Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - 1 week to camp ... nothing

[saffronleaf]

Good luck, 9.5M×3 is my prediction


Why shouldn't he get paid? It's not like the other guys took hometown discounts

He should fight for every cent, the team got themselves into this situation and it's not Marner's job to solve things for them out of the goodness of his heart

Agreed his heart doesn't seem to have much goodness to give

 

[Kiwi]

The LTIR room dictates what is available, right now not Dubas. And if Marner truly does want to win in Toronto, how does forcing the Leafs to possibly trade someone to fit him and his demands in get the Leafs any closer to that goal?

That's not Marner's problem, that's a Leafs management problem
Perhaps they should have budgeted there cap space better

It's both sides job to get an acceptable deal. Marners side will over value themselves, Leafs side will undervalue. It's a negotiation. Not a hostage situation.

Forget Nylander did we? Looked more like a hostage situation to me

Matthews just got 11.6M×5, I don't value Marner as highly as Matthews but if his position is he deserves something close to that he's got an argument

 

[Kiwi]

Agreed his heart doesn't seem to have much goodness to give

Why should It? Call me heartless if you will but when I go into employment negotiations I'm fighting for the best deal possible for myself

I'm not going to hold it against Marner if he behaves the same

 

[kb]

That's not Marner's problem, that's a Leafs management problem
Perhaps they should have budgeted there cap space better

It is when his ask is all out of whack with reality. That's not on Leafs management.

 

[Nineteen67]

Rather than trade him, we could start fresh the next season. No penalty, ground zero all over again.

Or on Nov 22 he signs an OS for 5 mill /1 year and starts fresh with his new team.
What would you get a 1st and 3 rd round pick.

 

[ZippityDooDa]

Yup. You fit in well with a lot of the "fans" here.

I was being cheeky just as you were. There are a lot more factors the Leafs have to deal with than most other teams that will make it much harder for us to win a championship though. Doesn't mean we won't but we're going to have to dig deep. We have a huge opportunity this season and that's why I believe Dubas has hardly any leverage since he can't afford to let Marner sit a year.

Don't give a damn if you jump on trying to discount my fandom of this team though so go ahead, often happens when I'm being completely realistic. Sorry I'm not a blind partisan and also sorry that you apparently are.

 

[kb]

Or on Nov 22 he signs an OS for 5 mill /1 year and starts fresh with his new team.
What would you get a 1st and 3 rd round pick.

Leafs match and say a huge thanks to his idiot agent. His QO becomes $5.5 million.

 

[18leafsfan18]

That's not Marner's problem, that's a Leafs management problem
Perhaps they should have budgeted there cap space better



Forget Nylander did we? Looked more like a hostage situation to me

Matthews just got 11.6M×5, I don't value Marner as highly as Matthews but if his position is he deserves something close to that he's got an argument

You mean the 2 contracts that came in right on their comparables?

Totally remember them.

 

[PromisedLand]

Just getting the NHL news so Keller signed for 7.1 AAV for 8 years with the yotes; that deal is going to look pretty good in a year or two from now;

Dubas f***ing take lessons on how to get your RFAs done a year before they are due for a new contract; hedging against Kessel proping up Keller's stats

I am so f***ing PISSED

 

[18leafsfan18]

I was being cheeky just as you were. There are a lot more factors the Leafs have to deal with than most other teams that will make it much harder for us to win a championship though. Doesn't mean we won't but we're going to have to dig deep. We have a huge opportunity this season and that's why I believe Dubas has hardly any leverage since he can't afford to let Marner sit a year.

Don't give a damn if you jump on trying to discount my fandom of this team though so go ahead, often happens when I'm being completely realistic. Sorry I'm not a blind partisan and also sorry that you apparently are.

I'm partially kidding as well.

Being negative all the time doesn't automatically mean realistic. As much as a lot of people think it does.

Marner has no leverage other than sitting out. But he would still be under leafs control when he comes back, and there is no way his value would go up. Only down.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Just getting the NHL news so Keller signed for 7.1 AAV for 8 years with the yotes; that deal is going to look pretty good in a year or two from now;

Dubas ****ing take lessons on how to get your RFAs done a year before they are due for a new contract; hedging against Kessel proping up Keller's stats

I am so ****ing PISSED

I assume you hate Nylander's deal too ?

 

[PromisedLand]

I assume you hate Nylander's deal too ?

The difference is:

Keller is signed for 8 years
Keller won't be eating meatballs at Ikea in Sweden then come on Dec. 1st; throwing away one year of the contract in the trash

 

[ZippityDooDa]

I'm partially kidding as well.

Being negative all the time doesn't automatically mean realistic. As much as a lot of people think it does.

Marner has no leverage other than sitting out. But he would still be under leafs control when he comes back, and there is no way his value would go up. Only down.

Marner sitting out this year, where we're basically all in gives him all the leverage he needs. We don't have Marner for the year it's basically a wasted season and that Barrie trade is all for nothing, the pressure continues to build, etc.

When was I being negative btw? I am being completely realistic in my judgement of this situation. Not my problem people are hyper-sensitive about the truth and get defensive calling you a disloyal fan and a pessimist because they can't handle it.

Keep having those hopes up in the clouds and you're going to be let down a lot.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The difference is:

Keller is signed for 8 years
Keller won't be eating meatballs at Ikea in Sweden then come on Dec. 1st; throwing away one year of the contract in the trash

I'd add I believe at the time career pt/game for Nylander was like .72 and Keller is .68 right now I believe. So 8 years at 7.15M or 5.5 yrs at 6.9M

 

[nuck]

That's not Marner's problem, that's a Leafs management problem
Perhaps they should have budgeted there cap space better



Forget Nylander did we? Looked more like a hostage situation to me

Matthews just got 11.6M×5, I don't value Marner as highly as Matthews but if his position is he deserves something close to that he's got an argument

It is his problem. Only him and his dad think he has Matthews upside. One guy being overpaid doesn't entitle the rest of the club to the same stupidity when the cap space isn't there. When there is no money there is no money. Being the last guy to sign has risks and here they are.

Matthews was at a 98 pt pace playing with rookie wingers when he signed. That was the criteria. That was his leverage. Could go north, could go south but thats where he was on contract day. Marner scored 94 pts playing with an all star. He wasn't being carried but those are still not remotely similar accomplishments and how Matthews season finished is irrelevant because he was payed based on what he had shown on the day they handed him the pen.

Dubas' clear terror at exposing AM to the offer sheet market doesn't somehow translate to Mitch, and the assumption that the money has to as well makes no sense. He is an excellent player but if he needs more than $10m I am absolutely fine with him earning it somewhere else. As a long term Leaf fan I watched Sittler and Sundin and Gilmour carry the club, and not once did I wish they would replace any of them with a 28g winger. I really hope they get MM in a bridge deal and he can prove his point. I believe he can do a lot more than he has shown so far, I just won't assume it will happen. Nick Backstrom below starting with his breakout season.

 

[Confucius]

Or on Nov 22 he signs an OS for 5 mill /1 year and starts fresh with his new team.
What would you get a 1st and 3 rd round pick.

id match, and send a Christmas card every year to the team that got him to sign that

 

[kb]

Marner sitting out this year, where we're basically all in gives him all the leverage he needs. We don't have Marner for the year it's basically a wasted season and that Barrie trade is all for nothing, the pressure continues to build, etc.

When was I being negative btw? I am being completely realistic in my judgement of this situation. Not my problem people are hyper-sensitive about the truth and get defensive calling you a disloyal fan and a pessimist because they can't handle it.

Keep having those hopes up in the clouds and you're going to be let down a lot.

Here's the thing. I just don't feel that Marner sitting out will impact the team all that much. He needs finishers so he can get points, but Tavares will make anyone on his line better.

Just my opinion.

 

[Nineteen67]

Leafs match and say a huge thanks to his idiot agent. His QO becomes $5.5 million.

Under the scenario the poster would leave the Leafs have no cap space to match.

 

[Nineteen67]

id match, and send a Christmas card every year to the team that got him to sign that

You’re out of cap space.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'd add I believe at the time career pt/game for Nylander was like .72 and Keller is .68 right now I believe. So 8 years at 7.15M or 5.5 yrs at 6.9M

Context also matters man. Keller has no one to play with him on that team; yotes were smart enough to lock him for 8 years before Kessel effect shows up on his stats.

Yotes did not finish that far from the playoff spot last season either. 8 year term gives a lot of flexibility to the yotes assuming they are able to spend money.

marner and matthews should have been done last summer. they could have given both marner and nylander identical contracts for 8AAV for 8 years and get the deal done.

I am just so effing pissed with the lack of foresight and the stupidity from the leafs front office especially dubas

 

[kb]

Under the scenario the poster would leave the Leafs have no cap space to match.

The LTIR room doesn't disappear, it just diminishes as the days go on.

 

[18leafsfan18]

The difference is:

Keller is signed for 8 years
Keller won't be eating meatballs at Ikea in Sweden then come on Dec. 1st; throwing away one year of the contract in the trash

Nylander is a better player signed to a lower cap hit, but let's not talk about that.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

The difference is:

Keller is signed for 8 years
Keller won't be eating meatballs at Ikea in Sweden then come on Dec. 1st; throwing away one year of the contract in the trash

Meatballs? In Sweden? What kinda meatballs? Ha

 

[PromisedLand]

Meatballs? In Sweden? What kinda meatballs? Ha

Swedish meatballs

they are pretty good though

 

[PromisedLand]

Nylander is a better player signed to a lower cap hit, but let's not talk about that.

"better" is without context. Put Keller with Matthews and then you will have apples to apples comparison; throwing out the word "better" without context is not useful