Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - 1 week to camp ... nothing

[Shayne Corsi]

What a shame to spill all of this digital ink on a more or less opaque state of affairs that, if we're honest about the broad strokes, looks like it's going to end badly.

 

[jrgtml67]

It's near because if it drags past October 15 the leafs will be forced to trade him as they couldn't fit him under the cap.

Is it even October lol I said I feel like itll be done soon. Between now and a week or 2 left of camp that's not october

 

[18leafsfan18]

10.5 x 7 or 10 x 6 is my guess.

Overpay, but an overpay the team can live with.

I think he signs before training camp.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Or if we go by @Throw More Waffles system of points in the year they signed.

Then marner is now worth 14.3 x 8. So anything less will be an underpayment and at least we don’t have to read incessant pages of whining

I fully agree that Marner should be paid as a proven 26 goal/94 point player.

Given that a proven 40 goal/100 point player signed for 9.5x8 starting THIS season, 7 ufa years.... yeah....

 

[saffronleaf]

Why is Mitch so greedy? He's on some Scrooge duck tip

 

[ULF_55]

So you missed where Dubas said they've not taken offers or explored trades. That hes optimistic itll be done in a couple days or weeks

I wouldn't expect him to say anything else.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Is it even October lol I said I feel like itll be done soon. Between now and a week or 2 left of camp that's not october

It's up to Marner whether he wants to miss training camp but somehow I don't think his agent cares about his fitness level. If Ferris is in charge he misses training camp.

 

[Kiwi]

10.5 x 7 or 10 x 6 is my guess.

Overpay, but an overpay the team can live with.

I think he signs before training camp.

Good luck, 9.5M×3 is my prediction

Why is Mitch so greedy? He's on some Scrooge duck tip

Why shouldn't he get paid? It's not like the other guys took hometown discounts

He should fight for every cent, the team got themselves into this situation and it's not Marner's job to solve things for them out of the goodness of his heart

 

[ZippityDooDa]

You have posted nothing but what might happen in the future.

If you know all those future things, why wouldn't you know everything else ?

Maybe I do? Muhaha

 

[kb]

Good luck, 9.5M×3 is my prediction


Why shouldn't he get paid? It's not like the other guys took hometown discounts

He should fight for every cent, the team got themselves into this situation and it's not Marner's job to solve things for them out of the goodness of his heart

The first 2 were paid along the lines of historical comparables. Marner is asking for much more than any comparable.

He just has to play ball.

 

[Kiwi]

The first 2 were paid along the lines of historical comparables. Marner is asking for much more than any comparable.

He just has to play ball.

No, he has to get the best deal possible for himself
It's Leafs management's job to get him to eat something acceptable

 

[Nineteen67]

He would have zero leverage if I was GM.

It would be take this or go to Europe. No way Marner kisses his NHL career off. It's a game of chicken I'd gladly bet on.

What would you do with the cap space allocated to Marner?

 

[Dekes For Days]

How do you suggest making an adjustment to a 4-year contract to make it comparable to a 3-year contract?

You would probably look at how other comparable player's values are adjusted for term, and then apply that to this situation. I didn't say there was a perfect answer. But using Kucherov's contract as the comparable is definitely not the answer.

So don't try to turn an orange into an apple.

That's what you're doing. You complain about adjusting for term, but even aside from the unique circumstances /weird valuation of the Kucherov contract, how are you adjusting for the massive difference between Kucherov and Marner?

Kucherov's contract is similar to other 3-year bridge contracts signed by Mark Stone, Claude Giroux and Tyler Johnson. All three players had 0.70-0.74 ppgs during their ELC's and signed for between 4.8-6.5% of the cap on their second deals.

Huh?

At time of signing:

Johnson - 0.58
Giroux - 0.62

Truth is, none of the 3-year contracts we have make much sense, and there are so few of them, and none of them apply to a player of Marner's caliber.

 

[Confucius]

Which is probably why you aren’t the gm of a billion dollar franchise

I'd be correct, he cant leave that's just the way it is.

 

[Confucius]

It's near because if it drags past October 15 the leafs will be forced to trade him as they couldn't fit him under the cap.

Rather than trade him, we could start fresh the next season. No penalty, ground zero all over again.

 

[kb]

No, he has to get the best deal possible for himself
It's Leafs management's job to get him to eat something acceptable

Best deal agreed. But it has to make sense on some level. What he is asking for doesn't. 10x6 is more than Kane's second contract. That should be his ceiling. Especially since Kane didn't play with a Tavares.

 

[Kiwi]

Best deal agreed. But it has to make sense on some level. What he is asking for doesn't. 10x6 is more than Kane's second contract. That should be his ceiling. Especially since Kane didn't play with a Tavares.

Then it's up to Leafs management to force him to back down and take something more in line with what they are thinking, they also have some leverage but it's up to them to use it

That's not Marner's job, that's just to get the best deal possible

This is on Dubas, he needs to show he's willing to hold the line before Marner will be more inclined towards his position, so hold the line

 

[18leafsfan18]

Good luck, 9.5M×3 is my prediction


Why shouldn't he get paid? It's not like the other guys took hometown discounts

He should fight for every cent, the team got themselves into this situation and it's not Marner's job to solve things for them out of the goodness of his heart

Good luck to yourself as well.... I guess

 

[kb]

Then it's up to Leafs management to force him to back down and take something more in line with what they are thinking, they also have some leverage but it's up to them to use it

That's not Marner's job, that's just to get the best deal possible

This is on Dubas, he needs to show he's willing to hold the line before Marner will be more inclined towards his position, so hold the line

The LTIR room dictates what is available, right now not Dubas. And if Marner truly does want to win in Toronto, how does forcing the Leafs to possibly trade someone to fit him and his demands in get the Leafs any closer to that goal?

 

[18leafsfan18]

No, he has to get the best deal possible for himself
It's Leafs management's job to get him to eat something acceptable

It's both sides job to get an acceptable deal. Marners side will over value themselves, Leafs side will undervalue. It's a negotiation. Not a hostage situation.

 

[Leafs87]

I’d set a deadline of training camp for Marner. Letting it drag like the Willy situation again won’t end well. It’ll likely be a desperation overpay and Mitch will be in summer form while the rest of the league is season ready. I hope Dubas learned from the past.

As others have pointed out too at one point during the season we can no longer afford him anyways because of the adjusted cap

 

[ZippityDooDa]

Rather than trade him, we could start fresh the next season. No penalty, ground zero all over again.

Risk wasting your best chance at a cup which is arguably this season?

 

[18leafsfan18]

Maybe I do? Muhaha

When are the Leafs winning the cup ?

 

[ZippityDooDa]

When are the Leafs winning the cup ?

Never..lmao

 

[18leafsfan18]

Never..lmao

Yup. You fit in well with a lot of the "fans" here.