Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[notDatsyuk]

I hear that. Also true, you can have a healthy debate about who is the most important player to the team, in totality. That says something.

Right now, Nylander is leading the team in goals, Marner in assists, Matthews in even strength points, and Tavares in PP points.

What more could you ask for?

 

[ULF_55]

My hope is in 40 years, when I am long gone, some of you youngsters will know marner as I know Keon.

Dave Keon was never the best center in the NHL, IMO.

But he did win the Conn Smythe.

He lead the Leafs in scoring several years.

Dave Keon

David Michael Keon is a former professional hockey player who played eighteen professional seasons in the National Hockey League, including fifteen seasons with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1986, Keon is a four-time Stanley Cup champion, winning the...

toronto-maple-leafs.fandom.com

He was the Maple Leafs' leading scorer in the 1963–64, 1966–67 and 1969–70 seasons, and the team's top goal scorer in 1970–71 and 1972–73. Keon was one of the fastest skaters in the NHL, and one of the best defensive forwards of his era.

 

[Antropovsky]

So its a feeling? Not anything that is demonstrateably quantifiable by anything other than your mood?
Thanks for sharing in a tribute thread.

Your one to talk, you always want quantifiable data but never present any yourself. Can you give us the stats showing why Marner was excellent over the past 3 playoffs?

 

[notDatsyuk]

If you are getting paid near the top of the league, I expect you to be a leader in the league.

Marner is great. But is Marner the best RWer in the league right now? Is he leading the league in points? Is he leading the league in goals? Assists? Beyond salary at his position, what stat is he dominating the league in right now?

Now he's playing great! Don't get me wrong, and he is 1 of the best right wingers in the league. His point totals might be down but I think he is exactly earning his contract. Not exceeding or playing above it.

So when someone demands this kind of salary compared to his peers...this is exactly the kind of performance i demand or expect from such an ask.

Right now he's second in assists, third in points, and ninth in goals.

Nylander is second in goals, fourth in points, and ninth in assists.

Who cares 'best' or 'best value'? Let's just enjoy what we have - two great RW.

 

[Notsince67]

Love the narrative around here. Watching the caveated Marner compliments after shredding this kid in the past. It must be terrifying that Marner is demonstrating strong signs of a hall of fame career. He is 10 assists away from being #6 in all time leafs assist leaders. He always dials up in the second half so he is very likely going to move past 100 pts this year.
But but playoffs...
Stfu. This kid is a stud. I've been saying it for years. His abilities are way too hard to dispute now by anyone who has eyes. Any team would give their left testical to have him at his contract. He is the quintessential franchise player who makes his team better. Pray he doesn't get hurt because this team will struggle without him.

 

[ULF_55]

Love the narrative around here. Watching the caveated Marner compliments after shredding this kid in the past. It must be terrifying that Marner is demonstrating strong signs of a hall of fame career. He is 10 assists away from being #6 in all time leafs assist leaders. He always dials up in the second half so he is very likely going to move past 100 pts this year.
But but playoffs...
Stfu. This kid is a stud. I've been saying it for years. His abilities are way too hard to dispute now by anyone who has eyes. Any team would give their left testical to have him at his contract. He is the quintessential franchise player who makes his team better. Pray he doesn't get hurt because this team will struggle without him.

He is far from my favorite Leafs' player.

And I expect him to elevate his game when it matters.

Edit:

And it isn't in Matthews, Tavares, Rielly either.

 

[Notsince67]

Your one to talk, you always want quantifiable data but never present any yourself. Can you give us the stats showing why Marner was excellent over the past 3 playoffs?

I have a long history of sharing relevant stats unlike many who drool at every opportunity to take their pathetic shots. Stop being lazy and start looking up some of them. I have no problem repeating some of them to honest posters who care to have a relevant intelligent conversation. Right now I will decline for reasons that would get me banned if I articulated them

 

[Antropovsky]

I have a long history of sharing relevant stats unlike many who drool at every opportunity to take their pathetic shots. Stop being lazy and start looking up some of them. I have no problem repeating some of them to honest posters who care to have a relevant intelligent conversation. Right now I will decline for reasons that would get me banned if I articulated them

I've looked thr playoff stats up, they're dreadful. Prove me wrong. This is thr basis of most people's disappointments with Marner, yet you keep acting like others are nuts. I've been asking for months... You keep ducking it, and I've certainly never seen your posts where you've proven it. I mean sports writers and even his own management have said his play in the playoffs hasn't been good enough. Yet you claim to have some miraculous stats that prove everyone else wrong.

Go for it... last three playoffs. Can't wait.

 

[Antropovsky]

All this talk about Marners incredible play... he has 6 points in last 4 games. 3 are at even strength points in the last 5 games and he has a plus minus of 0.

He's been good... but his point streak is being helped along by his teammates. Matthews and Nylander are on fire.

Right now, Nylander is leading the team in goals, Marner in assists, Matthews in even strength points, and Tavares in PP points.

What more could you ask for?

This team's in big trouble once Nylander uses his teammates pay as leverage. Which is the argument on why it's really hard to win when top players take max pay.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Love the narrative around here. Watching the caveated Marner compliments after shredding this kid in the past. It must be terrifying that Marner is demonstrating strong signs of a hall of fame career. He is 10 assists away from being #6 in all time leafs assist leaders. He always dials up in the second half so he is very likely going to move past 100 pts this year.
But but playoffs...
Stfu. This kid is a stud. I've been saying it for years. His abilities are way too hard to dispute now by anyone who has eyes. Any team would give their left testical to have him at his contract. He is the quintessential franchise player who makes his team better. Pray he doesn't get hurt because this team will struggle without him.

You've posted this same whine a number of times now, what is it about objective analysis and varying opinions that bothers you so much? Most of us praise the players when we think they deserve praise, and criticize the players when we think they deserve it. That seems rational and objective and if you're looking for a place where there's no objectivity and just a bunch of cheerleaders in an echo chamber, then you should have realized a long time ago that you're in the wrong place. Varying opinions are a part of life, I suggest you get used to it or you're going to have a hard time going through life, never mind this place.

 

[IPS]

Marner leads the Leafs in points in the playoffs. Way down is laughable.
Marner is 1 point behind Mathews in points scored ad a Leaf.

He's tied with Matthews for points in the playoffs, with significantly less goals. By virtue of stat priority, he's the 2nd leading Leafs scorer in the playoffs.

And yes he has 1 point less than Matthews, but in how many more games played?

I don't wanna add to the Matthews vs Marner stupidity (it's an appreciation thread for Marner), but misrepresenting things the way you do only serves to add to the stupidity.

 

[Antropovsky]

You've posted this same whine a number of times now, what is it about objective analysis and varying opinions that bothers you so much? Most of us praise the players when we think they deserve praise, and criticize the players when we think they deserve it. That seems rational and objective and if you're looking for a place where there's no objectivity and just a bunch of cheerleaders in an echo chamber, then you should have realized a long time ago that you're in the wrong place. Varying opinions are a part of life, I suggest you get used to it or you're going to have a hard time going through life, never mind this place.

If Marner is quiet in the playoffs again, then notsince67 will go quiet again until the next hot streak Marner has in the playoffs. Rinse and repeat.

 

[diceman934]

It still doesn't mean it's not all Paul Marners fault for trying to look after his son as did Papi's Papa when they bent Dubas over.

Marner earned his cap hit....he out scored JT and Mathews and it was the team's Cap structure that created the contacts that was given out to Marner and Mathews. Mathews contract was much worse as Dubas walked him to free agency with out giving up years of UFA.
Marners Dad had nothing to do with his contract

 

[Gary Nylund]

My hope is in 40 years, when I am long gone, some of you youngsters will know marner as I know Keon.

Dave Keon was never the best center in the NHL, IMO.

But he did win the Conn Smythe.

He lead the Leafs in scoring several years.

Dave Keon

David Michael Keon is a former professional hockey player who played eighteen professional seasons in the National Hockey League, including fifteen seasons with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1986, Keon is a four-time Stanley Cup champion, winning the...

toronto-maple-leafs.fandom.com

He was the Maple Leafs' leading scorer in the 1963–64, 1966–67 and 1969–70 seasons, and the team's top goal scorer in 1970–71 and 1972–73. Keon was one of the fastest skaters in the NHL, and one of the best defensive forwards of his era.

Keon was my first hero and I tried to get number 14 whenever I could in any sport, not just hockey. He was a great player and a class act but my hope is that I will live long enough to see Marner surpass Keon in career accomplishments and I believe I will see just that.

I've had as hard a time as anyone watching this team fail in the playoffs over and over again but I still believe. This will be the year they finally make things happen in the playoffs, M&M will stay in Toronto (and Nylander too I hope) and by the time they're done, they will be the two consensus greatest Maple Leafs of all time. Am I being optimistic here? Sure, no doubt about it but if you can't have any optimism as a sports fan, why bother with it all all, that's what I say. And I also think that from an objective POV, these two will do it, their abilities are there for us to see night after night and they will win in the playoffs, it just makes no sense to think they will always lose. JMHO.

 

[Notsince67]

You've posted this same whine a number of times now, what is it about objective analysis and varying opinions that bothers you so much? Most of us praise the players when we think they deserve praise, and criticize the players when we think they deserve it. That seems rational and objective and if you're looking for a place where there's no objectivity and just a bunch of cheerleaders in an echo chamber, then you should have realized a long time ago that you're in the wrong place. Varying opinions are a part of life, I suggest you get used to it or you're going to have a hard time going through life, never mind this place.

You make by point perfectly. Don't be scared. It will be all right. Everyone already knows where u stand so it won't get worse.

 

[diceman934]

He's tied with Matthews for points in the playoffs, with significantly less goals. By virtue of stat priority, he's the 2nd leading Leafs scorer in the playoffs.

And yes he has 1 point less than Matthews, but in how many more games played?

I don't wanna add to the Matthews vs Marner stupidity (it's an appreciation thread for Marner), but misrepresenting things the way you do only serves to add to the stupidity.

Lol. He leads the team in playoffs points yet takes the most heat. I am using facts you should try it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You make by point perfectly. Don't be scared. It will be all right. Everyone already knows where u stand so it won't get worse.

Everyone is a big word, I suggest using it with caution. I sit where I've always sat, with the people who try to be objective. Feel free to wave sometimes, we don't mind listening to varying opinions and we'll wave back.

 

[Drytoast]

As of right now, Marner is behind Kucherov, Pasternak and Tage Thompson.

But he makes the most of the bunch.

Is he playing BEYOND his contract or is he simply living up to it? I'd say he's living up to it. This is what the standard he claimed he was able to hit when he made that contract ask. Those are his peers.

Relax. It's great that he is actually hitting his contract worth.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Here to give my appreciation to the hometown kid, Mitch “The Magician” Marner! What a run he’s been on.

 

[MAB1]

Taking away people's ability to like posts seems like a really bad idea. We can still like them, it's just that we have to quote the post in order to say so which just clutters up the forum. If anyone's listening, consider this an "opportunity for improvement".

Like.

Marner's an amazing player, he really is. But when people start to brag about him being best and support their case with nothing more than regular season this and that, it's just embarrassing. Playoff performance matters a ton, not sure how that's even debatable. Marner's been playing fantastic since the beginning of last season and that includes the playoffs. Hopefully he can keep it up and this year the team wins a few rounds, then we can all join hands on the many bandwagons that will be rolling around these parts.

I can't like posts either because of those snitches on the mainboards...

But I agree fully. It's no different in other sports either. In the NBA, James Harden was god-like during the regular season at his peak, while falling short of that same production come playoff time. It's what separated him from the likes of LeBron, Kawhi, etc. Guys who might have less impressive counting stats in the regular season but when the playoffs hit they went nuclear.

Playoff production matters just as much if not more than the regular season. There's no weak teams, you're being game-planned against (no catching team on the 2nd night of a back-to-back or 3rd game in 4 nights bs), and the stakes are at their highest.

 

[notDatsyuk]

All this talk about Marners incredible play... he has 6 points in last 4 games. 3 are at even strength points in the last 5 games and he has a plus minus of 0.

He's been good... but his point streak is being helped along by his teammates. Matthews and Nylander are on fire.

This team's in big trouble once Nylander uses his teammates pay as leverage. Which is the argument on why it's really hard to win when top players take max pay.

I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's been stuck playing with JT, who isn't doing much of anything at even strength lately.

Nylander has been involved in as many of his points in those games as Tavares.

If we're lucky the cap will go up enough to let us keep him that one more year until JT's contract ends.

 

[therealkoho]

Marner earned his cap hit....he out scored JT and Mathews and it was the team's Cap structure that created the contacts that was given out to Marner and Mathews. Mathews contract was much worse as Dubas walked him to free agency with out giving up years of UFA.
Marners Dad had nothing to do with his contract

yeah for sure, if you know me Diceman and I think after all these years you should, than you know how sarcastic that post was and how I feel about the idiot LeaFlanders who push that narrative

 

[MAB1]

Marner earned his cap hit....he out scored JT and Mathews and it was the team's Cap structure that created the contacts that was given out to Marner and Mathews. Mathews contract was much worse as Dubas walked him to free agency with out giving up years of UFA.
Marners Dad had nothing to do with his contract

Marner's first year with JT led to his massive contract. It's a bit disingenuous to say he outscored Matthews when the latter didn't have a franchise player on his line. If we say that Matthews is the best player on the Leafs, Marner 2nd and Tavares 3rd. I would hope the 2nd best player playing with the 3rd best player can outproduce the best player on the team playing who's with Zach Hyman and Kasperi Kapanen lmao.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I hated his start, he was putting up points but turnover machine.

Now? He's back to the Marner of last year after returning from that injury. Just crushing the league and fun to watch.

 

[ULF_55]

I hated his start, he was putting up points but turnover machine.

Now? He's back to the Marner of last year after returning from that injury. Just crushing the league and fun to watch.

Wish I had kept the stats, wrt that horrible +/- prior to the switch from Matthews to Tavares.

From memory, Nylander was around 0 or a touch on the negative side?

Anyone have those stats?

marner has his work cut out for him.

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