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therealkoho said:
I know what you're saying but having your name engraved on the SC while it takes a lot of personal effort it's ultimately the teams trophy!

you can add Marcel Dionne, and Dale Hawerchuk to that list of greats that didn't win it all, they both had remarkable careers, I don't see them as anything but winners, but not like a guy who's been on a team who went all the way
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There will always be great players who didn’t win the Championship. Barkley and Nash didn’t win but I don’t think anyone who doubt how good they were as basketball players. It is funny you brought up Dionne as his brother actually won a Cup while being 10% at most of how good he was.

Notsince67 said:
Solid player for sure but he is pretty fragile
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At one point, I would rate Stone as the top Power Forward in the league. Then his body just gave up on him.
 
Gary Nylund said:
There's plenty of blame to go around and all I'm saying is that when you score 2 goals in 3 games, the guys paid to score deserve a good chunk of the blame. You keep focusing on the goalies but does that really make sense when you compare what they get paid compared to what the big 4 get paid?

The "half the cap thing" isn't "outdated", it's a fact, it's what the big 4 get paid. I understand what covid did but it doesn't change the fact that these guys are paid a huge portion of the teams cap and they're expected to score. Or what, if the cap was 10 million higher and you changed "half the cap" to "44-45% of the cap", you'd be OK with these guys not being able score in the most important games that the team plays?
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The half the cap thing is relevant unless they win the Cup. Nomatterwhat, if teams are expected to win as in being contenders and they don’t win, everyone will analyze why they didnt win and they will name the reasons, reffing, outgoalied, not enough productions from top guys or bottom guys, defensive mistakes, coaching, structure of the team, fatigue…..it just so happened Leafs is the only team with 40mil spent on 4 forwards. Conversely, if Leafs win the Cup, one of the reasons of winning will be spending 40mil on 4 forwards. Being a Champion will always change the narrative.
For example, Raptors won the Championship while Nurse used Box 1 in the Finals, and everyone thought wow, that’s pretty smart…but if the Raptors lost, it will be why did Nurse used that, not even top ranked HS teams used that bc it sucks….. another example was using a timeout in Game 5, while Raptors was going on a run and about to tie the game late, Nurse called and TO and lost momentum. Nurse reason was his guys were tired….and the medias and even us questioned that decision, but if they won that game, we will be saying he is a genius for doing that.
I agree with you, it is a fact. We might get tired of hearing it but that’s only bc the boys haven’t produce playoffs results-Cup. Even if the Leafs make it to the SC finals, we are still going to hear 40mils on 4 forwards and it will be if only those four take a little less in order for the Leafs to get that extra little help/depth, that difference might just be enough for the Cup and that difference is what separates between winning and losing…..
 
francis246 said:
At the end of the day Marner is going to be remembered as a great. Same with Matthews, Nylander and Tavares. There are many players who retire without winning the cup. It will just be that they are appreciated later in their career for their efforts. The funniest part is all they have to do really is win a round and this narrative about them basically evaporates.
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I don’t think anyone can honestly say, our current top guys are not great players and if they( big four and Reilly) manage to finish their careers as Leafs or at least play over 10 years, they are Leafs Legends. Would they be on Legends Row, that’s a whole separate discussions.
Would be great if they can add a Cup or two.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
There will always be great players who didn’t win the Championship. Barkley and Nash didn’t win but I don’t think anyone who doubt how good they were as basketball players. It is funny you brought up Dionne as his brother actually won a Cup while being 10% at most of how good he was.
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Championships really don't matter much IMO when judging individual players. How about Ray Bourque - played almost his entire career with Boston, then won a cup with Colorado at age 40 and retired. If he doesn't win that year and retires without a cup, I'm pretty sure that he's still a legendary player.

What about McDavid, if he stays loyal to EDM, plays there all his career and retires cupless, is he a lesser player than he would be if he left EDM for a better organization and won a cup before retiring? Not to me he isn't. Now of course if he comes to Toronto and wins a cup, he'll be immortal, but that's another story. ;)

With so many teams in the league, cups are harder to win than ever, and the list of superstars who never win the cup will keep growing at an ever increasing rate.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Championships really don't matter much IMO when judging individual players. How about Ray Bourque - played almost his entire career with Boston, then won a cup with Colorado at age 40 and retired. If he doesn't win that year and retires without a cup, I'm pretty sure that he's still a legendary player.

What about McDavid, if he stays loyal to EDM, plays there all his career and retires cupless, is he a lesser player than he would be if he left EDM for a better organization and won a cup before retiring? Not to me he isn't. Now of course if he comes to Toronto and wins a cup, he'll be immortal, but that's another story. ;)

With so many teams in the league, cups are harder to win than ever, and the list of superstars who never win the cup will keep growing at an ever increasing rate.
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I agree and It was never my intention to say Championship is the be all and end all in judging the greatness of players.
But I will always choose Cups over individual players success. Since this is a MM thread, I will use MM as an example. I would rather have MM leads the Leafs to Cups than have MM wins countless Hart, Art Ross, Rockets, Selke… with no Cups. It won’t take away MM being a great player and a Leafs legend but it will certainly leave a sense of regrets and the thought of ‘if only….’
However, if MM leads the Leafs to Cups, I don’t think anyone would think if only MM win a Hart or Art Ross….
 
Gabriel426 said:
I agree and It was never my intention to say Championship is the be all and end all in judging the greatness of players.
But I will always choose Cups over individual players success. Since this is a MM thread, I will use MM as an example. I would rather have MM leads the Leafs to Cups than have MM wins countless Hart, Art Ross, Rockets, Selke… with no Cups. It won’t take away MM being a great player and a Leafs legend but it will certainly leave a sense of regrets and the thought of ‘if only….’
However, if MM leads the Leafs to Cups, I don’t think anyone would think if only MM win a Hart or Art Ross….
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For sure, I agree with you here 100%. For me the Hart, Art Ross and whatever else are only cherries on top of the cake. But playoff success is the cake and if there's no cake, the cherries mean squat to me. It's a team game so of course individual accomplishments take a back seat to what the team does.
 
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Love Mitch, great REGULAR season. Is it really true he hasn't had a playoff goal ever? Matthews doesn't have many either. Obviously for this team to go forward these things have to change. Hopefully a deeper third and fourth line will help them.
As I type this I'm thinking it seems Mitch really came forward when he scored on a PP last season. Before that he went 100 PP's shifts without scoring. It's like a weight was lifted off his shoulders. Maybe one playoff goal and he soars. Here's hoping......

Oops, he does have playoff goals. Bad info. apologies
 
DarkKnight said:


This is why I just laugh at the “fanboy” lame detractors here, like Marner is some okay player you‘ve got a crush on and not simply someone this organization will never see again. What a list, even more impressive considering the era he plays in.
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Not bad company. What is amazing is the HoFers on that list also scored 50+ goals during their 7 years. Guy (4), Luc (3), Jari (4), Bossy (7!!!). Different eras, todays players are faster and more skilled but they are allowed to play their games and the goalies are also much better.
 
ToneDog said:
Not bad company. What is amazing is the HoFers on that list also scored 50+ goals during their 7 years. Guy (4), Luc (3), Jari (4), Bossy (7!!!). Different eras, todays players are faster and more skilled but they are allowed to play their games and the goalies are also much better.
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Marner had 35 last year in 72 games, probably a 50 goal pace in the 80s
 
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DarkKnight said:
There were a lot of people last year arguing 34 was carrying Mitch. I prefer to see it as complimentary.
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There really weren't.

Literally nobody has a problem with regular season Marner. We know he's a monster and we'd all build a statue for him if we could corresponding to his regular season success. Your last few posts in here are embarassing to read. Why can't you just compliment the guy like a normal person.

There's about 1-3 people super salty that there exists 15-20 others who think Marner is a shadow of himself when playoffs roll around. Spoiler: You're 1 of the 3
 
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