Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - 1 week to camp ... nothing

[Suntouchable13]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I’d rather have him signed and playing right from the start, don’t get me wrong, it’s just that the contract is less than ideal

 

[18leafsfan18]

He did panic, but I don't understand the pressure. There was still a year of ELC left, an offer sheet wouldn't be happening for almost a year.

Nope. There wasn't a year left. Signed in February of his last ELC year. Literally takes 30 seconds to look up.

 

[4thline]

I’d rather have him signed and playing right from the start, don’t get me wrong, it’s just that the contract is less than ideal

Less than ideal, but once you ask the question "Was a 12.5 x 7 offersheet a credible threat?" and realize the answer is yes it becomes of matter of a couple hundred k.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Parking next door in a lot controlled by the team or an affiliated entity is HRR.

Sponsorships are HRR, though the rate at which they are included could vary depending on details like permanent vs temporary signage and arena tenancy.

Sponsorship's are 50% categorically NOT always HRR. I drop around 250K per year into MLSE arena sponsorship through 1 of my companies. I have asked MLSE numerous times if this was HRR and they have said numerous times it is not because it is arena based which has multiple uses including the Leafs. Sponsors are investing in the arena, not the Leafs. Game ice sponsors on the boards are a different matter. This is why this 1 particular issue is so complicated. You can sponsor a wall in 2nd deck that is not HRR. But board advertising is HRR.

 

[jrgtml67]

I cant believe the arguing here about hes worth this, no hes worth that. Nothing will change what he really signs. Maybe debate that when the deal is done?

For all of us we should only be worried about the AAV

 

[ACC1224]

NHL.com predicts Marner will out score Matthews yet again.
NHL.COM predicts top 20 scorers for the 2019/2020 season

 

[18leafsfan18]

I cant believe the arguing here about hes worth this, no hes worth that. Nothing will change what he really signs. Maybe debate that when the deal is done?

For all of us we should only be worried about the AAV

No offense but what else do you expect the conversation to be in "Marner Discussion Thread" ?

Agreed we should all just care about AAV.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Eichel is 3% under McDavid and Matthews is better then Eichel.

What percent would you expect ?

But why is Matthews better than Eichel, I guess you could argue potential, but on ice results have been much closer to Eichel than the Hart/Lindsay/Ross seasons that McDavid put up. .5-1% higher than Eichel would be my guess.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Nope. There wasn't a year left. Signed in February of his last ELC year. Literally takes 30 seconds to look up.

Whatever. There wasn't an offer sheet incoming, which removes a lot of the pressure. But sure go on being arrogant about which damn month it was.

 

[4thline]

But why is Matthews better than Eichel,

Time of signing
career goals per game .34 points per game .80
vs.
.5 and .96

There's why, now begone

 

[4thline]

Whatever. There wasn't an offer sheet incoming, which removes a lot of the pressure. But sure go on being arrogant about which damn month it was.

Based on what exactly?

 

[18leafsfan18]

But why is Matthews better than Eichel, I guess you could argue potential, but on ice results have been much closer to Eichel than the Hart/Lindsay/Ross seasons that McDavid put up. .5-1% higher than Eichel would be my guess.

Matthews destroyed Eichel in ELC goals, points, pace etc.

212 Games vs 209 Games

111 Goals vs 73 Goals
205 Points vs 177 Points

Matthews is pretty obviously better then Eichel.

The fact that you are splitting hairs between .5% 1 way or the other shows his contract is pretty damn close to on par with the comparables it looks like they used.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Whatever. There wasn't an offer sheet incoming, which removes a lot of the pressure. But sure go on being arrogant about which damn month it was.

You just blantantly don't know what your saying. Just look up things before blurting them out.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I would rather wait to see what Rantanen gets before signing Marner. I think Sakic will get him signed to a good deal and that will help us get Marner signed to a good deal.

 

[TheProspector]

It's September 5th. Do you know where your offersheet is?

 

[thewave]

They did.



LOL.

The 2-2.5m was overpay, just as described in the next sentence. Use the thinking cap. 3 years meaning bringing it up to 8y 11.6m which would be OK.

 

[al secord]

Only if a few of the deep thinkers here have tickets to the Opener, it's doubtful they do.

I wouldn't put it pass the loud minority. I've sat through boos before which left me scratchinig my head.

I'd put money on it happening at this point.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

[QUOTE="hotpaws, post: 164091229, member: 94078"]I'd take Mathews over Marner by a thin margin but i'd take both over JT .

and if you don't believe AM and Willie aren't overpaid to certain degree's then i'll guarantee you'll believe Marner isn't overpaid regardless of what he signs for once the deal is announced

and we'll see if Dubas holds his ground once camp starts , me thinks he'll cave like he's wont to do but that'll be a discussion at a later date[/QUOTE]


If we are looking at 1 year only not a snowball's chance in h-e double hockey sticks do you take MM over JT, MM is a FANTASTIC hockey player...but JT literally brings his wingers to new levels...every single line JT has centered (aside from his 1 year w/Leafs) was a bonafide gong-show of plugs in Long Island...I'm sorry but if you can make Matt Moulson a 50pt player I will take you every day of the week and twice on sundays...Marner is a great set up man...but by definition a set up man rides shotgun because w/o that finisher all the flash and dash of the set up man is wasted on sub par (for where you play) talent whiffing opportunities (see: Kapanen, Kasperi or Brown, Connor)

JT is the set up man and the finisher, if we are talking one year only I take JT every time

 

[ACC1224]

I wouldn't put it pass the loud minority. I've sat through boos before which left me scratchinig my head.

I'd put money on it happening at this point.

I'll be there, I'll let you know but I don't see why anyone would be upset with him if he doesn't miss any games.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Clayton Keller had 47 points last year

yes but Arizona falls into the Winnipeg or Edmonton category (need to vastly overpay in order for players to stay)

 

[I am Canadian]

Laine, Marner, Rantanen, Werenski, McAvoy, Point

It's been beaten to death - none of these guys have contracts either. Seems this is going to be the route that RFA's take. Stand firm - we still should not be worried

 

[Joey Hoser]

Lets admit the JT signing was the biggest mistake for this organization, not that he is a bad player, but a a good fit at the right time. Thats why we are here in this situation.

What situation? The Leafs have like 10+ million to pay Marner with.

Even if things were tighter and we had to dump Johnsson or Kapanen or someone to make it all fit, we still have Tavares which is way better.

 

[jrgtml67]

What situation? The Leafs have like 10+ million to pay Marner with.

Even if things were tighter and we had to dump Johnsson or Kapanen or someone to make it all fit, we still have Tavares which is way better.

If we see a trade of any roster players that would signify that the next news would be Marner signed. I haven't done the math but Horton and Clarkson will be on LTIR.

I just looked at cap friendly and says we have 0 space, and that have 2.8m on LTIR. So not sure what happens now

 

[Lauro]

NHL.com predicts Marner will out score Matthews yet again.
NHL.COM predicts top 20 scorers for the 2019/2020 season

Anything else would be a big surprise.

 

[Joey Hoser]

If we see a trade of any roster players that would signify that the next news would be Marner signed. I haven't done the math but Horton and Clarkson will be on LTIR.

I just looked at cap friendly and says we have 0 space, and that have 2.8m on LTIR. So not sure what happens now

With Horton and Clarkson on LTIR we have a little over 10 million available for Marner. We have the space to sign Marner, he and his agent are just using the whole summer to negotiate the highest salary possible. There's no problem here at all, never mind a problem so big that it makes signing Tavares a mistake.