultimatum that I was commenting on.

 

[ORRFForever]

Your experience in signing NHL contracts?

My experience in life.

 

[Kelly]

What "crap" exactly are you referring to? The fact I believe him to be greedy? The fact I wouldn't miss him if he was gone? What opinion am I not supposed to have that displeases you so that you want it banned?

Unless we're somehow getting Patrick Kane back, you're lying to yourself if you think you wouldn't miss Mitch Marner (assuming you like watching a good exciting Leafs team).

He's gonna re-up and we're all gonna act like this never happened, MM is going back to a fan fav and the outagers will turn their teeth back at Babcock.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

Unless we're somehow getting Patrick Kane back, you're lying to yourself if you think you wouldn't miss Mitch Marner (assuming you like watching a good exciting Leafs team).

He's gonna re-up and we're all gonna act like this never happened, MM is going back to a fan fav and the outagers will turn their teeth back at Babcock.

As I mentioned before, I hope he signs. I really won't lose any sleep though if they trade him (or Nylander) though for a better D.

 

[LeafChief]

My experience in life.

Well damn. We need to get you in touch with the front office ASAP.

 

[ORRFForever]

Well damn. We need to get you in touch with the front office ASAP.

Good Lord. Can't we just agree to disagree?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

If Leafs don’t have Mitch signed for first day of the season, what are the odds of Leafs loading up on another LTIR contract to extend their LTIR relief pool? Say grab Zetterberg from Detroit for another $6m on the cap.

 

[ORRFForever]

If Leafs don’t have Mitch signed for first day of the season, what are the odds of Leafs loading up on another LTIR contract to extend their LTIR relief pool? Say grab Zetterberg from Detroit for another $6m on the cap.

He'll be signed and all this thread's worry will be for not.

 

[PromisedLand]

I wish NHL could devise a NHL salary cap which looks at players' take home pay for a 23 man roster

force a salary cap that is after-tax income; sure different teams will have a different cap structure including taxes but after taxes it would be the same. And they should be revised every year as taxes change

 

[ORRFForever]

I wish NHL could devise a NHL salary cap which looks at players' take home pay for a 23 man roster

force a salary cap that is after-tax income; sure different teams will have a different cap structure including taxes but after taxes it would be the same. And they should be revised every year as taxes change

Good idea but too messy.

Plus, we only feel that way because we are fans of a Canadian team. If you were fans of the Lightning, you'd like the advantage.

 

[ULF_55]

I wish NHL could devise a NHL salary cap which looks at players' take home pay for a 23 man roster

force a salary cap that is after-tax income; sure different teams will have a different cap structure including taxes but after taxes it would be the same. And they should be revised every year as taxes change

I'm pretty sure they could check with other companies that have cost differentials for their multinational employees.

Heck, back in the 80's my employer, an international corporation with employees across North America had cost differentials for employees, especially when transferred to Toronto LOL.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Wish this forum would go back to topics about hockey. This other stuff is just off topic IMO. Pick a different team or a different sport to cheer about. This crap doesnt belong here.

Its not fun to read but i check every now and again for posters perspective on Marner. The hockey writers has a big article today insisting dubas tell him a final off and let him sit the season if not accepted!! Hahaa well wouldn’t that be a complete catastrophe of epic proportions.

I think momentum is turning on Marner. Not me! I just want our hard working right winger back. They will work something out like usual. Crazzzzy i tell ya

 

[Wafflewhipper]

What "crap" exactly are you referring to? The fact I believe him to be greedy? The fact I wouldn't miss him if he was gone? What opinion am I not supposed to have that displeases you so that you want it banned?

Oh you would miss him if he was gone. You likely are so dug in on hating him(not sure just seems you are from what i am quoting) that you would never admit it to anyone.

You give the board a sensible trade option and a damn specific one that could easily happen that we would break even on or possibly win and i might understand your hate you have in.

Actually just save your effort for something constructive instead of coming up with trades that would only be speculation. So don’t do that. I think you might be being harsh. I want Marner signed. We need him

 

[81Leafs50]

This is true. Whoever said Marner has no leverage is sleeping on this

HOW is that leverage in the favor of Marner?

NO ONE wants him at the number he wants and terms. Not the Leafs not anyone.

Marner is losing traction by the day and will probably have to settle for some 3 year deal witch is NOT what he wants. Marner loses. He has to wait 3 years start earning 10+mill. Instead of now.

 

[biotk]

If Leafs don’t have Mitch signed for first day of the season, what are the odds of Leafs loading up on another LTIR contract to extend their LTIR relief pool? Say grab Zetterberg from Detroit for another $6m on the cap.

What do you think adding Zetterberg would allow the Leafs to do?

 

[Maple Leaf]

Wish this forum would go back to topics about hockey. This other stuff is just off topic IMO. Pick a different team or a different sport to cheer about. This crap doesnt belong here.

It is all about cap management
Hard to decide which of these greedy munchkins to trade
Nylander is probably the first gone

 

[Kiwi]

What do you think adding Zetterberg would allow the Leafs to do?

It's another 6M so you could get Gardiner back if you were that way inclined, you'd need to sort out the contracts though which isn't much of an issue

The major problem is that the Zetterberg contract goes for another year after this one which is a real pain in the ass to deal with

 

[biotk]

It's another 6M so you could get Gardiner back if you were that way inclined, you'd need to sort out the contracts though which isn't much of an issue

The major problem is that the Zetterberg contract goes for another year after this one which is a real pain in the ass to deal with

I think some people are confused about how the cap works. The Leafs picked up Clarkson so he, along with Horton, would be able to get the team to the cap (assuming Marner is not yet signed) allowing (hypothetically) all of their combined 10.55M to be freed up by LTIR. Adding Zetterberg would just put the team 6M over the cap, so putting him on LTIR would free up zero dollars (it would still be, hypothetically, 10.55M).

There is no get out jail free card here.

 

[nuck]

Good idea but too messy.

Plus, we only feel that way because we are fans of a Canadian team. If you were fans of the Lightning, you'd like the advantage.

Who has more clout, Habs and Leafs or Bolts and Panthers? If the clubs who play in grinding tax environments want a change you would think they would get it. Boston and NYR are also in the six highest tax rates and the Cali teams are in the top ten. These teams are the movers and shakers. I am not sure why tax equalization isnt a thing, but it just isn't. The have nots must be using some other arguement to continue to exploit the unbalanced taxes.

 

[shakermaker]

Both JT and Matthews should tell the Leafs they are willing to take a small pay cut - pay BOTH $10.75M, so the Leafs can give Marner the same.

That's the way it should have been in the first place - they all make the same.

You can't renegotiate existing contracts in the NHL. This has never been done in the cap world. Ever.