Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Gary Nylund]

Look, this is what it comes down to.

A guy like Draisaitl plays like Draisaitl in the playoffs.

Marner is getting by in the playoffs being a little upgrade to David Kampf. Take away the defence and all he has is the xGF to boast about.

Training wheels are off. Everyone is adults now. Trading block Nylander is even sniping goals per game on price and Vasi.

Put up or get out now. That's it. Don't even care if he puts up 300 points in the regular season.

Saying Marner's a little upgrade to Kampf is a bit harsh. That said, I completely agree with not caring about how many points he puts up during the regular season. I said first I think it was at the beginning of last season, whteher it's 130 points or 60 points for Marner, I really don't care. Bring it in the playoffs is all that matters.

He is a great player but it's a little bit weird to see people creaming their jeans over regular season points, streaks, all time RW records and whatever else. If he was leading the league in scoring, I could understand it to at least some degree but even then I still personally wouldn't care all the much. But the guy isn't even top 10 in scoring FFS and people are going crazy, weird.

Team>>>>>>>player.
Playoffs>>>>>>>regular season.

Win in the playoffs, period.

 

[LeafsNation75]

It looks like Matthews and Marner will be on separate lines tomorrow.

 

[Notsince67]

Saying Marner's a little upgrade to Kampf is a bit harsh. That said, I completely agree with not caring about how many points he puts up during the regular season. I said first I think it was at the beginning of last season, whteher it's 130 points or 60 points for Marner, I really don't care. Bring it in the playoffs is all that matters.

He is a great player but it's a little bit weird to see people creaming their jeans over regular season points, streaks, all time RW records and whatever else. If he was leading the league in scoring, I could understand it to at least some degree but even then I still personally wouldn't care all the much. But the guy isn't even top 10 in scoring FFS and people are going crazy, weird.

Team>>>>>>>player.
Playoffs>>>>>>>regular season.

Win in the playoffs, period.

So that we are clear with the criteria...you are saying that the leafs playoff record affects the value of a player like Marner.
From a win record perspective, Marner has won more playoff games as a percentage of his games played than Ovechkin.
Does this means that Marner > Ovechkin or do we need to add a random qualifier like cups won so that we can all begin calling McDavid shit?

 

[Gary Nylund]

So that we are clear with the criteria...you are saying that the leafs playoff record affects the value of a player like Marner.
From a win record perspective, Marner has won more playoff games as a percentage of his games played than Ovechkin.
Does this means that Marner > Ovechkin or do we need to add a random qualifier like cups won so that we can all begin calling McDavid shit?

This post doesn't make much sense to me, I think you're trying too hard. As another poster said earlier, you make some good posts but you're strangely over the top defensive when it comes to Marner and in this case, it look like you completely misunderstood/misinterpreted what I said.

I'm saying playoff performance is a big part of player evaluation, period. And this applies to all players, not just Marner.

 

[Notsince67]

This post doesn't make much sense to me, I think you're trying too hard. As another poster said earlier, you make some good posts but you're strangely over the top defensive when it comes to Marner and in this case, it look like you completely misunderstood/misinterpreted what I said.

I'm saying playoff performance is a big part of player evaluation, period. And this applies to all players, not just Marner.

It is great to praddle on loquaciously but it's a bit important to avoid the incongruous statements that have no real life application as tested quite easily by history.
I get I'm disagreeable but so are you. You have a passive aggressive contrarian style that is quite easily picked apart under scrutiny. If you are trying to make a point, perhaps you need to think it out a bit. Marner is 25 years old and welcome to the real world where the majority of players don't get a wiff of a cup by that age. Suggesting people are "creaming their jeans" because they don't understand that Marner has asterisks to his record because of that is not exactly on firm intellectual footing in a tribute thread.
The argument has no legs.

 

[DarkKnight]

If all that matters are playoffs why are people even here? Too funny. I mean it’s true, but also hilarious on another level. Do you just sit with your arms folded when we score? If he went 8 games pointless I bet it would matter

 

[Gary Nylund]

It is great to praddle on loquaciously but it's a bit important to avoid the incongruous statements that have no real life application as tested quite easily by history.
I get I'm disagreeable but so are you. You have a passive aggressive contrarian style that is quite easily picked apart under scrutiny. If you are trying to make a point, perhaps you need to think it out a bit. Marner is 25 years old and welcome to the real world where the majority of players don't get a wiff of a cup by that age. Suggesting people are "creaming their jeans" because they don't understand that Marner has asterisks to his record because of that is not exactly on firm intellectual footing in a tribute thread.
The argument has no legs.

That's a lot words for someone using the phrase "praddle on loquaciously" while replying to my rather short and succinct post.

You sound upset, not sure why that is. All I said was that playoff performance is a big part of player evaluation and from your response, it's not even clear where you stand on that point.

If all that matters are playoffs why are people even here? Too funny. I mean it’s true, but also hilarious on another level. Do you just sit with your arms folded when we score? If he went 8 games pointless I bet it would matter

Why not quote someone when they say that and ask them if they mean it literally? I'd say every game matters myself, but I also think it's pretty obvious that some games matter more than others (especially playoff games).

I'm curious as to where you stand on my contention which is that playoff performance is a big part of player evaluation. Care to weigh in? Or would you rather take shots at phantom posters?

 

[nsleaf]

I see a certain poster is looking for an argument.........again.

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[Gabriel426]

How can a players playoffs performance not be part of the players evaluation. Gary was just stating in general, playoffs results means a lot more than regular season stats.
If you ask any players in any pro leagues would they rather be leading the league in points in the regular season or winning the championships, pretty sure almost all players will say winning the championships. Having said that winning Championships is not the be all and end all for players evaluation since Robert Horry got SEVEN RINGS and nailing huge shots in the playoffs as a player but there is no way he was a better player than Sir Charles(ZERO RING) regardless of what arguments or stats you present.

Is Coleman and Goodrow better than AM and MM, I don't think so, but both of them won Cup and actually scored goals in the SC finals.
Nobody is belittling MM stats but they just wish he could also dominate in the playoffs like he does in the regular season, and I really see nothing wrong with that.

 

[Antropovsky]

So that we are clear with the criteria...you are saying that the leafs playoff record affects the value of a player like Marner.
From a win record perspective, Marner has won more playoff games as a percentage of his games played than Ovechkin.
Does this means that Marner > Ovechkin or do we need to add a random qualifier like cups won so that we can all begin calling McDavid shit?

Marner has won more playoff games? News flash... This isn't singles tennis. Leafs have won in spite of Marner not playing to the 11 million dollar he's paid. Marner is paid to produce... Let's compare Ovexhkin and Marners production.

Ovechkin has a career .49 goals in postseason games and .96 ppg. That's a 40 goals 78 point pace.

Marner has .17 goals per game average and .84 ppg in his playoff career. That's a 14 g 68 point pace for a 11 million dollar player!

intangibles.. Ovechkin scores way more..is bigger, more physical and edgy.

Marner is known to be defensively responsible, however he also has broken down and game the puck away on two occasions leading to game winning goals against in critical elimination games.

 

[DarkKnight]

Breaking: Playoffs matter.

Wow, who knew. See everyone in May, nothing to see here.

 

[ACC1224]

Breaking: Playoffs matter.

Wow, who knew. See everyone in May, nothing to see here.

Just be sure not to enjoy anything until then.

 

[DarkKnight]

Just be sure not to enjoy anything until then.

And please don’t come here

Then imagine saying the same thing about the playoffs 8743 times for months and being so self unaware to write this…I mean wow.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Just be sure not to enjoy anything until then.

This was maybe slightly witty the first few times someone said it, the next few thousand times, not so much.

 

[Antropovsky]

Just be sure not to enjoy anything until then.

Nobody is supposed to bring up playoff performances during the season in threads? Is that a rule?

Being critical of Marner in a year when he's not top 10 in points and has paced 13 goals and 68 points in his playoff career seems a lot closer to reality than saying Marner has the higher IQ since Gretzky. Yet you and @DarkKnight both liked the Gretzky post... Gretzky.

 

[DarkKnight]

To be clear is was Gretzky that compared Mitch to himself. It’s checkers time again. Later.

 

[LeafsNation75]

To be clear is was Gretzky that compared Mitch to himself. It’s checkers time again. Later.

For anyone who forgot here is what Gretzky said.

 

[Antropovsky]

To be clear is was Gretzky that compared Mitch to himself. It’s checkers time again. Later.

For anyone who forgot here is what Gretzky said.

I'm cringing ....Below In italics is Gretzkys quote - he literally just compares physical similarities between Marner/Matthews and himself/Messier. Jeez..where does Gretzky ever say Marner is as skilled as he was?

"Not that we're the exact same kind of players, but in a lot of ways Marner and Matthews remind me a lot of how Mark Messier and I were together. One guy is a little bit faster, more physical, stronger, obviously, and the other guy was a little bit more of a hockey guy. And so, I see a lot of similarities between myself and Mark with Marner and Matthews. And listen, obviously I cheer for the Oilers. I work with them and I want us to win a Stanley cup. But, Toronto's a fun team to watch. They play hard, they play properly and Mitch Marner's fun to watch

What you probably don't know, is gretzky gas a tendency to throw around high praise... Here is a real example of him comparing himself to Pettersson after seeing him a couple times on tv. This was the same year as the Marner/Mstthews comments.
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Wayne Gretzky knows a thing or two about the NHL’s record book.
As the all-time leader in points, goals and assists, Gretzky has an eye for players who may some day come after his own records, and in watching Vancouver Canucks super rookie Elias Pettersson’s assault on the Canucks first-year record book he sees a lot of his own budding greatness in the Swedish phenom.

“From my point of view, he’s got a lot of my similarities,” Gretzky said on Sportsnet 650 Monday morning. “His hockey sense and his playmaking ability is as good as anybody right now, and that’s probably where the comparisons come from — much more the playmaking than anything else.”

“I’ve had the chance to see him a couple times on TV and he’s fun to watch, and he plays the game with a great deal of passion and energy,” said Gretzky. “It’s exactly what the people of Vancouver needed to move on after the Sedin era.”
It’s clear in those games Gretzky’s seen of Pettersson, he’s been very impressed, as he not only sees a little bit of himself in the 2017 NHL Draft’s fifth-overall pick, but also a little bit of Pittsburgh Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby, another one of Gretzky’s favourite players to watch.
“A guy like Pettersson plays probably more in line with the way Sidney plays or even the way I played in that he’s gotta utilize his eyes and his hockey sense and rely on his instinct and ability on the ice because he’s not a big guy.”

 

[ZEBROA]

This is a

Marner APPRECIATION Thread​

I think we all want more from Marner during playoffs. But appreciate what he has done up till now. I get a feeling he will even step up a gear more from now on.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I'm cringing ....Below In italics is Gretzkys quote - he literally just compares physical similarities between Marner/Matthews and himself/Messier. Jeez..where does Gretzky ever say Marner is as skilled as he was?

"Not that we're the exact same kind of players, but in a lot of ways Marner and Matthews remind me a lot of how Mark Messier and I were together. One guy is a little bit faster, more physical, stronger, obviously, and the other guy was a little bit more of a hockey guy. And so, I see a lot of similarities between myself and Mark with Marner and Matthews. And listen, obviously I cheer for the Oilers. I work with them and I want us to win a Stanley cup. But, Toronto's a fun team to watch. They play hard, they play properly and Mitch Marner's fun to watch

What you probably don't know, is gretzky gas a tendency to throw around high praise... Here is a real example of him comparing himself to Pettersson after seeing him a couple times on tv. This was the same year as the Marner/Mstthews comments.
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Wayne Gretzky knows a thing or two about the NHL’s record book.
As the all-time leader in points, goals and assists, Gretzky has an eye for players who may some day come after his own records, and in watching Vancouver Canucks super rookie Elias Pettersson’s assault on the Canucks first-year record book he sees a lot of his own budding greatness in the Swedish phenom.

“From my point of view, he’s got a lot of my similarities,” Gretzky said on Sportsnet 650 Monday morning. “His hockey sense and his playmaking ability is as good as anybody right now, and that’s probably where the comparisons come from — much more the playmaking than anything else.”

“I’ve had the chance to see him a couple times on TV and he’s fun to watch, and he plays the game with a great deal of passion and energy,” said Gretzky. “It’s exactly what the people of Vancouver needed to move on after the Sedin era.”
It’s clear in those games Gretzky’s seen of Pettersson, he’s been very impressed, as he not only sees a little bit of himself in the 2017 NHL Draft’s fifth-overall pick, but also a little bit of Pittsburgh Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby, another one of Gretzky’s favourite players to watch.
“A guy like Pettersson plays probably more in line with the way Sidney plays or even the way I played in that he’s gotta utilize his eyes and his hockey sense and rely on his instinct and ability on the ice because he’s not a big guy.”

I swear I remember reading the Gretzky/Messier comparison for RNH/Hall before too.

 

[Shooter2x]

I think what people are trying to say is that the way Dumbass built this team, we need our Marners to put up points at a superstar level in the playoffs to offset, otherwise we are toast.

Valid with lots of empirical evidence to support.

 

[Notsince67]

That's a lot words for someone using the phrase "praddle on loquaciously" while replying to my rather short and succinct post.

You sound upset, not sure why that is. All I said was that playoff performance is a big part of player evaluation and from your response, it's not even clear where you stand on that point.


Why not quote someone when they say that and ask them if they mean it literally? I'd say every game matters myself, but I also think it's pretty obvious that some games matter more than others (especially playoff games).

I'm curious as to where you stand on my contention which is that playoff performance is a big part of player evaluation. Care to weigh in? Or would you rather take shots at phantom posters?

I asked for a clarification yet you made no attempt to do so. Now you are urging others to do the same?

 

[Notsince67]

Marner has won more playoff games? News flash... This isn't singles tennis. Leafs have won in spite of Marner not playing to the 11 million dollar he's paid. Marner is paid to produce... Let's compare Ovexhkin and Marners production.

Ovechkin has a career .49 goals in postseason games and .96 ppg. That's a 40 goals 78 point pace.

Marner has .17 goals per game average and .84 ppg in his playoff career. That's a 14 g 68 point pace for a 11 million dollar player!

intangibles.. Ovechkin scores way more..is bigger, more physical and edgy.

Marner is known to be defensively responsible, however he also has broken down and game the puck away on two occasions leading to game winning goals against in critical elimination games.

Yawn. Marner vs Ovi head to head in the playoffs (2017)
Marner 4 points 106:47 TOI ***Rookie year*** 1.3 Cap%
Ovi 3 points 118:20 TOI 18..96 Cap%

...stop crying. I know it's hurts a lot. What happened to Ovi? You want cherry picking...you got cherry picking.

Of course this has nothing to do with a Marner Ovi comparison despite your attempts to gaslight the current discussion as such. This is the last response I make to you. Enough is enough

 

[Antropovsky]

Yawn. Marner vs Ovi head to head in the playoffs (2017)
Marner 4 points 106:47 TOI ***Rookie year*** 1.3 Cap%
Ovi 3 points 118:20 TOI 18..96 Cap%

...stop crying. I know it's hurts a lot. What happened to Ovi? You want cherry picking...you got cherry picking.

Of course this has nothing to do with a Marner Ovi comparison despite your attempts to gaslight the current discussion as such. This is the last response I make to you. Enough is enough

To me? There are a few posters who you are battling in this thread. Now run and hide....its better than the bull+$& your throwing at the wall hoping it sticks (and it hasn't been).