Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[thewave]

Such a steaming bs post from you man, he hasn’t made any hot dog passes since the first game, he’s been very controlled and hasn’t given up the puck at ALL. It‘s even more remarkable when you consider his ice time, for instance he played double the ice time of Willie last game. And as pointed out he‘s getting primary points, not to mention leading 5v5. Factor in his defensive play and I’m left to conclude you’re just a never ending belly aching poster. Be better.

It's not trolling when it's true.

Add: It doesn't matter to me who Keefe (Awful coach) plays more, Nylander could play 3 mins or 30 and it will end up resulting in our team getting outplayed the majority of the game. We can see that in action if you watch the game again. Most of Game threads are great big WTF are these guys doing out there.

We are being outplayed nightly at this point. The fact we are winning is certainly a testament to the scoring prowess of this stacked team. Marner and Matthews have been able to turn it on 5-10mins every night and outscore the teams obvious problems.

If you fail to recognize that we are getting dominated and winning, not dominating and winning is not my issue. We have major issues with how we are playing, not winning and getting a few goals quick. I was right about all this stuff at the start of Ron Wilson / Burke era. Carlyle era and btw Lou / Babcock was on the right track. Dubas has been a waste of time, called that too. I will be right again here as well, there is no way we can continue to play this brand of hockey deep in the playoffs FACT.

I've been around long enough to know when a team does this, luck runs out. Vas has let in so many stinkers it's not even funny, Boston will not give us any quarter and the rope a dope will surely hang us in short order.

 

[Notsince67]

It's not trolling when it's true.

Add: It doesn't matter to me who Keefe (Awful coach) plays more, Nylander could play 3 mins or 30 and it will end up resulting in our team getting outplayed the majority of the game. We can see that in action if you watch the game again. Most of Game threads are great big WTF are these guys doing out there.

We are being outplayed nightly at this point. The fact we are winning is certainly a testament to the scoring prowess of this stacked team. Marner and Matthews have been able to turn it on 5-10mins every night and outscore the teams obvious problems.

If you fail to recognize that we are getting dominated and winning, not dominating and winning is not my issue. We have major issues with how we are playing, not winning and getting a few goals quick. I was right about all this stuff at the start of Ron Wilson / Burke era. Carlyle era and btw Lou / Babcock was on the right track. Dubas has been a waste of time, called that too. I will be right again here as well, there is no way we can continue to play this brand of hockey deep in the playoffs FACT.

I've been around long enough to know when a team does this, luck runs out. Vas has let in so many stinkers it's not even funny, Boston will not give us any quarter and the rope a dope will surely hang us in short order.

Stinkers? I'm grateful Sammy didn't have to try to stop those greasy goals.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's not trolling when it's true.

But it's not true.
Leafs are up 3-1 in the series, have scored more goals, and generated more expected goals, while receiving garbage officiating and having players suspended.
And even when the Leafs aren't playing their greatest, Marner is usually one of the few still winning his matchup, and dragging the team back into games.

 

[thewave]

Stinkers? I'm grateful Sammy didn't have to try to stop those greasy goals.

It's abnormal for a team of TB caliber to collapse 3 games in a single series. G2 G3 G4 were all collapses, much like we did with Boston in the past. Based off what you see in this series, do you think our core is going to raise the bar to that of the level of Boston or exceed them?

I can tell you right now, based off what I see the we're still mining the W' but the canary is dead on the ground if you get what I mean.

 

[DarkKnight]

It's not trolling when it's true.

Add: It doesn't matter to me who Keefe (Awful coach) plays more, Nylander could play 3 mins or 30 and it will end up resulting in our team getting outplayed the majority of the game. We can see that in action if you watch the game again. Most of Game threads are great big WTF are these guys doing out there.

We are being outplayed nightly at this point. The fact we are winning is certainly a testament to the scoring prowess of this stacked team. Marner and Matthews have been able to turn it on 5-10mins every night and outscore the teams obvious problems.

If you fail to recognize that we are getting dominated and winning, not dominating and winning is not my issue. We have major issues with how we are playing, not winning and getting a few goals quick. I was right about all this stuff at the start of Ron Wilson / Burke era. Carlyle era and btw Lou / Babcock was on the right track. Dubas has been a waste of time, called that too. I will be right again here as well, there is no way we can continue to play this brand of hockey deep in the playoffs FACT.

I've been around long enough to know when a team does this, luck runs out. Vas has let in so many stinkers it's not even funny, Boston will not give us any quarter and the rope a dope will surely hang us in short order.

Nice dodge, I was talking about your garbage Marner comments. Find another target, you obviously aren’t really watching his game.

 

[thewave]

But it's not true.
Leafs are up 3-1 in the series, have scored more goals, and generated more expected goals, while receiving garbage officiating and having players suspended.
And even when the Leafs aren't playing their greatest, Marner is usually one of the few still winning his matchup.

The comebacks they have mounted (two in a row) are statistically improbable. Winning a cup while being outplayed the majority of your series, next to impossible. Boston is a stronger team than TB and the rest is just common sense and logic.

Need to play better /60. No questions, jokes over after the next win.

Nice dodge, I was talking about your garbage Marner comments.

I am invested in the truth. Read the GDTs and see how many wth are they doings you see, Marner needs to pick it up, Mathews isn't doing squat. It's constant simply because they are being outplayed now 3 games to 1. The end result has been favorable though statistically improbable.

I hope they shore that up and put some energy back in there game/60. They need it against Boston (not that that is a forgone conclusion at this point)

Add: Any coach worth a grain is not happy about the past two games. Happy with the win sure, the ability to push back as well, but they need to start controlling games.

 

[Zybalto]

It's not trolling when it's true.

Add: It doesn't matter to me who Keefe (Awful coach) plays more, Nylander could play 3 mins or 30 and it will end up resulting in our team getting outplayed the majority of the game. We can see that in action if you watch the game again. Most of Game threads are great big WTF are these guys doing out there.

We are being outplayed nightly at this point. The fact we are winning is certainly a testament to the scoring prowess of this stacked team. Marner and Matthews have been able to turn it on 5-10mins every night and outscore the teams obvious problems.

If you fail to recognize that we are getting dominated and winning, not dominating and winning is not my issue. We have major issues with how we are playing, not winning and getting a few goals quick. I was right about all this stuff at the start of Ron Wilson / Burke era. Carlyle era and btw Lou / Babcock was on the right track. Dubas has been a waste of time, called that too. I will be right again here as well, there is no way we can continue to play this brand of hockey deep in the playoffs FACT.

I've been around long enough to know when a team does this, luck runs out. Vas has let in so many stinkers it's not even funny, Boston will not give us any quarter and the rope a dope will surely hang us in short order.

We're looking at two of the best home ice teams in the league right?

In game one we outplayed them 5v5 but got hit for 8 penalties including some horrifically bad calls (gotta call those stick checks Wes) and everyone agreed Sammy was brutal in that game. Also, the only game Vasy outplayed Sammy.

5v5 score adjusted stats from game 1:
Shots: 23-21 Leafs
High Danger Chances: 15-6 Leafs

We stepped it up even more in game 2 and got the well-deserved win as the officials didnt make a mess of things and Vasy started reeling from the net front pressure we were putting on.

Tampa finally turned things around in game 3 back at hime but the Leafs battled hard and Sammy stood tall in big moments and this is the game where the Leafs gutted out the win over a superior opponent that night.

Game 4 was a tale of two games with Tampa dominating early and the Leafs running over a gassed Bolts team as the game wore on.

All situations:

First period:
Shots: Tampa 12-5
High Danger Chances: 8-2 Tampa
Goals: 2-0 Tampa

2nd period-Overtime:
Shots: 32-19 Leafs
High Danger Chances: 11-7 Leafs
Goals: 5-2 Leafs (and Tampa got a lucky one off a skate)

Stop saying Tampa dominated the Leafs last game. They absolutely didnt and choked as hard as we ever have. It's hard to even fault Vasy on the goals. All of them were good. Goal 1: beauty tip for no chance, Goal 2: Rocket by Matthews, no chance, Goal 3: Insane tip by Matthews, no chance, Goal 4: Seeing eye shot with Tavares completely screening Vasy in front due to the charmin soft D, no chance, and Kerfoot with the beauty tip off the post, no chance (and again he was all alone there).

I think you give yourself up though when you start to talk about how you were "right" about this and that from the past. It's clouding you to what is actually happening on the ice. We beat the 3 times East Champs with the 2nd best home record in the league this year twice including handing them the most embarrassing loss in memory. They looked crushed the end of last game. This Leafs team did that to them.

It's not going to be hard to give them confidence heading into next game though as apparently so many Leafs fans are doing that for them.....

 

[Notsince67]

It's abnormal for a team of TB caliber to collapse 3 games in a single series. G2 G3 G4 were all collapses, much like we did with Boston in the past. Based off what you see in this series, do you think our core is going to raise the bar to that of the level of Boston or exceed them?

I can tell you right now, based off what I see the we're still mining the W' but the canary is dead on the ground if you get what I mean.

I've watched enough games to know they can play much better

 

[Dekes For Days]

The comebacks they have mounted (two in a row) are statistically improbable.

I mean, it's not super common to come back from multi-goal deficits, but it happens, and this team has shown many times that it is capable.
And who really cares if it was statistically improbable? It happened, and there's no changing that.
We've had statistically improbable things screw us nonstop in the playoffs the past few years, so I'm not going to apologize for something finally going our way.
If we've won 3 out of 4 games and you don't even think we've played to our capabilities, you'd think that would be a good thing.

Winning a cup while being outplayed the majority of your series, next to impossible. Boston is a stronger team than TB and the rest is just common sense and logic.

Cup winners have been outplayed in series before on their way to cups, and we haven't actually been outplayed in this series. As I mentioned, we're up 3-1, we've scored more goals, and we've generated more expected goals. Funny enough, there's a bigger argument that the big boogeyman Boston is getting outplayed in their series against a worse team. And I'm not sure what any of this has to do with your incorrect comments about Marner. He's certainly not the one being outplayed.

 

[DarkKnight]

The comebacks they have mounted (two in a row) are statistically improbable. Winning a cup while being outplayed the majority of your series, next to impossible. Boston is a stronger team than TB and the rest is just common sense and logic.

Need to play better /60. No questions, jokes over after the next win.



I am invested in the truth. Read the GDTs and see how many wth are they doings you see, Marner needs to pick it up, Mathews isn't doing squat. It's constant simply because they are being outplayed now 3 games to 1. The end result has been favorable though statistically improbable.

I hope they shore that up and put some energy back in there game/60. They need it against Boston (not that that is a forgone conclusion at this point)

Add: Any coach worth a grain is not happy about the past two games. Happy with the win sure, the ability to push back as well, but they need to start controlling games.

You’re talking about Ron Wilson in here dude, it’s ridiculous. Hasn’t been on the ice for a goal, leads 5 v 5, top penalty killer, and he’s your target here. Give me a break. People just hate their lives and project I think.

 

[thewave]

We're looking at two of the best home ice teams in the league right?

Yes

In game one we outplayed them 5v5 but got hit for 8 penalties including some horrifically bad calls (gotta call those stick checks Wes) and everyone agreed Sammy was brutal in that game. Also, the only game Vasy outplayed Sammy.

It was poorly officiated. I didn't like our game very much either though.

5v5 score adjusted stats from game 1:
Shots: 23-21 Leafs
High Danger Chances: 15-6 Leafs

Fair enough. I did have issues with game 1 but we did give up for the last half of the game or more.

We stepped it up even more in game 2 and got the well-deserved win as the officials didnt make a mess of things and Vasy started reeling from the net front pressure we were putting on.

Game 2 was good.

Tampa finally turned things around in game 3 back at hime but the Leafs battled hard and Sammy stood tall in big moments and this is the game where the Leafs gutted out the win over a superior opponent that night.

Yes

Game 4 was a tale of two games with Tampa dominating early and the Leafs running over a gassed Bolts team as the game wore on.

Not sure they were gassed. We certainly played with more urgency.

All situations:

First period:
Shots: Tampa 12-5
High Danger Chances: 8-2 Tampa
Goals: 2-0 Tampa

2nd period-Overtime:
Shots: 32-19 Leafs
High Danger Chances: 11-7 Leafs
Goals: 5-2 Leafs (and Tampa got a lucky one off a skate)

Stop saying Tampa dominated the Leafs last game. They absolutely didnt and choked as hard as we ever have. It's hard to even fault Vasy on the goals. All of them were good. Goal 1: beauty tip for no chance, Goal 2: Rocket by Matthews, no chance, Goal 3: Insane tip by Matthews, no chance, Goal 4: Seeing eye shot with Tavares completely screening Vasy in front due to the charmin soft D, no chance, and Kerfoot with the beauty tip off the post, no chance (and again he was all alone there).

They did choke but they are absolutely capable of dominating us for long stretches and have. We just hang on and don't seem to get into the game. Are you suggesting that playing from behind is a good hockey strategy?

I think you give yourself up though when you start to talk about how you were "right" about this and that from the past. It's clouding you to what is actually happening on the ice. We beat the 3 times East Champs with the 2nd best home record in the league this year twice including handing them the most embarrassing loss in memory. They looked crushed the end of last game. This Leafs team did that to them.

It's not going to be hard to give them confidence heading into next game though as apparently so many Leafs fans are doing that for them.....

The performance in the next series will tell all. This team seems to not change their playing characteristics until the situation is dire. Playing from behind is not a good strategy as you can be stone walled by a hot tender and lose most of your games

The above is statistically accurate too btw. Just pull the data on early leads and what % results of winning a game or series. It sounds to me like homers trying to re-frame our performances for the benefit of the Ra-Ra club while those of us that expect to win of the cup are down to business and looking at the team objectively.

You’re talking about Ron Wilson in here dude, it’s ridiculous. Hasn’t been on the ice for a goal, leads 5 v 5, top penalty killer, and he’s your target here. Give me a break. People just hate their lives and project I think.

This team is the same collapse and fold under pressure team as the Ron Wilson team. The past two games are literally the first playoff signs of change for the Toronto Maple Leafs. How many 1st round exits in a row including against worse teams again?

Think about it, you know I am right.

 

[MAB1]

The comebacks they have mounted (two in a row) are statistically improbable. Winning a cup while being outplayed the majority of your series, next to impossible. Boston is a stronger team than TB and the rest is just common sense and logic.

Need to play better /60. No questions, jokes over after the next win.



I am invested in the truth. Read the GDTs and see how many wth are they doings you see, Marner needs to pick it up, Mathews isn't doing squat. It's constant simply because they are being outplayed now 3 games to 1. The end result has been favorable though statistically improbable.

I hope they shore that up and put some energy back in there game/60. They need it against Boston (not that that is a forgone conclusion at this point)

Add: Any coach worth a grain is not happy about the past two games. Happy with the win sure, the ability to push back as well, but they need to start controlling games.

Boston coming back down 4-1 against the Leafs in 2013 was statistically improbable, they ended up going to the cup using that series to propel them momentum-wise. Should they have just folded because they knew they fluked out a win against the Leafs?

It's the playoffs, you either win or lose. There's no winning fancy or losing fancy.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Boston coming back down 4-1 against the Leafs in 2013 was statistically improbable, they ended up going to the cup using that series to propel them momentum-wise. Should they have just folded because they knew they fluked out a win against the Leafs?

I wonder how many of these same people were saying in 2013 that we outplayed Boston in game 7.

 

[thewave]

Boston coming back down 4-1 against the Leafs in 2013 was statistically improbable, they ended up going to the cup using that series to propel them momentum-wise. Should they have just folded because they knew they fluked out a win against the Leafs?

It's the playoffs, you either win or lose. There's no winning fancy or losing fancy.

Yes, lets hope that's what we have here and not fools gold. I actually said the exact same thing in a thread as well. Almost word for word but the point is, after narrowly beating the Leafs, became an actual dominate machine the rest of the way. Will we? I hope so.

 

[MAB1]

I wonder how many of these same people were saying in 2013 that we outplayed Boston in game 7.

I'd say what the Leafs did in game 4 was more impressive than Boston coming back from 4-1 down. The Bruins were at home, and each goal gave the crowd more life until they eventually won 5-4. The Leafs were on the road, each goal they scored took away life from the crowd and they had to fight through the momentum the fans were giving the Bolts.

Yes, lets hope that's what we have here and not fools gold. I actually said the exact same thing in a thread as well. Almost word for word but the point is, after narrowly beating the Leafs, became an actual dominate machine the rest of the way. Will we? I hope so.

Why do they have to be a dominant machine the rest of the way? When the Raptors won their title, were they ever dominant? Or just better than every team they faced. If the Leafs win round 1, they're not sweeping the Bruins, every series will be a fight, all that matters is being better than the team they're facing, by how much more doesn't matter.

 

[thewave]

I wonder how many of these same people were saying in 2013 that we outplayed Boston in game 7.

Just go back, they're in history. We were the better team that series and got screwed by the zeebras. I liked that team more than I like this current team. It didn't have the star content but it was a legit rough and tough mean hard nosed playoff squad that got screwed.

Add: Nobody wants this club to win more than me. I am absolutely all for Marner winning the Conn Smythe, why wouldn't I be. I am simply pointing out that these players need to play a better /60 to win a cup. I want a cup, I want it this year because cap and everything else gets sketchy from here out. This is it, it's our chance.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We were the better team that series and got screwed by the zeebras.

While the refs were horrible, we were at 45.8 xGF% and 45.0 GF% that series. We deserved to lose. And the question was specifically whether we were the better team in game 7, where we experienced one of the most embarrassing and crushing losses in franchise history.

I liked that team more than I like this current team.

That's an inconceivable position to have. This current team is massively better in pretty much every way.

I am absolutely all for Marner winning the Conn Smythe, why wouldn't I be. I am simply pointing out that these players need to play a better /60 to win a cup. I want a cup, I want it this year because cap and everything else gets sketchy from here out. This is it, it's our chance.

We've got a number of chances upcoming, but yes, this is a prime opportunity to win a cup.
Whatever issues you think this team needs to fix to win a cup, Marner is not one of them.

 

[thewave]

That's an inconceivable position to have. This current team is massively better in pretty much every way.

That team was full of warriors that were punishing other teams. They were cripplers and entertaining as heck. I loved it, I want more of that. Sign me up for a balanced team of truculence and skill any day of the week. Dubas' NuHockey is the reason we haven't won a series yet, this year is the corrective measures. (*You know because his job is on the line and he had to eat crow*).

Bringing this back to Marner though, he can play a lot better than he has and I am not talking about getting points. He is leaving a lot on the table in effort. Just watch how often the puck will get chipped in and he refuses to chase.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That team was full of warriors that were punishing other teams. They were cripplers and entertaining as heck. I loved it, I want more of that. Sign me up for a balanced team of truculence and skill any day of the week. Dubas' NuHockey is the reason we haven't won a series yet, this year is the corrective measures.

Our current team is also full of warriors, who are also better players. Your interpretation of the teams that Dubas has built over the years is wildly off, your belief of why we've lost over the years is wildly off, your belief of why we did what we did this year is wildly off, and you seem to be viewing the team from a decade ago through a heavy nostalgic lens. Our current team is easily better. No contest.

Bringing this back to Marner though, he can play a lot better than he has and I am not talking about getting points. He is leaving a lot on the table in effort. Just watch how often the puck will get chipped in and he refuses to chase.

That's just straight up not true. Marner is giving 110% effort every shift. Effort is never an issue with him. And he's played amazing this series in every way. Conn Smythe level.

 

[thewave]

Our current team is also full of warriors, who are also better players. Your interpretation of the teams that Dubas has built over the years is wildly off, your belief of why we've lost over the years is wildly off, your belief of why we did what we did this year is wildly off, and you seem to be viewing the team from a decade ago through a heavy nostalgic lens. Our current team is easily better. No contest.

That's just straight up not true. Marner is giving 110% effort every shift. Effort is never an issue with him. And he's played amazing this series in every way. Conn Smythe level.

Not the same level of warriors. Boston was limping off the ice that series, they were being crushed and even injured cleanly. I think we injured 3 and at the end of the season, Boston pretty much said we banged them up really bad and it was the toughest series.

We can agree to disagree on Marners effort though. You have a very well documented consistent pro Dubas / Keefe / Team construction / Play style etc stance.

 

[Zybalto]

Yes

It was poorly officiated. I didn't like our game very much either though.

Fair enough. I did have issues with game 1 but we did give up for the last half of the game or more.

Game 2 was good.

Yes

Not sure they were gassed. We certainly played with more urgency.


They did choke but they are absolutely capable of dominating us for long stretches and have. We just hang on and don't seem to get into the game. Are you suggesting that playing from behind is a good hockey strategy?

The performance in the next series will tell all. This team seems to not change their playing characteristics until the situation is dire. Playing from behind is not a good strategy as you can be stone walled by a hot tender and lose most of your games

The above is statistically accurate too btw. Just pull the data on early leads and what % results of winning a game or series. It sounds to me like homers trying to re-frame our performances for the benefit of the Ra-Ra club while those of us that expect to win of the cup are down to business and looking at the team objectively.



This team is the same collapse and fold under pressure team as the Ron Wilson team. The past two games are literally the first playoff signs of change for the Toronto Maple Leafs. How many 1st round exits in a row including against worse teams again?

Think about it, you know I am right.

Playing from behind is never great of course, just ask Tampa who had to do that for most of the first in game 3 when they had the better legs that night right? Part of the reason they lost that game.



We'll pretend that the Jackets didnt have the same number of points as the Leafs for your argument I guess so why did they lose to those two teams? They dominated them to a far greater extent than Tampa has supposedly dominated the Leafs.

Over those two series:

Shots: 425-357
High Danger Chances: 143-101


Could it be the mix of injuries/clutch goalie differential/bottom 6 differential that it appears to be or is it something wrong with the current team?

NHL playoff points per game leaders over the last 4 years (to include those teams):
1. McDavid
2. Drai
3. MacKinnon
4. Rantanen
5. Kucherov
6. Matthews
7. Makar
8. O'Reilly
9. Nylander
10. Marner

Do you know that single 5v5 goal scored by ZAR means he outscored Engvall, Mikheyev, Kapanen, Kase, Thronton, Galchenyuk, Foligno, Simmonds, Nash, Clifford, Kerfoot and Brooks in their combined 103 games for us 5v5? (with their awesome total of 0) It was nice to see Kerfoot get the winner last game but there's a reason he is a whipping boy.

Hell, Accari already has 2 5v5 goals too putting him ahead of Hyman's grand total of 1 in 12 games as he choked on open nets and breakaways.

Time will still tell if this is a different team or not (especially with how Samsonov does in elimination games, our biggest worry) but team depth is feeling very different after the bottom 6 cleanout. (Kampf the only survivor from last year)

 

[thewave]

Playing from behind is never great of course, just ask Tampa who had to do that for most of the first in game 3 when they had the better legs that night right? Part of the reason they lost that game.



We'll pretend that the Jackets didnt have the same number of points as the Leafs for your argument I guess so why did they lose to those two teams? They dominated them to a far greater extent than Tampa has supposedly dominated the Leafs.

Over those two series:

Shots: 425-357
High Danger Chances: 143-101


Could it be the mix of injuries/clutch goalie differential/bottom 6 differential that it appears to be or is it something wrong with the current team?

NHL playoff points per game leaders over the last 4 years (to include those teams):
1. McDavid
2. Drai
3. MacKinnon
4. Rantanen
5. Kucherov
6. Matthews
7. Makar
8. O'Reilly
9. Nylander
10. Marner

Do you know that single 5v5 goal scored by ZAR means he outscored Engvall, Mikheyev, Kapanen, Kase, Thronton, Galchenyuk, Foligno, Simmonds, Nash, Clifford, Kerfoot and Brooks in their combined 103 games for us 5v5? (with their awesome total of 0) It was nice to see Kerfoot get the winner last game but there's a reason he is a whipping boy.

Hell, Accari already has 2 5v5 goals too putting him ahead of Hyman's grand total of 1 in 12 games as he choked on open nets and breakaways.

Time will still tell if this is a different team or not (especially with how Samsonov does in elimination games, our biggest worry) but team depth is feeling very different after the bottom 6 cleanout. (Kampf the only survivor from last year)

It's smoke though, numbers and slants that paint this image of accomplishment where there is none.

Stats don't mean much in the face of accomplishments do they? How many series have we won in the past 6? You're showing me stats that lead to losing repeatedly and are suggesting that they are supporting evidence of achievements.

I know they are the most talented team on the ice. I know they can score seemingly at will. I also know that they choke on a dime and people watching the game in real time are commenting we are being out-coached and out-played.

I am highlighting that if we seriously want to win, it's time to take this backwards approach to winning and throw it in the trash. Get down to hard work and winning the right way.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Before yesterdays games, Marner was leading the NHL playoffs in points. Lol @ anyone complaining about his game. He is the mvp of the team who sets the tone.

 

[thewave]

Before yesterdays games, Marner was leading the NHL playoffs in points. Lol @ anyone complaining about his game. He is the mvp of the team who sets the tone.

Guys like Alexander Semin have lead the league in points at times (PO points too if not mistaken). They didn't win anything with him did they. Time to get real if we are going to beat Boston. Chip and turn-away hockey isn't getting it done next round.

 

[Notsince67]

That team was full of warriors that were punishing other teams. They were cripplers and entertaining as heck. I loved it, I want more of that. Sign me up for a balanced team of truculence and skill any day of the week. Dubas' NuHockey is the reason we haven't won a series yet, this year is the corrective measures. (*You know because his job is on the line and he had to eat crow*).

Bringing this back to Marner though, he can play a lot better than he has and I am not talking about getting points. He is leaving a lot on the table in effort. Just watch how often the puck will get chipped in and he refuses to chase.

He should definitely forget about playing defensively to chase the dump ins. He has only allowed 1 5x5 goal against all series so let everyone else worry about shit like that. That includes the zone exits. He needs to chase the puck and get it to the champion playmaker guys in the ozone so we can score more.