Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Notsince67]

He's sucked in all 10 close out games he had the chance to make a difference in. He's sucked in both of his first round two games. I think he is pretty deserving of a non playoff performer title. Who cares about a bunch of rd1 pp points and g2 that he padded.

The guys just firing pp shots in or some weak bs. He is part of the 3 man "elite core" and he just tries to dance on the ice and make dangerous passes. Whatever, can do without that in rd2

It's not looking good for Mitch. I think he should skip the fortnite and grow a set.

I think the biggest problem is that you don't have a clue what you are looking at.
The goats were Gio and Lily.
Teams numbers were awesome but guys like YOU want to lay everything at the feet of a player you hate. Time and time again, you slam this kid. Both you and @saffronleaf are known Willy romantics who just cant stand that the object of your obsession takes a back seat to Marner. You take every opportunity to slam the kid.
It is so cringe worthy.

if you believe Willy played well (in total i believe he did), then spit out what he accomplished.on the ice this game that was so much better than Marner. Lets see the deep contrast.
bottom line...team suffered from a couple of defensive mistakes and a hot goalie. Your lurk-trolling doesn't change that

This is why I hate analytics.
I prefer to watch the game with my own eyes. Yes, Marner did have a few shots, but most of the time he's dancing around the outside. Florida is giving him the outside and he's not doing anything with it. For much Toronto controlled play at times, I expected better of him. The cross ice pass isn't always there, and when it's not, he seems completely ineffective

The games loss was not at his feet. His game wasn't perfect but he generated tons. One defensive pair and a hot goalie killed this team.
37 shots should be sufficient.

 

[thewave]

I think the biggest problem is that you don't have a clue what you are looking at.
The goats were Gio and Lily.
Teams numbers were awesome but guys like YOU want to lay everything at the feet of a player you hate. Time and time again, you slam this kid. Both you and @saffronleaf are known Willy romantics who just cant stand that the object of your obsession takes a back seat to Marner. You take every opportunity to slam the kid.
It is so cringe worthy.

if you believe Willy played well (in total i believe he did), then spit out what he accomplished.on the ice this game that was so much better than Marner. Lets see the deep contrast.
bottom line...team suffered from a couple of defensive mistakes and a hot goalie. Your lurk-trolling doesn't change that

The games loss was not at his feet. His game wasn't perfect but he generated tons. One defensive pair and a hot goalie killed this team.
37 shots should be sufficient.

Mitch Marner has not elevated his game or performed in pressure situations. That isn't saying he is a bad player, it's not even diminishing him and saying he is just a good player. I am saying when it matters most, for the cost, I would rather have Nylander and a ROR.

He's overpaid, anyone giving him an increase has rocks in their head because he is a playoff fader.

Nylander 26pts in 27 games the last 4 POs (12 Goals)
Marner 28pts in 27 games (4 Goals)

Is that worth just a bit under double the money? And he is being dished premium PP minutes as well. Sorry, no real debate to be had. Bad value proposition for what you get when it matters most. Too soft.

 

[ToneDog]

Mitch Marner has not elevated his game or performed in pressure situations. That isn't saying he is a bad player, it's not even diminishing him and saying he is just a good player. I am saying when it matters most, for the cost, I would rather have Nylander and a ROR.

He's overpaid, anyone giving him an increase has rocks in their head because he is a playoff fader.

Nylander 26pts in 27 games the last 4 POs (12 Goals)
Marner 28pts in 27 games (4 Goals)

Is that worth just a bit under double the money? And he is being dished premium PP minutes as well. Sorry, no real debate to be had. Bad value proposition for what you get when it matters most. Too soft.

How much more sample size does one need to see that this core cannot get it done ?

 

[thewave]

How much more sample size does one need to see that this core cannot get it done ?

No more sample size. It's settled if we lose this series, and that's statistically at about 90% probability I think.

Oh well.

 

[Notsince67]

Mitch Marner has not elevated his game or performed in pressure situations. That isn't saying he is a bad player, it's not even diminishing him and saying he is just a good player. I am saying when it matters most, for the cost, I would rather have Nylander and a ROR.

He's overpaid, anyone giving him an increase has rocks in their head because he is a playoff fader.

Nylander 26pts in 27 games the last 4 POs (12 Goals)
Marner 28pts in 27 games (4 Goals)

Is that worth just a bit under double the money? And he is being dished premium PP minutes as well. Sorry, no real debate to be had. Bad value proposition for what you get when it matters most. Too soft.

Yeah. This kind of reasoning will win you all the arguments. Name one idiot coach in the nhl (there are a few) that would choose Nylander over Marner. 4 consecutive games without a point and a -5 during the playoffs despite being deployed primarily on a more sheltered line. All this with a 74.4% offensive zone start.

 

[thewave]

Yeah. This kind of reasoning will win you all the arguments. Name one idiot coach in the nhl (there are a few) that would choose Nylander over Marner. 4 consecutive games without a point and a -5 during the playoffs despite being deployed primarily on a more sheltered line. All this with a 74.4% offensive zone start.

Any one of them with a brain would put him on the PP for instance. Marner does not score goals and is essentially statistically the same in PO for point production over 4 years. Before he padded previous game 2 he was statistically less productive.

We needed a goal and we rode MM on the PP which didn't produce. It's honestly black and white here. It's not even reasoning. It's factual.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Mitch Marner has not elevated his game or performed in pressure situations. That isn't saying he is a bad player, it's not even diminishing him and saying he is just a good player. I am saying when it matters most, for the cost, I would rather have Nylander and a ROR.

He's overpaid, anyone giving him an increase has rocks in their head because he is a playoff fader.

Nylander 26pts in 27 games the last 4 POs (12 Goals)
Marner 28pts in 27 games (4 Goals)

Is that worth just a bit under double the money? And he is being dished premium PP minutes as well. Sorry, no real debate to be had. Bad value proposition for what you get when it matters most. Too soft.

Now lets look at their defense and zone starts.

 

[thewave]

Now lets look at their defense and zone starts.

I can give you the eye test to answer this quick. MM errant pass lead to us losing the game. MM errant passes have been prevalent in high stakes games and he is becoming slower as a player and more shy as he gets older.

We've been out played this entire PO season with this core. He does not score goals. It's not hard to see what we need to do because Matthews scores on his own, Nylander scores on whatever line. MM just doesn't do that so when you need a goal. You don't need Mitch Marner to make dangerous passes to win.

Unless they beat the 13% odds moneypuck has on them winning this series, this core is over.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I can give you the eye test to answer this quick. MM errant pass lead to us losing the game. MM errant passes have been prevalent in high stakes games and he is becoming slower as a player and more shy as he gets older.

We've been out played this entire PO season with this core. He does not score goals. It's not hard to see what we need to do because Matthews scores on his own, Nylander scores on whatever line. MM just doesn't do that so when you need a goal. You don't need Mitch Marner to make dangerous passes to win.

Unless they beat the 13% odds moneypuck has on them winning this series, this core is over.

In no world is Nylander anywhere close to Marner defensively. Lets be real.

 

[Notsince67]

Any one of them with a brain would put him on the PP for instance. Marner does not score goals and is essentially statistically the same in PO for point production over 4 years. Before he padded previous game 2 he was statistically less productive.

We needed a goal and we rode MM on the PP which didn't produce. It's honestly black and white here. It's not even reasoning. It's factual.

Awaiting the first team all star nomination for Willy then. The 1 shot he got off on the PP all game was impactful

 

[thewave]

In no world is Nylander anywhere close to Marner defensively. Lets be real.

You introduced that. I never claimed he was great defensively. He's not bad though and for the money you could basically have ROR and Nylander vs Mitch. Sorry taking the combo over Mitcho.

Awaiting the first team all star nomination for Willy then. The 1 shot he got off on the PP all game was impactful

Awaiting a game winning goal in game 7 or other. Don't care about All Stars. Playoff wins please, playoff goals please. Series wins please. Fancy passes and All Star games mean jack.

 

[BraveCanadian]

You introduced that. I never claimed he was great defensively. He's not bad though and for the money you could basically have ROR and Nylander vs Mitch. Sorry taking the combo over Mitcho.

Yes, I introduced that because it is obvious that Marner is a far superior player if their offense is close to the same AND Marner actually knows where his end of the rink is and is on the PK.

You're also wrong that you could have ROR (7.5 cap hit) and Nylander (6.9 cap hit) for Marner (10.9) money.. so back to reality any time? Or are we sticking with the hyperbole?

 

[DarkKnight]

Whatever legit criticisms always get lost in a tidal wave of stupidity and ancient biases.

 

[thewave]

Yes, I introduced that because it is obvious that Marner is a far superior player if their offense is close to the same AND Marner actually knows where his end of the rink is and is on the PK.

You're also wrong that you could have ROR (7.5 cap hit) and Nylander (6.9 cap hit) for Marner (10.9) money.. so back to reality any time? Or are we sticking with the hyperbole?

You can find a few million for someone like ROR. Look he is a playoff flop for the money, he's too slow and soft for POs. It's pretty obvious its time to move on and restructure the team.

 

[BraveCanadian]

You can find a few million for someone like ROR. Look he is a playoff flop for the money, he's too slow and soft for POs. It's pretty obvious its time to move on and restructure the team.

*hand waving*

 

[saffronleaf]

load carried by marner last night was massive, viscous, sticky

 

[DarkKnight]

Oh, and childish.

 

[Notsince67]

You introduced that. I never claimed he was great defensively. He's not bad though and for the money you could basically have ROR and Nylander vs Mitch. Sorry taking the combo over Mitcho.



Awaiting a game winning goal in game 7 or other. Don't care about All Stars. Playoff wins please, playoff goals please. Series wins please. Fancy passes and All Star games mean jack.

Nylander is well below league average defensively.
Bottom 16% of the league

 

[Jojalu]

I think the biggest problem is that you don't have a clue what you are looking at.
The goats were Gio and Lily.
Teams numbers were awesome but guys like YOU want to lay everything at the feet of a player you hate. Time and time again, you slam this kid. Both you and @saffronleaf are known Willy romantics who just cant stand that the object of your obsession takes a back seat to Marner. You take every opportunity to slam the kid.
It is so cringe worthy.

if you believe Willy played well (in total i believe he did), then spit out what he accomplished.on the ice this game that was so much better than Marner. Lets see the deep contrast.
bottom line...team suffered from a couple of defensive mistakes and a hot goalie. Your lurk-trolling doesn't change that.

Game 1 Willy ended up with the better xGf and looked better. Marner on for a couple,, possibly responsible for the 4th goal.

Last night although Willy had some looks, Marner was all around much better.

Fact is the Leafs need more out of both of them.

A lot more.

 

[Notsince67]

Game 1 Willy ended up with the better xGf and looked better. Marner on for a couple,, possibly responsible for the 4th goal.

Last night although Willy had some looks, Marner was all around much better.

Fact is the Leafs need more out of both of them.

A lot more.

Sure. I can buy that. I am merely disputing from known Marner haters claims that Manrer was at fault. @saffronleaf and @thewave want to sell this crap. Here is a melt down of interest that they might of forgotten

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14 seconds · Clipped by Paul · Original video "NHL Game 2 Highlights | Panthers vs. Maple Leafs - May 4, 2023" by SPORTSNET

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[IPS]

Warranted criticism from last night IMO. Mitch looked super dangerous in the first few minutes of the game but became unnoticeable as the game went on. In the Leafs big push in the 3rd it looked like Willy and Matthews leading the charge for most of it.

 

[Yall are crazy]

Lol you losers, when he does good you disappear but when he's off you come back here on thus appreciation thread like it's the last day to post on it. You're calling yourselves out

 

[sunstersun]

Sure. I can buy that. I am merely disputing from known Marner haters claims that Manrer was at fault. @saffronleaf and @thewave want to sell this crap. Here is a melt down of interest that they might of forgotten

âï¸ 2nd goal

14 seconds · Clipped by Paul · Original video "NHL Game 2 Highlights | Panthers vs. Maple Leafs - May 4, 2023" by SPORTSNET

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Marner deserves 99 % blame on the game winning goal.

Holy crap he acts like an 8 year old scared of the puck. Carry it out of the zone or chip it out. Instead he does a shitty pass to Matthews lmao.

 

[1specter]

Both him and Nylander need to be better, point blank. You can't be 30 and 40 goal scorers combining for only 2 goals in 8 games. I don't give a f*** about this stupid debate of who's better, they both need to GET IT f***ING DONE. That's it.

 

[sunstersun]

Both him and Nylander need to be better, point blank. You can't be 30 and 40 goal scorers combining for only 2 goals in 8 games. I don't give a f*** about this stupid debate of who's better, they both need to GET IT f***ING DONE. That's it.

Nylander has been the best player in the playoffs in the last 6 years.

Marner has been.