Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Notsince67]

I haven't seen anyone claim he's the best winger and yell at anyone who disagrees, but ok I'll take your word for it.

I'm referring more to non Leafs fans - I think those of us that get to watch him every game understand how valuable he is. Someone referred to him as Gilmour without the bite and I think that's pretty accurate.

Gilmour was 4 years older than Marner is now when he joined the Leafs. Let that sink in a bit

 

[ToneDog]

What would he need to do alone to not be?

Help get us out of the Atlantic. I expect the Bruins and Lightning to take a step back next year, so I wouldn't mind giving this core one more shot if they do not get it done this year. Matty and Willie would have to buy in and resign July 1st though.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You should be afraid. To trade the best winger in the league would be madness.

I haven't seen anyone claim he's the best winger and yell at anyone who disagrees, but ok I'll take your word for it.

I'm referring more to non Leafs fans - I think those of us that get to watch him every game understand how valuable he is. Someone referred to him as Gilmour without the bite and I think that's pretty accurate.

The post above was just a few minutes ago, that didn't take long LOL. He's not one of the "yellers", he just has a habit of stating his opinions as if they're facts and some of his takes are ridiculous.

You're probably right that non Leaf fans don't understand how good he is but you could say the same for Leaf fans not understanding how good the top wingers on other teams are. Like in the recent player/exec poll, Pasta was voted the top winger, Marner was 4th. There's a reason so many people think Pasta is better than Marner but try telling that to the Marner fanboys here ...

Gilmour without the bite, I remember someone saying that and that's not a bad comparison.

 

[ACC1224]

Help get us out of the Atlantic. I expect the Bruins and Lightning to take a step back next year, so I wouldn't mind giving this core one more shot if they do not get it done this year. Matty and Willie would have to buy in and resign July 1st though.

Wouldn’t that be down to all of them if they lose? Why just Marner?

 

[ShaneFalco]

How many playoffs series does he get before he is our DeRozen ?

I think this is it
Be nice if he can get by a game or two without shotting the puck over the glass

 

[Gary Nylund]

Help get us out of the Atlantic. I expect the Bruins and Lightning to take a step back next year, so I wouldn't mind giving this core one more shot if they do not get it done this year. Matty and Willie would have to buy in and resign July 1st though.

I think they need to kick ass in the playoffs or major changes have to happen. Beat TB for starters, and do it convincingly. Then if we can't beat Boston, at least play great while losing. Anything short of that and something has to change. Probably the simplest thing to do is to get a new coach, do that and I'd be fine with giving the core another shot but if Dubas just wants to roll everything back including all the core pieces and the coach ... well then it's Dubas who has to go. I hate to say it because mostly I like what Dubas has done but I do fear that he takes the concept of loyalty too far.

 

[ToneDog]

Wouldn’t that be down to all of them if they lose? Why just Marner?

It is Marner and Matthews. One of these two needs to step up and win us a closeout game. You can't claim you deserve all that money and then fail in the playoffs. Marner has 2 assists in 8 closeout games. Matty is not much better.

 

[Notsince67]

Top RW in the league.
Seems about right except for the Marner haters

Ranking the Top 20 NHL Right Wingers | TheHockeyFanatic

www.thehockeyfanatic.com

 

[ACC1224]

Top RW in the league.
Seems about right except for the Marner haters

Ranking the Top 20 NHL Right Wingers | TheHockeyFanatic

www.thehockeyfanatic.com

NHL announces 2020-21 First and Second All-Star teams | NHL.com

Fox, Makar, Marchand, Marner, McDavid, Vasilevskiy honored

www.nhl.com

NHL announces 2021-22 First and Second All-Star Teams | NHL.com

TAMPA, Fla. - Toronto Maple Leafs center Auston Matthews, who earlier today captured the Hart Trophy as NHL MVP and Ted Lindsay Award for most outstanding player as selected by the NHLPA at the 2022 NHL Awards, heads the list of players voted to the 2021-22 NHL First All-Star Team.

www.nhl.com

 

[Notsince67]

NHL announces 2020-21 First and Second All-Star teams | NHL.com

Fox, Makar, Marchand, Marner, McDavid, Vasilevskiy honored

www.nhl.com

NHL announces 2021-22 First and Second All-Star Teams | NHL.com

TAMPA, Fla. - Toronto Maple Leafs center Auston Matthews, who earlier today captured the Hart Trophy as NHL MVP and Ted Lindsay Award for most outstanding player as selected by the NHLPA at the 2022 NHL Awards, heads the list of players voted to the 2021-22 NHL First All-Star Team.

www.nhl.com

Nice historical backdrop. Always interesting to see the obtuse individuals claim otherwise despite the plethora of supporting evidence..

 

[Gary Nylund]

Top RW in the league.
Seems about right except for the Marner haters

Ranking the Top 20 NHL Right Wingers | TheHockeyFanatic

www.thehockeyfanatic.com

Anyone who doesn't agree with you, you label them haters. This is the kind of nonsense that ruins it for people who want to have an intelligent discussion.

Fans will be fans but IMHO, what players and executives around the NHL think carries more weight. This was posted the other day, I notice you ignored it which makes sense - they don't have Marner at the top of the list so according to you they're "haters".

I wonder, why do you think players around the league hate Marner? If anyone, you'd think they'd hate Marchand but no, they rank him 6th among wingers while he didn't even crack the top 20 in the idiotic fan poll.

Pastrnak, Kaprizov or Marner? Execs, players rank the top NHL wingers

I haven't seen anyone claim he's the best winger and yell at anyone who disagrees, but ok I'll take your word for it.

The poster I quoted above is the guy who yells the loudest. Anyone who dares to question the POV that Marner is the best winger in the league, gets insulted.

Nice historical backdrop. Always interesting to see the obtuse individuals claim otherwise despite the plethora of supporting evidence..

So players and execs in the NHL are "obtuse individuals", got it.

Some people never change ...

 

[Notsince67]

 

[Dekes For Days]

Man, I really wish Jarnkrok hadn't been robbed on the resulting chance... Would have been a goal shown in highlight packages for decades...
Just when you think you've seen it all, he finds another way to amaze. What a player.

 

[Zybalto]

Marner vs. Kucherov this season:

5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.81
Kucherov: 0.70

Assists/60:
Marner: 2.07
Kucherov: 1.79

Points/60:
Marner: 2.88
Kucherov: 2.49

Shot differential:
Marner: 53.72
Kucherov: 52.38

xGF%:
Marner: 55.02
Kucherov: 55.33

Goal differential:
Marner: 61.71
Kucherov: 55.95

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.03
Kucherov: 2.38

Blocked Shots/60:
Marner: 1.61
Kucherov: 1.19

Hits/60:
Marner: 2.65
Kucherov: 2.49


PP:
Goals/60:
Marner: 1.83
Kucherov: 1.59

Assists/60:
Marner: 5.95
Kucherov: 7.16

Points/60:
Marner: 7.77
Kucherov: 8.75

PK -
Marner: Excellent PKer on a good PK team.
Kucherov: Does not PK

Overall

Marner:
Goals: 28
Points: 94

Kucherov:
Goals: 28
Points: 102

The fact Tampa has received almost 50 more PP opportunities (and the 2nd most in the NHL) than the Leafs certainly helps Kucherov pump up his overall numbers but the PP is the only thing really going for him in this comparison and only slightly. Marner is better defensively, a better 5v5 player, and is a great PKer. Really just a more complete player overall and should be the odds on favorite to win his 3rd straight RW title IMO.

 

[WillyC]

Marner acting like Messi out there last night.

 

[nsleaf]

Best RW in the league, other opinions are just plain wrong.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner vs. Kucherov this season:

5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.81
Kucherov: 0.70

Assists/60:
Marner: 2.07
Kucherov: 1.79

Points/60:
Marner: 2.88
Kucherov: 2.49

Shot differential:
Marner: 53.72
Kucherov: 52.38

xGF%:
Marner: 55.02
Kucherov: 55.33

Goal differential:
Marner: 61.71
Kucherov: 55.95

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.03
Kucherov: 2.38

Blocked Shots/60:
Marner: 1.61
Kucherov: 1.19

Hits/60:
Marner: 2.65
Kucherov: 2.49


PP:
Goals/60:
Marner: 1.83
Kucherov: 1.59

Assists/60:
Marner: 5.95
Kucherov: 7.16

Points/60:
Marner: 7.77
Kucherov: 8.75

PK -
Marner: Excellent PKer on a good PK team.
Kucherov: Does not PK

Overall

Marner:
Goals: 28
Points: 94

Kucherov:
Goals: 28
Points: 102

The fact Tampa has received almost 50 more PP opportunities (and the 2nd most in the NHL) than the Leafs certainly helps Kucherov pump up his overall numbers but the PP is the only thing really going for him in this comparison and only slightly. Marner is better defensively, a better 5v5 player, and is a great PKer. Really just a more complete player overall and should be the odds on favorite to win his 3rd straight RW title IMO.

Kucherov is not having his best season, running these numbers for Marner vs Pasta would probably be more interesting as he's probably Marner's main competition for the "RW title". Having said that, Kucherov and the rest of the TB team have played so much playoff hockey these last few years that it would be surprising if they were at their best during the regular season. It would not be surprising however if they played much better when the playoffs start, we'll see. Or to put it another way, judging Kucherov by his regular season performance doesn't make much sense, not to me anyway.

Also, I know some people don't want to hear it but playoffs are what really counts and to this point in his career, Marner has been a dominant player during the regular season but his production drops off in the playoffs. I don't give a crap about another whether or not he gets another 1st all-star team selection, whether he hits 100 points, get more points than Kucherov or anything else. Produce in the playoffs and show everyone that you are capable of dominating not just during the regular season, but when the going gets tougher and the games matter most. That's what I'm hoping for and I'm pretty sure 99% of the fan base feels the same way.

I know there are a couple of loud posters here who are just thrilled to bits about 1st team all-star selections. That way they can post the links showing this over and over again and claim it proves that Marner is the best winger in the world. Then when you point out that playoff performance aren't factored in to this equation they start yelling at you. Yes Marner is a great player but there are a few wingers who have played a lot better than he has in the playoffs and until that changes, any claims about Marner being "the best" are laughable.

The playoffs are where we separate the men from the boys. Hopefully Marner and the rest of the guys graduate from the handshake respect boys club to the mens league this spring but it hasn't happened yet.

Best RW in the league, other opinions are just plain wrong.

I see people say things like this from time to time - "anyone who has an opinion different from mine is wrong". Don't you get how ridiculous this sounds?

 

[IPS]

Marner vs. Kucherov this season:

5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.81
Kucherov: 0.70

Assists/60:
Marner: 2.07
Kucherov: 1.79

Points/60:
Marner: 2.88
Kucherov: 2.49

Shot differential:
Marner: 53.72
Kucherov: 52.38

xGF%:
Marner: 55.02
Kucherov: 55.33

Goal differential:
Marner: 61.71
Kucherov: 55.95

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.03
Kucherov: 2.38

Blocked Shots/60:
Marner: 1.61
Kucherov: 1.19

Hits/60:
Marner: 2.65
Kucherov: 2.49


PP:
Goals/60:
Marner: 1.83
Kucherov: 1.59

Assists/60:
Marner: 5.95
Kucherov: 7.16

Points/60:
Marner: 7.77
Kucherov: 8.75

PK -
Marner: Excellent PKer on a good PK team.
Kucherov: Does not PK

Overall

Marner:
Goals: 28
Points: 94

Kucherov:
Goals: 28
Points: 102

The fact Tampa has received almost 50 more PP opportunities (and the 2nd most in the NHL) than the Leafs certainly helps Kucherov pump up his overall numbers but the PP is the only thing really going for him in this comparison and only slightly. Marner is better defensively, a better 5v5 player, and is a great PKer. Really just a more complete player overall and should be the odds on favorite to win his 3rd straight RW title IMO.

I'd love to see what Marner's numbers would be this year (and Matthews' last year) if they got PP time like Tampa's stars do.

Shit give Nylander 50 more PP opportunities and he's probably matching Kuch's production.

 

[authentic]

Marner vs. Kucherov this season:

5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.81
Kucherov: 0.70

Assists/60:
Marner: 2.07
Kucherov: 1.79

Points/60:
Marner: 2.88
Kucherov: 2.49

Shot differential:
Marner: 53.72
Kucherov: 52.38

xGF%:
Marner: 55.02
Kucherov: 55.33

Goal differential:
Marner: 61.71
Kucherov: 55.95

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.03
Kucherov: 2.38

Blocked Shots/60:
Marner: 1.61
Kucherov: 1.19

Hits/60:
Marner: 2.65
Kucherov: 2.49


PP:
Goals/60:
Marner: 1.83
Kucherov: 1.59

Assists/60:
Marner: 5.95
Kucherov: 7.16

Points/60:
Marner: 7.77
Kucherov: 8.75

PK -
Marner: Excellent PKer on a good PK team.
Kucherov: Does not PK

Overall

Marner:
Goals: 28
Points: 94

Kucherov:
Goals: 28
Points: 102

The fact Tampa has received almost 50 more PP opportunities (and the 2nd most in the NHL) than the Leafs certainly helps Kucherov pump up his overall numbers but the PP is the only thing really going for him in this comparison and only slightly. Marner is better defensively, a better 5v5 player, and is a great PKer. Really just a more complete player overall and should be the odds on favorite to win his 3rd straight RW title IMO.

A healthy Matthews and Marner are going to dominate in the playoffs. Can't wait.

 

[ToneDog]

Kucherov is not having his best season, running these numbers for Marner vs Pasta would probably be more interesting as he's probably Marner's main competition for the "RW title". Having said that, Kucherov and the rest of the TB team have played so much playoff hockey these last few years that it would be surprising if they were at their best during the regular season. It would not be surprising however if they played much better when the playoffs start, we'll see. Or to put it another way, judging Kucherov by his regular season performance doesn't make much sense, not to me anyway.

Also, I know some people don't want to hear it but playoffs are what really counts and to this point in his career, Marner has been a dominant player during the regular season but his production drops off in the playoffs. I don't give a crap about another whether or not he gets another 1st all-star team selection, whether he hits 100 points, get more points than Kucherov or anything else. Produce in the playoffs and show everyone that you are capable of dominating not just during the regular season, but when the going gets tougher and the games matter most. That's what I'm hoping for and I'm pretty sure 99% of the fan base feels the same way.

I know there are a couple of loud posters here who are just thrilled to bits about 1st team all-star selections. That way they can post the links showing this over and over again and claim it proves that Marner is the best winger in the world. Then when you point out that playoff performance aren't factored in to this equation they start yelling at you. Yes Marner is a great player but there are a few wingers who have played a lot better than he has in the playoffs and until that changes, any claims about Marner being "the best" are laughable.

The playoffs are where we separate the men from the boys. Hopefully Marner and the rest of the guys graduate from the handshake respect boys club to the mens league this spring but it hasn't happened yet.


I see people say things like this from time to time - "anyone who has an opinion different from mine is wrong". Don't you get how ridiculous this sounds?

Men:

Boys:

 

[Zybalto]

Kucherov is not having his best season, running these numbers for Marner vs Pasta would probably be more interesting as he's probably Marner's main competition for the "RW title". Having said that, Kucherov and the rest of the TB team have played so much playoff hockey these last few years that it would be surprising if they were at their best during the regular season. It would not be surprising however if they played much better when the playoffs start, we'll see. Or to put it another way, judging Kucherov by his regular season performance doesn't make much sense, not to me anyway.

Also, I know some people don't want to hear it but playoffs are what really counts and to this point in his career, Marner has been a dominant player during the regular season but his production drops off in the playoffs. I don't give a crap about another whether or not he gets another 1st all-star team selection, whether he hits 100 points, get more points than Kucherov or anything else. Produce in the playoffs and show everyone that you are capable of dominating not just during the regular season, but when the going gets tougher and the games matter most. That's what I'm hoping for and I'm pretty sure 99% of the fan base feels the same way.

I know there are a couple of loud posters here who are just thrilled to bits about 1st team all-star selections. That way they can post the links showing this over and over again and claim it proves that Marner is the best winger in the world. Then when you point out that playoff performance aren't factored in to this equation they start yelling at you. Yes Marner is a great player but there are a few wingers who have played a lot better than he has in the playoffs and until that changes, any claims about Marner being "the best" are laughable.

The playoffs are where we separate the men from the boys. Hopefully Marner and the rest of the guys graduate from the handshake respect boys club to the mens league this spring but it hasn't happened yet.


I see people say things like this from time to time - "anyone who has an opinion different from mine is wrong". Don't you get how ridiculous this sounds?

Ask and ye shall receive:

Marner vs. Pasta this season:

5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.81
Pasta: 1.58

Assists/60:
Marner: 2.07
Pasta: 1.35

Points/60:
Marner: 2.88
Pasta: 2.93

Shot differential:
Marner: 53.72
Pasta: 53.91

xGF%:
Marner: 55.02
Pasta: 53.53

Goal differential:
Marner: 61.71
Pasta: 66.13

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.03
Pasta: 2.38

Blocked Shots/60:
Marner: 1.61
Pasta: 1.18

Hits/60:
Marner: 2.65
Pasta: 4.23


PP:
Goals/60:
Marner: 1.83
Pasta: 3.65

Assists/60:
Marner: 5.95
Pasta: 3.43

Points/60:
Marner: 7.77
Pasta: 7.08

PK -
Marner: Excellent PKer on a good PK team.
Pasta: Does not PK

Overall

Marner:
Goals: 28
Points: 94

Pasta:
Goals: 51
Points: 97


...and yes, you are correct in that this is a much better comparison. Pasta is clearly the better goalscorer (which may be the most important stat of all) but also benefits from being on the team with the 4th most PPs in the league this season while Marner has playmaking, D numbers, overall PP production rate and the fact he PKs so well (and again at all compared to his peers here).

With all those goals, Pasta might be a dark horse I didn't see coming though but Marner still remains the insane complete player.

Kucherov is clearly behind both these guys IMO.

 

[ToneDog]

Ask and ye shall receive:

Marner vs. Pasta this season:

5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.81
Pasta: 1.58

Assists/60:
Marner: 2.07
Pasta: 1.35

Points/60:
Marner: 2.88
Pasta: 2.93

Shot differential:
Marner: 53.72
Pasta: 53.91

xGF%:
Marner: 55.02
Pasta: 53.53

Goal differential:
Marner: 61.71
Pasta: 66.13

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.03
Pasta: 2.38

Blocked Shots/60:
Marner: 1.61
Pasta: 1.18

Hits/60:
Marner: 2.65
Pasta: 4.23


PP:
Goals/60:
Marner: 1.83
Pasta: 3.65

Assists/60:
Marner: 5.95
Pasta: 3.43

Points/60:
Marner: 7.77
Pasta: 7.08

PK -
Marner: Excellent PKer on a good PK team.
Pasta: Does not PK

Overall

Marner:
Goals: 28
Points: 94

Pasta:
Goals: 51
Points: 97


...and yes, you are correct in that this is a much better comparison. Pasta is clearly the better goalscorer (which may be the most important stat of all) but also benefits from being on the team with the 4th most PPs in the league this season while Marner has playmaking, D numbers, overall PP production rate and the fact he PKs so well (and again at all compared to his peers here).

With all those goals, Pasta might be a dark horse I didn't see coming though but Marner still remains the insane complete player.

Kucherov is clearly behind both these guys IMO.

Kutch's numbers are as good as both Pasta and Marner and he has many more miles on him. 136 playoff games takes it's toll.

 

[Antropovsky]

I haven't seen anyone claim he's the best winger and yell at anyone who disagrees, but ok I'll take your word for it.

I'm referring more to non Leafs fans - I think those of us that get to watch him every game understand how valuable he is. Someone referred to him as Gilmour without the bite and I think that's pretty accurate.

I don't get this comparison.... The bite is what made Gilmour - Gilmour. That's like saying a boxer is similar to Tyson but without the power. You take the bite from Gilmour and exchange that for a soft, goofy teenage looking adult and how does the comparison stand?

 

[notdoneyet]

Just from memory alone in no order...

Aho
Barzal
Nylander
Stone
Strome
Pasta
Rantanen
Kucherov
Robertson
Matthews
Tavares
Kane
Hyman
Eichel
Zacha
Meier
Virtanen
and even...Soshnikov

Kid is not even 26 yet and judgement has been passed.

And don’t forget kyper said there was no spot for him on the leafs as hyman was better connor brown is better. Marner maybe could play on the fourth line.
To the marner haters anyone having a good season is better than marner

At times i wish he would be traded just to see the futility of the rest of this group.

 

[Antropovsky]

Kutch's numbers are as good as both Pasta and Marner and he has many more miles on him. 136 playoff games takes it's toll.

No kidding... Two Stanley cups, 3 consecutive finals, 30 years old and coming off a major injury. The guy should be wearing down. He probably wants a break. Hell our guys have golf trips and Mexico trips scheduled before game 7 has ended.