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Srsly said:
First he was leaching off Tavares during a career year. Then they took him off Tavares’ line and he started leaching off Austin Matthews. Then ROR gets five points in three games playing with Mitch and this fan bases begins to praise him as the second coming of Yzerman to lead us to a cup. Honestly, despite being a little inconsistent and frustrating at times Mitch is the common variable here and has more of an impact on these other star forwards than most care to admit.
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the funny thing about people saying is he was leeching off JT and Mathews is they ignore who was carrying the puck and creating the scoring chances

Mathews at least you can say can turn a nothing chance into a goal if he has a little time/space and gets the puck in a decent scoring area . JT on the other hand is pretty much only effective around the net and needs his linemates to create chances for him , f*** Hyman is pacing for over 90 pts last time i checked by just hanging around the net and letting McJesus create endless opportunities for him to pad his stats .
 
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Srsly said:
First he was leaching off Tavares during a career year. Then they took him off Tavares’ line and he started leaching off Austin Matthews. Then ROR gets five points in three games playing with Mitch and this fan bases begins to praise him as the second coming of Yzerman to lead us to a cup. Honestly, despite being a little inconsistent and frustrating at times Mitch is the common variable here and has more of an impact on these other star forwards than most care to admit.
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I said it before that we won't be seeing last year's version of Matthews until Marner gets reunited with him. As far as the other linemates go, it's crazy to see how good Marner is at elevating his linemates, wouldn't be shocked at all to see ROR look his best offensively his entire career playing with Marner.
 
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There’s nobody in the NHL on Marner’s hockey IQ level… he’s above everyone.

After that line started the game like they did… am I the only one who thought about Sittler’s record after the first 3 goals?
 
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WillyC said:
There’s nobody in the NHL on Marner’s hockey IQ level… he’s above everyone.

After that line started the game like they did… am I the only one who thought about Sittler’s record after the first 3 goals?
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To say nobody is on his level sounds a lot like hyperbole. Crazy thing is though, it just might be true.

As far as Sittler, I'd guess you're the only one. I think someone's going to have get up to at least 7/8 goals before I even start to think about that one.
 
IPS said:
I said it before that we won't be seeing last year's version of Matthews until Marner gets reunited with him. As far as the other linemates go, it's crazy to see how good Marner is at elevating his linemates, wouldn't be shocked at all to see ROR look his best offensively his entire career playing with Marner.
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I don’t think we’d see last years Matthews even with Marner playing together. Maybe I’m being pessimistic, but Matthews just doesn’t look right. I don’t even know what to call it but it’s hard to describe. Shots the normally go in from him aren’t, and haven’t been for almost the entire season. It’s gotten to the point where my expectations from Matthews and nylander have flipped. I’m expecting Matthews to make a normal-good pass to nylander, and for nylander to turn that pass into a goal. Whether it’s a nice feed or nylander just snipes the goal, that’s just how I see it. It surprises me more because nylander is somehow pacing for 50 assists, and yet Matthews is barely scoring at a 40 goal pace.

Matthews and Marner worked last year so well because of multiple things that I don’t think can happen this season. Firstly, Matthews’s goal scoring was unreal, he was scoring every type of goal, so Marner was able to use his creativity to give him the puck in different ways and still have those become goals. Whether it was for a wrist shot, a one-timer, a silky backhander, or even a redirection. Matthews was allowing Marner to pass it to him in any way possible. This year, I can say what a consistent goal Matthews can score, one-timers don’t seem to be it this season, backhanders are inconsistent, he’s not going to the areas to get tips/greasy goals, and for the first time maybe ever, his wrist shot is not looking lethal. Secondly, marners own goal scoring. Marners last year’s pace was around 40. He was a legit threat to score, this caused teams to take notice and not just let him do whatever he wants from a shooting perspective. This further opened up Matthews as teams couldn’t sag off Marner and heavily play him. This year Marner is scoring way less and is pacing for 28 goals, but he is playing with two real good scorers right now in O’reilly and Tavares, both better than last years bunting. He has a lot of options here as both wingers have their strengths in terms of scoring.

I just don’t think they would work as Marner isn’t as much of a threat to score from last year, so it would be a bit harder to get Matthews those freebies. Look at last game on the PP, Marner got it across to Auston late in the third, and he hit the side of the net. On the other hand, I don’t think Matthews can create goals out of nothing anymore, giving him just time and space isn’t gonna lead to goals anymore, he needs to have options to pass to as well. This is where my reasoning for keeping him with nylander comes from. Nylander doesn’t provide as much time and space with his passes, but he gives him the option of an elite shooter to pass to.

I don’t want to shit on Matthews too much, especially since this is a Marner thread but this is just why I think we should probably keep the current lines together.
 
diceman934 said:
He is the best defensive forward in the league and it is not even close. He is and has been our best player since he joined the team.
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Well, some people think Matthews was pretty good last season. ;)

A lot of people have been trashing Rielly lately. I'm not too worried about him myself but since Rielly and Marner are your favorite players I thought I'd ask - what's your take on Rielly's play this season?
 
CincoHolio said:
I'm starting to come around on the take that Mitch is indeed the team's best player. Let's see how the playoffs unfold.
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I guess it depends what your time frame is for measuring but if it's an MVP for the entire season, then this season Marner for me, at least so far.

If you had to choose one player going forward, that's harder. Marner's the safe choice IMO but I'd really need to know what's going on with Matthews before making a final decision. Honorable mention to Nylander, he's been so good this season but Marner's still the easy choice over him.

But yeah, playoffs. Can't really make any judgements before those are over and done with. If ROR's magic rubs off on the others it might be him, even if it doesn't show up in his stats.
 
Jamason said:
Pavlov's dog and Schrödinger's cat
Side by side at eternity sat.
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Inspired by you and @DarkKnight
Created by Chatgtp...
In the rink, a player roams, A master of speed and slick, smooth tones, He skates, he shoots, he scores with ease, A wonder of physics, this Mitch Marner we see.

For like a particle, he zooms and flies, A blur of motion before our eyes, His stick a wand that conjures plays, A wizard of the game in all his ways.

But then, he shifts, becomes a wave, A force that moves, fluid and brave, He glides and swerves, his motions flow, A dancer on the ice, a graceful show.

And yet, when we observe, he changes yet again, A player of skill, a hero in the game, For when we watch, he's both and neither too, A paradox of science, a marvel that's true.

So we cheer and we marvel, at Mitch Marner's game, A player of both particle and wave, a name, That echoes through the rink, a legend we'll see, A master of hockey, forever to be.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
I would point out your attempt at the appeal to authority fallacy, but it's unnecessary because the truth is Trotz has never said anything that you've said about Marner or anybody anyway. You're just picking out words and statements and arbitrarily claiming it means things that it doesn't. Trotz would be the first to agree that Marner is excellent.
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I think Trotz would only say Mitch is great only after he had time with him and taught him how to play with more compete, being harder on the puck and maybe even caring about winning for change:sarcasm:
 
notdoneyet said:
He will retire as the greatest leaf of all time. He will break every offensive record
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I remember saying this on Leafs Connected as well as on this site back in Marners 1st and 2nd seasons, and the Matthews/Nylander fanboys came for me.

At that time and still today I believe that out of the 3 he's the only one that plays the majority if not all of his career in Toronto. I used to think that it would be Will who departed first, now I'm not so sure.
 
therealkoho said:
I think Trotz would only say Mitch is great only after he had time with him and taught him how to play with more compete, being harder on the puck and maybe even caring about winning for change:sarcasm:
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Trotz on Marner...

I like Mitch Marner's game. He's first on the forecheck, first on the backcheck. Jan 23, 2023
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Well, some people think Matthews was pretty good last season. ;)

A lot of people have been trashing Rielly lately. I'm not too worried about him myself but since Rielly and Marner are your favorite players I thought I'd ask - what's your take on Rielly's play this season?
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Rielly has played fantastic the past two weeks and back to himself. As always he is at his best come playoffs. People who trash Rielly have no idea of how good he is. He does things that only a few d man in the league can so. He was a fantastic stick defensively and can break the puck out of our zone better then any of our D man. Great passer and reads the ice very well. On any other team in the league he would considered a top 10 d man. In Toronto we love to attack great D man.
 
I've started at least one "appreciation" thread in the past, but I now believe that appreciation threads are not a good idea. The reason is that no matter what the topic is, threads do drift off topic every now and then. I believe that this is completely normal, that's the way human discussions tend to go and after all, we're all human. Sometimes we get side tracked, go off on a tangent for a while but then eventually someone says OK guys, let's get back on topic and then we do. But the Marner appreciation thread has gone completley insane and you aren't allowed to bring up anything that might even remotely suggest that Marner is anything less than a demi-god and the smartest player that has ever played the game and if you have the temerity to do so, you are beaten over the head with "you must be stupid to not understand that this is an appreciation thread".

So that's my motivation, there is no other active Marner thread right now and there should be a safe place where people that want to discuss Marner objectively, can do so without the appreciation police making discussion impossible. Since he's such an amazing player, I'm sure the posts will be 99% positive anyway and the 1% that is negative will still probably incur the wrath of some of the biggest fanboys but at least they won't have the "don't you understand that this is an appreciation thread" stick to beat them over the head with.

My personal opinion on Marner is that he's an amazing player. The only negative thing I can ever remember saying about him is that in a few playoffs there, his play was below the standard set by him in the regular season. That's a pretty big criticism actually because playoffs to me anyway are so important and it was multiple years but other than that, it's all positives. He was also very good in last year's playoffs, he's been fantastic since the beginning of last season and hell he's a young player still improving so it's not really a surprise that he's better today than he was two years ago. The only weak spot in his game was his shot and out of the blue, that became almost sniper quality at some point last season so he's now a complete player with no weaknesses that I can see. He's now cracked the top 10 in the scoring race, he leads the league in takeaways, he's a penalty killing machine and while saying he's the smartest player ever is hyperbole, he's definitely right up there with the best of them when it comes to hockey sense, vision etc. I say Marner is if not top 5, then at least a top 10 forward in the league, he deserves the tag "franchise player" and while I used to think that Matthews is our best player (and he did win the Hart last season), going forward if I had to choose between the two I probably choose Marner.

Some people have said he'll win an Art-Ross one day. That's unlikely IMO, his career overlaps too much with McDavid for starters. But I don't really care either, I just want to see the team win in the playoffs and if we do manage to win the cup with this core, Marner is as likely as anyone else to walk away with the Conn Smythe trophy and even if he doesn't, I know he'll be a big part of bringing the cup back to where it belongs.

On top of all that, his style of play makes him entertaining as hell to watch. My favorite thing to watch is when he kills penalties, he's like a genius on skates. But the rest of his game is awesome too of course, I mean who doesn't enjoy watching some of the passes he makes.

Another thing not talked about much is his durability. There was concern when he was drafted that he was so small, could his body hold up to the NHL game etc. but so far, that hasn't even been an issue which is obviously a huge positive!

I hope Mitch will settle for something less than top dollar on his next contract, hopefully he's man enough now to tell his dad to butt out of the negotiations if that's what it takes (apparently his dad is part of why his last contract was an overpayment). But to be clear, that's not his fault, you can't blame anyone for getting all the money they can get and if anyone's to blame for paying too much, then it's the GM. But yeah what I am hoping for is Mitch signing for ideally a small discount and if not, then at least something less than top dollar and hopefully he's a Maple Leaf for life and helps win at least one cup during his career here.

Mitch Marner is a helluva hockey player. As Don Cherry would say, kids a beauty!
 
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I'm honestly just shocked Bomber said something positive about the Leafs. I feel like someone should take a screenshot before he deletes his post.

I'm so accustomed to seeing him come into threads and with the positivity of an Irish heroin addict.
 
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