Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - 1 week to camp ... nothing

[DarkKnight]

Even if you accept the overpays and apply them to Marner it doesn't match some of the rumoured asks. Nylander at 300-500k high and Matthews at 600k-1m high is 5.5-7.5% premiums.

Based on Kane as a comparable at 9 x 5, give him the same premium and that's 9.675 - not Matthews money.

You’re leaving out term, it’s not just dollars.

 

[jrgtml67]

LeBrun: Might not be a team working harder to resign its RFA than Toronto with Marner

Pierre LeBrun joins Leafs Lunch to discuss the latest on the negotiations with some of the notable RFAs, and how Toronto’s situation with Mitch Marner compares with Colorado’s attempt to re-sign Mikko Rantanen.

What was said

 

[DarkKnight]

So if they traded him would his demand come down based on team comparables on another team? I'm sorry I don't buy this

The ship has sailed, that’s kind of a silly argument. Any team trading for him will know darn well his ask and the trade would be predicated on their acknowledging they’ll pay him.

 

[kb]

The numbers talked about are all over pays, it’s just a question of mild or massive. We’ve already been sanitized to accept a high number as reasonable.

Just because you keep saying they are overpays doesn't make them so. Dozens have provided proof that they are in the historical range of their comparables. What they definitely aren't is team friendly.

There is a difference.

 

[jrgtml67]

The ship has sailed, that’s kind of a silly argument. Any team trading for him will know darn well his ask and the trade would be predicated on their acknowledging they’ll pay him.

The leafs aren't trading him lol didn't anyone learn from the Nylander saga. Dubas' interview is tough to read, sounds like there's multiple offers but there is a slight gap with each

 

[DarkKnight]

The leafs aren't trading him lol didn't anyone learn from the Nylander saga. Dubas' interview is tough to read, sounds like there's multiple offers but there is a slight gap with each

Agree, he isn’t getting traded. I just responded to the hypothetical.

 

[DarkKnight]

Just because you keep saying they are overpays doesn't make them so. Dozens have provided proof that they are in the historical range of their comparables. What they aren't is team friendly.

There is a difference.

Lol, the whole league gasped at both contracts. Just me, good lord. Matthews is going to free agency at 26 freaking years old on that contract, come on dude.

 

[4thline]

You’re leaving out term, it’s not just dollars.

Nope, Willy should have been ~6.5ish x 6, AM in the 10.5 - 11 range x 5.

 

[kb]

Lol, the whole league gasped at both contracts. Just me, good lord. Matthews is going to free agency at 26 freaking years old on that contract, come on dude.

And the math doesn't support that. Look, I don't like any of the numbers either, but it's a far cry from saying they are terrible overpays.

Their contracts aren't preventing the Leafs from doing anything, that is what seems to be entirely forgotten in all this.

 

[jrgtml67]

Agree, he isn’t getting traded. I just responded to the hypothetical.

Oh I was replying to the poster you were

 

[jrgtml67]

What did Lebrun say on leafs lunch

 

[ULF_55]

The ship has sailed, that’s kind of a silly argument. Any team trading for him will know darn well his ask and the trade would be predicated on their acknowledging they’ll pay him.

Yep, and really depends on the team.

Some teams could wait a year if he wanted to sit out as they might be bottom feeders without a hope in hades of winning anything, and having another year to help in a rebuild might not matter to them.

Other teams might be looking at an aging core and want to ensure every remaining year is a go for it year.

 

[1specter]

Darren Ferris be like "Keller 47 pts, Marner 94 pts, therefore Marner 14M AAV"

 

[ShaneFalco]

We’re so screwed. Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Muzzin, Barrie, Rielly, Kap, AJ, Andersen.... Dubas has destroyed the team !

 

[ULF_55]

The leafs aren't trading him lol didn't anyone learn from the Nylander saga. Dubas' interview is tough to read, sounds like there's multiple offers but there is a slight gap with each

Dubas said Nylander wanted a long term deal to stay in Toronto.

If paul says he wants out everything changes.

 

[jrgtml67]

Dubas said Nylander wanted a long term deal to stay in Toronto.

If paul says he wants out everything changes.

Lol wow. Dubas meant Nylander was dead set on ONLY LT whereas Marner camp they have a couple options..obviously meaning bridge to mid to LT

 

[ULF_55]

Lol wow. Dubas meant Nylander was dead set on ONLY LT whereas Marner camp they have a couple options..obviously meaning bridge to mid to LT

Doesn't change anything.

One of the parties could decide the relationship isn't acceptable.

If you feel you are being disrespected you should move on.

 

[jrgtml67]

Doesn't change anything.

One of the parties could decide the relationship isn't acceptable.

If you feel you are being disrespected you should move on.

So you missed where Dubas said they've not taken offers or explored trades. That hes optimistic itll be done in a couple days or weeks

 

[mouser]

Keller got 7.5 over 8yrs...that kind of messes things up. Hard to say what to think about Dubas and his Tim and Sid interview.

Basically the Yotes are taking the route now that the Leafs in hindsight would have been better off doing with Marner last year. Overpay a bit with a year remaining on the ELC, betting on the player. I don't think many will be surprised if Keller puts up 70+ this season on a line with Kessel. Toronto should have expected some bump from Marner with Tavares last year, though I doubt they expected quite as much, and signing Nylander could have complicated things as well.

 

[jrgtml67]

Basically the Yotes are taking the route now that the Leafs in hindsight would have been better off doing with Marner last year. Overpay a bit with a year remaining on the ELC, betting on the player. I don't think many will be surprised if Keller puts up 70+ this season on a line with Kessel. Toronto should have expected some bump from Marner with Tavares last year, though I doubt they expected quite as much, and signing Nylander could have complicated things as well.

They tried to. And as soon as the season started Marners camp didn't want to negotiate during the year. Thanks William..because I feel if Dubas knew Nylander and AMs hard cap then he would've signed Mitch to that 8.25 or 8.5m rumored ask

 

[realgoodleafs]

Clayton Keller had 47 points last year

He was the highest scorer on the team though. He could have easily gotten way more points if he played for the Leafs.

 

[kb]

So you missed where Dubas said they've not taken offers or explored trades. That hes optimistic itll be done in a couple days or weeks

Haven't vs won't. Big difference there.

 

[jrgtml67]

So no one knows what Lebrun said on leafs lunch? Someone posted saying he said leafs are working the hardest to get Marner done..outside Sakic vs Raatenen

 

[ZippityDooDa]

I think I disagree with absolutely everything you said here.



Barrie or Muzzin will be resigned and the promotion of Sandin and Lily makes next year's team and the team going forward basically as good (Depending on how they progress).



Not sure he will get the deal he wants, likely a compromise from both sides.



Leafs have all the leverage. Marner can only lean on not playing this year, which would if anything diminish his value for the season he comes back.

You guys think the Leafs have all the leverage yet Marner is going to get way more than he should because Dubas will not let him sit out this very important season. If the cost is too much he'll be traded.

Either way it forces Dubas to do something he doesn't want to do. Marner will never get paid less than 10mil (unless they bridge) per year with us and you think that means the Leafs ever had leverage? Just you wait.

This is the Nylander debacle on steroids. Worse because his numbers were inflated so much playing on the 1st line w/ Tavares, the Matthews contract and the fact that they might never have a better lineup than this coming season, so they're all in and wouldn't dare let Marner sit.

Trading him would be just as bad as giving into his demands. In no scenario does management come out of this unscathed. Leverage is all in Marner's camp.

 

[jrgtml67]

Haven't vs won't. Big difference there.

Lol ok that only happens if they are that far apart. I feel the leafs rather LT but because Marner wants a similar AAV to AM that's the big gap and why a bridge seems more likely