Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Drytoast]

I'm grateful he is earning his paycheck. lol.

God I can’t stand talking about Salaries and money when it comes to sports
I’m so glad I come from an era when nobody cared and it wasn’t discussed
Just enjoy your team and the crest .

Because we didn't have a salary cap limiting our options back then. So if we signed Owen Nolan to a ridic contract, who cares? We could easily afford to over pay. There was litterally no negative side effects. But now we have salary caps and if any one player wants to demand a large chunk of that cap, it now comes with obligations and expectations.

So welcome to the cap era.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'm grateful he is earning his paycheck. lol.


Because we didn't have a salary cap limiting our options back then. if you want to play down the importance of the salary cap and how that effects the team make up, that's on you. But it does. Bigly. So when you sign bad contracts it really has a negative outcome to the product on the ice.

So welcome to the cap era.

You can make a very compelling argument that Marner’s contract is worth every bit as much as Matthews, relatively speaking. Less AAV and an extra year of UFA, yet nobody mentions greed, salary cap, with 34. You can also argue he’s now worth that money regardless, but in the context of Matthews, you can no longer isolate Mitch, his deal looks downright fair in comparison.

 

[Drytoast]

You can make a very compelling argument that Marner’s contract is worth every bit as much as Matthews, relatively speaking. Less AAV and an extra year of UFA, yet nobody mentions greed, salary cap, with 34. You can also argue he’s now worth that money regardless, but in the context of Matthews, you can no longer isolate Mitch, his deal looks downright fair in comparison.

This year Marner is earning his paycheck. He's not exceeding it, he's simply living up to the value I would expect of an 11 mil player. You could say that he may be slightly below that value.

Matthews is not earning his value.

Nylander is overachieving his value.

This year.

 

[DarkKnight]

This year Marner is earning his paycheck. He's not exceeding it, he's simply living up to the value I would expect of an 11 mil player.

Matthews is not.

This year.

So stop talking about it. Go whine on the Matthews thread about how his greed is costing the team.

I’ll add this too, when Matthews signs his next deal and is making 4 mil more than Marner on that extra year he signed for, people might appreciate what giving up an extra UFA year was worth to the deal.

 

[Drytoast]

So stop talking about it. Go whine on the Matthews thread about how his greed is costing the team.

I’ll add this too, when Matthews signs his next deal and is making 4 mil more than Marner on that extra year he signed for, people might appreciate what giving up an extra UFA year was worth to the deal.

I predict Matthews will sign another 5 year deal or shorter for a shit ton of money, making him the highest paid player in the NHL. And the likelyhood we win anything with that kind of team make up is lowered. But it will be entertaning regardless.

No team in the salary cap era has won the cup with a player making 10m or more. That's not by accident.

 

[therealkoho]

Leafs best player now. I'd trade Matthews before Marner or Willie, given the possible return. Unless Matthews is playing through injury in which case I'd keep all 3. Need to revisit this scenario in the summer and see how the season has shaken out.

Nobody likes to hear that but if push came to shove then it would be the same for me. Obviously moving the guy with the Hart will get you more, a lot more, GM's are not unlike a lot of fans in that they see goals first and foremost, rarely do the assist kings get the love a shooter gets.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Mitch has been doing great, but ‘I’d trade Matthews before him!’

25 year old center with almost 300 goals and near elite D. What the hell am I even hearing?

 

[DarkKnight]

Mitch has been doing great, but ‘I’d trade Matthews before him!’

25 year old center with almost 300 goals and near elite D. What the hell am I even hearing?

I hear that. Also true, you can have a healthy debate about who is the most important player to the team, in totality. That says something.

 

[therealkoho]

I'm grateful he is earning his paycheck. lol.


Because we didn't have a salary cap limiting our options back then. So if we signed Owen Nolan to a ridic contract, who cares? We could easily afford to over pay. There was litterally no negative side effects. But now we have salary caps and if any one player wants to demand a large chunk of that cap, it now comes with obligations and expectations.

So welcome to the cap era.

So pretty good then I guess, that Matty was all about team first when he and his Dad walked in and dictated that highest paid Leaf UFA ending contract to Kyle "I'll sign them all" Dubas, and perhaps hinted that MM will sign for under 9, because it's what the fans want!

 

[therealkoho]

I'm grateful he is earning his paycheck. lol.


Because we didn't have a salary cap limiting our options back then. So if we signed Owen Nolan to a ridic contract, who cares? We could easily afford to over pay. There was litterally no negative side effects. But now we have salary caps and if any one player wants to demand a large chunk of that cap, it now comes with obligations and expectations.

So welcome to the cap era.

Oh come on, there was plenty and I mean plenty of Leafers who were unhappy about that silly contract Nolan was given, not to mention the price to acquire him. I know because I was one of them

Cheers

 

[Gary Nylund]

I hear that. Also true, you can have a healthy debate about who is the most important player to the team, in totality. That says something.

You can have that debate but why would you want to? Why not just appreciate both for what they bring to the team?

I agree with those who say Marner is earning his contract now but wasn't before, not when his production went way down in the playoffs when we needed him the most 3 years a row. If you want to argue otherwise, I hope you can find some way of doing it without tearing down unicorn Matthews in the process.

 

[Drytoast]

Oh come on, there was plenty and I mean plenty of Leafers who were unhappy about that silly contract Nolan was given, not to mention the price to acquire him. I know because I was one of them

Cheers

I I was super jacked about Owen Nolan. But let's be honest. The Leafs especially could outspend every team in the league by far salary budget wise and it wouldn't matter one bit regarding the product on ice. But now it matters.

If you want to demand a high percentage of the cap, you need to live up to that obligation.

 

[Maple Leaf]

He is good but can he score in the playoff competitions

 

[therealkoho]

Ya that would definitely be a better indication of a higher consequence takeway/giveaway which would show something different than takeway/giveaway per 60 which would tell you if a player is perhaps sloppy with the puck or is a very active backchecker

Yeah for sure, but then trying to quantify with specific conditions produces a micro stat that may end up telling you less than zero

 

[WillyC]

Despite the massive goals Matthews scores… Mitch Marner is the most spectacular Maple Leaf we will watch in our lifetime… he will likely retire as #1 in points too.

 

[Notsince67]

This year Marner is earning his paycheck. He's not exceeding it, he's simply living up to the value I would expect of an 11 mil player. You could say that he may be slightly below that value.

Matthews is not earning his value.

Nylander is overachieving his value.

This year.

So how about opening the recipe of your analytical secret sauce and enlighten us all how you determine such thresholds beyond the tingly feeling that you get.
You brought it up so you must feel you are onto something.

 

[nsleaf]

Marner is great. Why all this Matthews, salary cap and and Owen Nolan crap in an appreciation thread?
Seems the better the Leafs do, the wackier the critics get.

 

[diceman934]

So how about opening the recipe of your analytical secret sauce and enlighten us all how you determine such thresholds beyond the tingly feeling that you get.
You brought it up so you must feel you are onto something.

Marner has exceed his contract every year. How anyone can say different is beyond me.

He in my opinion is the Hart trophy candidate. Name another player who plays the way he does at a high level. Like I have said many times he is a generational player.
Every player he plays with had career years. Everyone!

The amount of abuse he has taken on this forum is a joke.

 

[MAB1]

Marner is well on his way to becoming the best winger in the NHL. Kucherov's days are numbered at the top.

 

[studebaker17]

I I was super jacked about Owen Nolan. But let's be honest. The Leafs especially could outspend every team in the league by far salary budget wise and it wouldn't matter one bit regarding the product on ice. But now it matters.

If you want to demand a high percentage of the cap, you need to live up to that obligation.

We as fans still raged on salaries and how they fit in to the team because every team had an internal cap despite what fans wanted . It's also human nature to compare your guys salaries to each other and others in the league to see how they slot in comparatively . Many arguements on the boards over Sundin's not worth beeing paid 4th or 5th highest salary compared to the guys who out paced him getting less ect . Ton's of hate on McCabe at the time for that to .
For what it's worth , leafs were never the highest salary team . Going into the lock out year Detroit, Rangers, Dallas, Flyers and Colorado all had higher payrolls.

 

[therealkoho]

Mitch has been doing great, but ‘I’d trade Matthews before him!’

25 year old center with almost 300 goals and near elite D. What the hell am I even hearing?

It's the cost/benefit argument though isn't it? Not to mention the Leafs may be facing that decision as early as next TDL. Just because you don't like it or want it to happen doesn't mean you shouldn't have a plan in place.

It's a much different world today, but when hockey was floundering in the US especially in the TV rich Los Angeles area with all those big fat American dollars at stake, and Jack Kent Cookes Kings playing to near empty houses, something needed to be done and done in a hurry. Enter Peter Pocklington and his money problems, add JKC to the mix with a cheque for 10m no, 12m, still no! Jack was tapped out at that point but it still needed to happen. So the league went to the important guys in Boston, Philly and NY and said we need 3m to complete the deal, think of it as an investment, because if we can keep LA there will be more expansion, next thing you know Pocklington is debt free, smoking cuban cigars and wallowing in Scotch on a yacht somewhere in the world, and Gretzky is saving hockey in Cali and getting to know the big bookies on the east coast which of course brings us to "Blinky" Fraser and the Leafs 75th Anniversary.

But that's a story for another time.

 

[Notsince67]

I predict Matthews will sign another 5 year deal or shorter for a shit ton of money, making him the highest paid player in the NHL. And the likelyhood we win anything with that kind of team make up is lowered. But it will be entertaning regardless.

No team in the salary cap era has won the cup with a player making 10m or more. That's not by accident.

Its not by accident because the mathematics of inflation have yet to catch up with the league. I could make a similar statement that it isn't an accident that nobody wins cups anymore with 5000 a year players

 

[Drytoast]

So how about opening the recipe of your analytical secret sauce and enlighten us all how you determine such thresholds beyond the tingly feeling that you get.
You brought it up so you must feel you are onto something.

If you are getting paid near the top of the league, I expect you to be a leader in the league.

Marner is great. But is Marner the best RWer in the league right now? Is he leading the league in points? Is he leading the league in goals? Assists? Beyond salary at his position, what stat is he dominating the league in right now?

Now he's playing great! Don't get me wrong, and he is 1 of the best right wingers in the league. His point totals might be down but I think he is exactly earning his contract. Not exceeding or playing above it.

So when someone demands this kind of salary compared to his peers...this is exactly the kind of performance i demand or expect from such an ask.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I predict Matthews will sign another 5 year deal or shorter for a shit ton of money, making him the highest paid player in the NHL. And the likelyhood we win anything with that kind of team make up is lowered. But it will be entertaning regardless.

No team in the salary cap era has won the cup with a player making 10m or more. That's not by accident.

And there was a time when no team in the salary cap era won with a 7 million dollar player, and then an 8 million dollar player and then a 9 million dollar player...

It's almost as if the cap is going up and so are salaries.

 

[Drytoast]

And there was a time when no team in the salary cap era won with a 7 million dollar player, and then an 8 million dollar player and then a 9 million dollar player...

It's almost as if the cap is going up and so are salaries.

You understand that the claim is more a percentage of the cap? Ya? We likely won't win anything with this top heavy salary structure...and it has been the case that all the teams who've won are those who have a much more balanced cap structure.

Sorry if that reality hurts. It will still be entertaining.