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Gary Nylund said:
You can have that debate but why would you want to? Why not just appreciate both for what they bring to the team?

I agree with those who say Marner is earning his contract now but wasn't before, not when his production went way down in the playoffs when we needed him the most 3 years a row. If you want to argue otherwise, I hope you can find some way of doing it without tearing down unicorn Matthews in the process.
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Marner leads the Leafs in points in the playoffs. Way down is laughable.
Marner is 1 point behind Mathews in points scored ad a Leaf.
 
Drytoast said:
If you are getting paid near the top of the league, I expect you to be a leader in the league.

Marner is great. But is Marner the best RWer in the league right now? Is he leading the league in points? Is he leading the league in goals? Assists? Beyond salary at his position, what stat is he dominating the league in right now?

Now he's playing great! Don't get me wrong, and he is 1 of the best right wingers in the league. His point totals might be down but I think he is exactly earning his contract. Not exceeding or playing above it.
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So its a feeling? Not anything that is demonstrateably quantifiable by anything other than your mood?
Thanks for sharing in a tribute thread.
 
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Notsince67 said:
So how about opening the recipe of your analytical secret sauce and enlighten us all how you determine such thresholds beyond the tingly feeling that you get.
You brought it up so you must feel you are onto something.
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I'm kind of interested in seeing the statistical evidence of how our highest paid player has used his formidable powers to come up with the same team results as Marner, just barely outscore him by the slimmest of margins one year and avoid any of the negative scrutiny Marner draws like iron filings to a magnet.
 
Drytoast said:
You understand that the claim is more a percentage of the cap? Ya? We likely won't win anything with this top heavy salary structure...and it has been the case that all the teams who've won are those who have a much more balanced cap structure.

Sorry if that reality hurts. It will still be entertaining.
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I guess it was the 750k Rantanen left on the table that let the Avalanche win last year, if he took 750k more they can say goodbye to any cup hopes. Probably eliminated in the 1st round. As soon as the re-signed MacK to 12.6 they might as well trade Makar and co away and start the rebuild.
 
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Drytoast said:
You understand that the claim is more a percentage of the cap? Ya? We likely won't win anything with this top heavy salary structure...and it has been the case that all the teams who've won are those who have a much more balanced cap structure.

Sorry if that reality hurts. It will still be entertaining.
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So the same should be said for Edmonton I guess
 
Martin Skoula said:
I guess it was the 750k Rantanen left on the table that let the Avalanche win last year, if he took 750k more they can say goodbye to any cup hopes. Probably eliminated in the 1st round. As soon as the re-signed MacK to 12.6 they might as well trade Makar and co away and start the rebuild.
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Ya...Colorado is not winning the cup this year. Based on the trend of winner team comps and cap builds since the start of the cap era.

What ya want from me? I didn't start the trend, I merely acknowledge it. If all the cup winners had cap structures that were all top heavy, I would have shit to say. But then that's not the case.

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So the same should be said for Edmonton I guess
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Correct.
 
Gary Nylund said:
You can have that debate but why would you want to? Why not just appreciate both for what they bring to the team?

I agree with those who say Marner is earning his contract now but wasn't before, not when his production went way down in the playoffs when we needed him the most 3 years a row. If you want to argue otherwise, I hope you can find some way of doing it without tearing down unicorn Matthews in the process.
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diceman934 said:
Marner leads the Leafs in points in the playoffs. Way down is laughable.
Marner is 1 point behind Mathews in points scored ad a Leaf.
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They say that a picture is worth a thousand words to have a look at the 2 pics below. Between 18-19 and 20-21, Mitch was well above PPG during the regular season and then his production went way down in the playoffs. That's a simple fact, there is nothing to debate here. I know you're Mitch's biggest fan boy but calling simple facts "laughable" only makes you look foolish.

To be fair, the first of those 3 years wasn't part of his current contract which makes the contract even more nuts, giving all that dough to a guy coming off a 4 points in 7 games playoff performance, production that was way down from his regular season numbers is very strange. Now that's on Dubas (and I know you think he's a moron you'll agree here) and I don't blame Marner for taking what he can get but to argue that he was worth 11 million those first couple of years ... like I said, you're his biggest fan and I've never seen you accept any criticism of him but I don't think many people would agree with you on this one.

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Drytoast said:
If you are getting paid near the top of the league, I expect you to be a leader in the league.

Marner is great. But is Marner the best RWer in the league right now? Is he leading the league in points? Is he leading the league in goals? Assists? Beyond salary at his position, what stat is he dominating the league in right now?

Now he's playing great! Don't get me wrong, and he is 1 of the best right wingers in the league. His point totals might be down but I think he is exactly earning his contract. Not exceeding or playing above it.

So when someone demands this kind of salary compared to his peers...this is exactly the kind of performance i demand or expect from such an ask.
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I guess I'm one of the few that agree - I don't think it's clear at all that he's the best right winger. To me he's in the top tier with Kuch, Pasta and Ranta and they're all pretty close. If I had to choose one to play for me in the playoffs, I'd have to think about it as it's not an easy decision but I would also add that this is the first time ever that this is the case, in years previous I would take Kucherov over Marner without thinking about it twice, his resume speaks for itself.

I know people love to hype their own players but the other 3 guys have proven more than Marner in the playoffs which means a lot IMHO. And as good as Marner has been this season (and he's been amazing), Kuch and Pasta have out produced him up to this point and if we go by PPG, I believe Marner as of today is 4th out of those 4 (Ranta 2 points behind but 4 less games played and the other two are ahead of Marner with less games played).
 
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Gary Nylund said:
They say that a picture is worth a thousand words to have a look at the 2 pics below. Between 18-19 and 20-21, Mitch was well above PPG during the regular season and then his production went way down in the playoffs. That's a simple fact, there is nothing to debate here. I know you're Mitch's biggest fan boy but calling simple facts "laughable" only makes you look foolish.

To be fair, the first of those 3 years wasn't part of his current contract which makes the contract even more nuts, giving all that dough to a guy coming off a 4 points in 7 games playoff performance, production that was way down from his regular season numbers is very strange. Now that's on Dubas (and I know you think he's a moron you'll agree here) and I don't blame Marner for taking what he can get but to argue that he was worth 11 million those first couple of years ... like I said, you're his biggest fan and I've never seen you accept any criticism of him but I don't think many people would agree with you on this one.

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Such an absurd argument. He outplayed the top forwards on Tampa last year. Did they not earn their pay. Should players who don't make the playoffs even get paid?
Please stop
 
Gary Nylund said:
I guess I'm one of the few that agree - I don't think it's clear at all that he's the best right winger. To me he's in the top tier with Kuch, Pasta and Ranta and they're all pretty close. If I had to choose one to play for me in the playoffs, I'd have to think about it as it's not an easy decision but I would also add that this is the first time ever that this is the case, in years previous I would take Kucherov over Marner without thinking about it twice, his resume speaks for itself.

I know people love to hype their own players but the other 3 guys have proven more than Marner in the playoffs which means a lot IMHO. And as good as Marner has been this season (and he's been amazing), Kuch and Pasta have out produced him up to this point and if we go by PPG, I believe Marner as of today is 4th out of those 4 (Ranta 2 points behind but 4 less games played and the other two are ahead of Marner with less games played).
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Specious. You forget that Kucherov played against Marner last year's playoffs and Marner was the better player
 
Notsince67 said:
Such an absurd argument. He outplayed the top forwards on Tampa last year. Did they not earn their pay. Should players who don't make the playoffs even get paid?
Please stop
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I've heaped a ton of praise on Marner for his play in the playoffs last year and that was not part of the 3 year period I was referring to.

If you don't understand what you're reading, please stop responding as you're only making yourself look foolish.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
I've heaped a ton of praise on Marner for his play in the playoffs last year and that was not part of the 3 year period I was referring to.

If you don't understand what you're reading, please stop responding as you're only making yourself look foolish.
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Oh...so you are basing your future preferences when marner was 22 and 23 years old vs Kucherov at 26 and 27?
Who is the one looking foolish?
 
Notsince67 said:
Specious. You forget that Kucherov played against Marner last year's playoffs and Marner was the better player
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Last year Kucherov had 27 points in 23 playoff games. If you think Marner's 7 points in 8 games proves that he's the better player, well god bless you my man. :)

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I look forward to the day when we can brag about what our players (and most importantly the team) have accomplished in the playoffs. Regular season accomplishments are a nice cherry on top when the team does something in the playoffs but after 6 consecutive 1st round exist, regular season accomplishments just aren't very satisfying. Hopefully this is the season we finally break through, Mitch Marner Conn Smythe winner has a nice ring to it.

Notsince67 said:
Oh...so you are basing your future preferences when marner was 22 and 23 years old vs Kucherov at 26 and 27?
Who is the one looking foolish?
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I was actually talking about today, as in the present tense, as in right now.

Brush up a bit on your reading skills a bit will ya, this is getting ridiculous.
 
MAB1 said:
Kucherov didn't play at all that year...Compare post season numbers too while you're at it.
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Taking away people's ability to like posts seems like a really bad idea. We can still like them, it's just that we have to quote the post in order to say so which just clutters up the forum. If anyone's listening, consider this an "opportunity for improvement".

Like. :)

Marner's an amazing player, he really is. But when people start to brag about him being best and support their case with nothing more than regular season this and that, it's just embarrassing. Playoff performance matters a ton, not sure how that's even debatable. Marner's been playing fantastic since the beginning of last season and that includes the playoffs. Hopefully he can keep it up and this year the team wins a few rounds, then we can all join hands on the many bandwagons that will be rolling around these parts. :)
 
Gabriel426 said:
If you have the puck more, the more chances you get it taken away. Hope people understand that. I would have someone who has the puck and do something with it than someone who doesn’t even get the puck at all.
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Agreed, and that makes what Nylander is doing very impressive. He's tied for 12th in takeaways, but only 161st in giveaways.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
You can have that debate but why would you want to? Why not just appreciate both for what they bring to the team?

I agree with those who say Marner is earning his contract now but wasn't before, not when his production went way down in the playoffs when we needed him the most 3 years a row. If you want to argue otherwise, I hope you can find some way of doing it without tearing down unicorn Matthews in the process.
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Agreed.... marner is 5th highest paid forward in the league and he just entered into top 10 in points. Yes his two way play invreases his value, but he's playing to his contract right now, so I'm happy. Still needs to do it for a full year and especially playoffs. I'm happy though, but nowhere near thinking he's a steal at 11 million and still need to see how he responds to playoff hockey, which is an entirely different beast.
 
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