Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Dekes For Days]

Toews is still signed for 10.5 and I'd have no interest in him being the Leafs 2nd. line center. Being under contract has no bearing on ability.
If Tavares is still around a PPG player, not a problem, if he's regressed to Toews level he's a 3rd. line center.
But perhaps marner doesn't have the ability to be a center?
I just think he does.

The point being discussed is that it doesn't help anything to randomly switch their position. Tavares - Marner - Player X isn't better than Player X - Tavares - Marner. It's the same players on the same line. The only thing you'd be doing is hurting the impact you'd get out of them, because you're taking the players out of the position they've always played and excelled in, that fits their playstyle and additional skills (like faceoffs). I don't want Toews as my 2nd line C, but I don't want Toews as my 2nd line winger either. Position isn't the issue.

Marner may have the ability to adapt to the center role, but we don't need him to. We currently have two centers that are well above average for top-six centers, so there's no reason to start messing with things right now. If Tavares randomly falls off a cliff and can't handle being in the top-six anymore, and there are no other internal or external possibilities, maybe we look into it, but that's a bridge you cross when you get to it, not now.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Any way we can negotiate his contract and reduce his cap hit

 

[ULF_55]

The point being discussed is that it doesn't help anything to randomly switch their position. Tavares - Marner - Player X isn't better than Player X - Tavares - Marner. It's the same players on the same line. The only thing you'd be doing is hurting the impact you'd get out of them, because you're taking the players out of the position they've always played and excelled in, that fits their playstyle and additional skills (like faceoffs). I don't want Toews as my 2nd line C, but I don't want Toews as my 2nd line winger either. Position isn't the issue.

Marner may have the ability to adapt to the center role, but we don't need him to. We currently have two centers that are well above average for top-six centers, so there's no reason to start messing with things right now. If Tavares randomly falls off a cliff and can't handle being in the top-six anymore, and there are no other internal or external possibilities, maybe we look into it, but that's a bridge you cross when you get to it, not now.

You are okay with waiting until the need is upon the team.

I prefer to prepare for the inevitable. If one lives in space and time one knows it is inevitable.

Hopefully, they can sign or develop a 2nd. line center before there is need.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You are okay with waiting until the need is upon the team. I prefer to prepare for the inevitable.

Marner/Nylander going to center is far, far from "inevitable", and there's certainly no benefit to doing it now, when we already have the top-six center role more than adequately filled.

 

[ULF_55]

Marner/Nylander going to center is far, far from "inevitable", and there's certainly no benefit to doing it now, when we already have the top-six center role more than adequately filled.

Apparently, I wasn't clear, the inevitable is that Tavares will cease to be a center as he will retire. His skills will desert him, and I highly doubt he's the next Gordie Howe playing 25 NHL seasons.

Again, this is in appreciation of marner, and I think he could play center. Heck, a 32 year old Norris Trophy winner converted to center at age 32 and played there for 8 seasons.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Apparently, I wasn't clear, the inevitable is that Tavares will cease to be a center as he will retire.

Tavares will likely be a center until the day he retires, and that's likely a long ways away, considering he's a PPG player that only recently turned 32.
Regardless of what happens in the future and whether or not Marner can do it, the fact is there's no benefit to moving Tavares to wing and Marner to center right now.

 

[ULF_55]

Tavares will likely be a center until the day he retires, and that's likely a long ways away, considering he's a PPG player that only recently turned 32.
Regardless of what happens in the future and whether or not Marner can do it, the fact is there's no benefit to moving Tavares to wing and Marner to center right now.

Did I say move to marner to centre right now? Not sure, maybe I did?
My intention would be to develop him as center over the next few years, give him reps.
I'd be very surprised if Tavares is immortal.
Anyway, enough of this in this thread.

I appreciate that marner is talented enough to play any forward position.

 

[ULF_55]

Would anyone here trade Marner for Tage Thompson?

Like right now, not in the offseason or something like that.

Interesting scenario, Leafs get a big forward, who looks like he's turned into a stud scorer, and 3.5 in capspace?

Seems like a huge gamble for the Leafs.

And really, if you could take Kerfoot's cap and the 3.5 cap space and land Patrick Kane?

hmm?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Did I say move to marner to centre right now?

I mean, that's kind of the origin of the whole discussion. People, right now, wanting to flip Tavares to wing and Marner/Nylander to center, even though we already have two top-tier centers and flip-flopping our players out of the positions they've played and excelled in their whole lives provides us zero benefit.

I appreciate that Marner is one of the best wingers in the league.

 

[Mess]

Would anyone here trade Marner for Tage Thompson?

Like right now, not in the offseason or something like that.

6'-7" Tage Thompson is on pace for 67 goals and 128 points.

Mitch Marner is on pace for 31 goals and 96 points.

 

[PromisedLand]

Any way we can negotiate his contract and reduce his cap hit

watch your back bud. Paul will be stalking you

 

[Notsince67]

6'-7" Tage Thompson is on pace for 67 goals and 128 points.

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Mitch Marner is on pace for 31 goals and 96 points.

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Leafs were on pace for playoffs when Marner was a 61 point winger. Tt will likely not make it with 100pts. Coincidence?

 

[Mess]

Leafs were on pace for playoffs when Marner was a 61 point winger. Tt will likely not make it with 100pts. Coincidence?

Yup , Mitch is a good player surrounded by lots of high-end talent. As a premier passer and playmaker having a pair of #1C on his line and team is an advantage not many players have.

You're correct in identifying that teams strengths are not equal when comparing player stats head to head,

 

[mclaren55]

Yup , Mitch is a good player surrounded by lots of high-end talent. As a premier passer and playmaker having a pair of #1C on his line and team is an advantage not many players have.

You're correct in identifying that teams strengths are not equal when comparing player stats head to head,

He wasn’t playing with #1c during his first few years though.

 

[Yall are crazy]

Toews is still signed for 10.5 and I'd have no interest in him being the Leafs 2nd. line center. Being under contract has no bearing on ability.

If Tavares is still around a PPG player, not a problem, if he's regressed to Toews level he's a 3rd. line center.

But perhaps marner doesn't have the ability to be a center?

I just think he does.

He does and he has a center like play as a winger.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yup , Mitch is a good player surrounded by lots of high-end talent. As a premier passer and playmaker having a pair of #1C on his line and team is an advantage not many players have.

You're correct in identifying that teams strengths are not equal when comparing player stats head to head,

Such a bs post from you. JT had a career year with Marner, scored 12 more even strength goals that season, which is an astounding one off given how long he’d played. As for Matthews, imagine arguing Hull carried Oates(obviously different aside), that type of intellectually lazy soft bash is useless. Be better.

I can’t wait until this guy retires and Leafs fans finally get it. You aren’t seeing this again folks, enjoy it!

 

[DarkKnight]

Typical Marner assist, amazing redirection to shake the coverage, drawing three spellbound Blues, leaving JT with a ton of space in a prime location.

 

[DarkKnight]

 

[LeafsNation75]

Great move by Marner when he scored the 1st goal against Colorado.

 

[Notsince67]

Pretty elite. Just like his goal last night when the so called better right winger Rantanen was on the ice.

 

[Jojalu]

Pretty elite. Just like his goal last night when the so called better right winger Rantanen was on the ice.

I think you are undervalueing Rantanen as many undervalue Marner.

Rantanen has been pretty spectacular for the Avs with all the injuries this year scoring 25% of all their goals.

5v5 they have been ob the ice for about the same amount of goals against with the Leafs having the better goaltending and Rantanen has been on the ice for quite a few more goals for.

I am taking Marner if I had to choose but it's closer than a lot will admit

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pretty elite. Just like his goal last night when the so called better right winger Rantanen was on the ice.

They're both very good and roughly equal value players (if we ignore contracts), calling either one better seems like a stretch.

 

[ER89]

Leafs were on pace for playoffs when Marner was a 61 point winger. Tt will likely not make it with 100pts. Coincidence?

pretty stupid way of arguing it.

Out of ALL the ways you can vouch for mitch being better you chose the .... its tage's fault his team is ass so he is better than marner approach

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yup , Mitch is a good player surrounded by lots of high-end talent. As a premier passer and playmaker having a pair of #1C on his line and team is an advantage not many players have.

You're correct in identifying that teams strengths are not equal when comparing player stats head to head,

So in your opinion Marner had nothing to do with John Tavares scoring 47 and recording 88 points in the 2018-19 Season, which was new career highs for him in the regular season or last season when Auston Matthews had 60 goals and 106 points?

In case you forgot he was also on their line at 5v5 in those seasons, so those stats didn't happen because of the power play.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Leafs were on pace for playoffs when Marner was a 61 point winger. Tt will likely not make it with 100pts. Coincidence?

When Marner had those 61 points in his rookie season and the Leafs made the playoffs, his 42 assists set a new Leafs rookie record which was originally set in the 1943-44 Season.