Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - 1 week to camp ... nothing

[yubbers]

Nope. The stats are quite clear.

Agreed. JT inflated Mitches stats.

 

[Nineteen67]

Nope. The stats are quite clear.

Curious, would you evaluate the left tackle on FG points scored per 60 or some other meaningless stat?

If Marner had an NHL shot the Leafs PP would have had more options and may have been less predictable.

 

[Lenovs]

he doesn't take 8.7x3? he wants matthews money? wtf. trade him.

 

[ACC1224]

Or 3rd best behind Point and Rantanen

I would take Marner over those two but can see why some others wouldn't.

I wonder what the feeling toward Dubas will be if Marner is paid more than those two?

 

[Dekes For Days]

How about goal totals? They mean nothing to you? ES and PP assists is so ingrained into you.

I've already posted them.

ES G/GP at time of signing, all ELC years (adjusted to an average 15:00 ES TOI/GP):

Point - 0.25
Marner - 0.21
Rantanen - 0.19

ES G/GP at time of signing without EN goals, all ELC years (adjusted to an average 15:00 ES TOI/GP):

Point - 0.24
Marner - 0.20
Rantanen - 0.17

Point is a slightly better goal-scorer, but he also plays with Kucherov. Rantanen is a slightly worse goal-scorer, despite playing on the 2nd most stacked line in hockey.

Half his PP assists were slap-passing the puck into the crowd of sticks and skates in front of the goalie and the puck getting scored off the rebound/bounce.

No... they really weren't. Marner beats both in PP P1/60 over his ELC, meaning he scores primary points (goals and primary assists) at a higher rate.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Agreed. JT inflated Mitches stats.

Both helped each other's stats, as always happens when elite players play together.

Both Point and Rantanen had much better linemates than Marner.

 

[Mess]

I would take Marner over those two but can see why some others wouldn't.

I wonder what the feeling toward Dubas will be if Marner is paid more than those two?

Like you always say .. "Dubas is too smart to mess this up".

 

[Confucius]

he doesn't take 8.7x3? he wants matthews money? wtf. trade him.

Let's just wait until he signs an offer sheet, we'll match. I want to see what somebody else would pay him.

 

[ACC1224]

Let's just wait until he signs an offer sheet, we'll match. I want to see what somebody else would pay him.

Don't hold your breath for that to happen

 

[Mess]

Let's just wait until he signs an offer sheet, we'll match. I want to see what somebody else would pay him.

Problem is nobody else around the league is willing to pay Mitch what he wants, so he is stuck waiting on Dubas to come through.

 

[ACC1224]

Problem is nobody around the league else is willing to pay Mitch what he wants, so he is stuck waiting on Dubas to come through.

I doubt that very much

 

[Nineteen67]

I would take Marner over those two but can see why some others wouldn't.

I wonder what the feeling toward Dubas will be if Marner is paid more than those two?

Me too. Although Rantanen has that size factor that would be rather appealing.

 

[ToneDog]

I doubt that very much

Who is willing to pay Marner Matthews money and willing to trade for him ?? All I hear are crickets.

 

[Polk High]

Mirtle on the leaf report today was saying that the Marner camp is dead set on getting the Matthews deal (same term+dollar amount) and that they believe as a tandem (Marner+Matthews) are the faces of the leafs franchise. It shocks me that even a 3 year term at a high dollar amount hasn’t gotten it done. He also alluded to the fact that the leafs have been very aggressive in trying to get a deal done, as he has reported before

Looks like the Marner camp is looking at the Towes Kane model.

The only "leverage" they have to recieve the Matthews contract is the fact that they are on the same team.

If traded to another team I have to think his ask goes down. I can't see any situation that any other team would pay anywhere near that $ amount on a 5 year term.

 

[BlueForever75]

Rantanen and Point are looking at setting the market and no longer waiting on Marner. I cannot wait til the Marner camp gets screwed.


How does Rantanen sing for 8.5 per season on a 7 year deal as its being rumored in Colorado, but Marner is going to get paid upward of 2+ million more per season????

Makes no sense to me at all. Rantanen/Colorado/Agent know that what Marner is asking for is way too inflated. They know Rantanen's worth, especially playing on a line that he was.

Once Rantanen signs his contract Marner can kiss his leverage goodbye. He either signs for what the market is set for him. Or he sits.

Those of you that think Marner and Rantanen are that far apart in skill and production have lost their marbles.

Marner succeeded because of playing with Tavares and given ample minutes on special teams. Rantanen is the same playing with whom he does.

Both players apart from their linemates will be good players but come no where close to putting up the points they did last season.

 

[Nineteen67]

I've already posted them.

ES G/GP at time of signing, all ELC years (adjusted to an average 15:00 ES TOI/GP):

Point - 0.25
Marner - 0.21
Rantanen - 0.19

ES G/GP at time of signing without EN goals, all ELC years (adjusted to an average 15:00 ES TOI/GP):

Point - 0.24
Marner - 0.20
Rantanen - 0.17

Point is a slightly better goal-scorer, but he also plays with Kucherov. Rantanen is a slightly worse goal-scorer, despite playing on the 2nd most stacked line in hockey.


No... they really weren't. Marner beats both in PP P1/60 over his ELC, meaning he scores primary points (goals and primary assists) at a higher rate.

When did I say that?

 

[ACC1224]

Who is willing to pay Marner Matthews money and willing to trade for him ?? All I hear are crickets.

Not privy to who would and it's probably never come up as he doesn't want to play anywhere else.

 

[ULF_55]

Problem is nobody else around the league is willing to pay Mitch what he wants, so he is stuck waiting on Dubas to come through.

I think the problem is he isn't worth the picks.

 

[ToneDog]

Funny how many thought JT would not sign in T.O because he refused to play second fiddle to Matthews. Starting to think it might be true for Marner. He has to know that the longer this goes, the worse it is for his brand. Yet here we are.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Curious, would you evaluate the left tackle on FG points scored per 60 or some other meaningless stat?

I don't watch football, but there is nothing meaningless about P/60.

If Marner had an NHL shot the Leafs PP would have had more options and may have been less predictable.

Leafs had a good PP. They had a bad 2nd PP this year, which Marner wasn't on.

 

[ToneDog]

Not privy to who would and it's probably never come up as he doesn't want to play anywhere else.

I can only think Columbus and he is rumoured to have turned them down. If he wants to be the highest paid on his team, you can rule out many teams. If he really wants to be here why is 10x8 not enough ?? I can only think of two things. Ego and greed.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't watch football, but there is nothing meaningless about P/60.


Leafs had a good PP. They had a bad 2nd PP this year, which Marner wasn't on.

IIRC both PPs were bad after Nylander returned. Kadri did not help by missing so many chances but their #1 PP was too predicable the second half of the season.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Rantanen and Point are looking at setting the market and no longer waiting on Marner. I cannot wait til the Marner camp gets screwed.


How does Rantanen sing for 8.5 per season on a 7 year deal as its being rumored in Colorado, but Marner is going to get paid upward of 2+ million more per season????

Makes no sense to me at all. Rantanen/Colorado/Agent know that what Marner is asking for is way too inflated. They know Rantanen's worth, especially playing on a line that he was.

Once Rantanen signs his contract Marner can kiss his leverage goodbye. He either signs for what the market is set for him. Or he sits.

Those of you that think Marner and Rantanen are that far apart in skill and production have lost their marbles.

Marner succeeded because of playing with Tavares and given ample minutes on special teams. Rantanen is the same playing with whom he does.

Both players apart from their linemates will be good players but come no where close to putting up the points they did last season.

He and his agent think he has no comparables

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't watch football, but there is nothing meaningless about P/60.


Leafs had a good PP. They had a bad 2nd PP this year, which Marner wasn't on.

Leafs PP was no way near as good as it could have been. As we all know it became predictable and easier to defend mostly due Apolo’s inability to shoot the puck.

BTW, when did I say the stuff about bounces etc that you quoted me as saying? You should edit that.

 

[ACC1224]

I can only think Columbus and he is rumoured to have turned them down. If he wants to be the highest paid on his team, you can rule out many teams. If he really wants to be here why is 10x8 not enough ?? I can only think of two things. Ego and greed.

I don't believe he wants 8 years.