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Wish I had kept the stats, wrt that horrible +/- prior to the switch from Matthews to Tavares.

From memory, Nylander was around 0 or a touch on the negative side?

Anyone have those stats?

marner has his work cut out for him.

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I'm just glad he (Keefe) made that switch.

Bunting is coming alive now, Matthews looked like he was kinda feeling things out in the early going and lately a bit more engaged but I think he's really at the "Play good defense, I won my Rocket+Hart, I want playoff success" stage.

JT and Marner just have great chemistry.

Our job is to find a top 4 RD and a Top 6 LW between now and the TDL.

Jarnkrok wasn't bad in the top 6 LW with them but he has a decent shot that he will let fly once in a while, I would like to slot him in the bottom 6 for a playoff run ideally.
 
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crazy how yesterday was his worst game in a while with so many giveaways and he still manages to nab 2 pts and the ot winner. Unreal.

Our young top 3 is really stepping up this season - auston lately as well and defensively.
 
I'm just glad he (Keefe) made that switch.

Bunting is coming alive now, Matthews looked like he was kinda feeling things out in the early going and lately a bit more engaged but I think he's really at the "Play good defense, I won my Rocket+Hart, I want playoff success" stage.

JT and Marner just have great chemistry.

Our job is to find a top 4 RD and a Top 6 LW between now and the TDL.

Jarnkrok wasn't bad in the top 6 LW with them but he has a decent shot that he will let fly once in a while, I would like to slot him in the bottom 6 for a playoff run ideally.
The switch has been huge. Having your 1st and 3rd, 2nd and 4th forwards playing together might seem inefficient, but when they are all capable of going a ppg it's much more optimal. Marner is really carrying the JT line and makes it a legitimate threat. Yes Marner/Matthews might be one of the best duos in hockey, but this current split really gives us 2 1A lines vs a Superstar 1A and 1B line when JT and Willy are together.
 
You've posted this same whine a number of times now, what is it about objective analysis and varying opinions that bothers you so much? Most of us praise the players when we think they deserve praise, and criticize the players when we think they deserve it. That seems rational and objective and if you're looking for a place where there's no objectivity and just a bunch of cheerleaders in an echo chamber, then you should have realized a long time ago that you're in the wrong place. Varying opinions are a part of life, I suggest you get used to it or you're going to have a hard time going through life, never mind this place.
For that guy's sake I hope he knows Marner personally or is at least related to him or something because the anger in his posts if anyone says anything negative about Marner is a little over the top. It's okay to disagree...

If he has no association with Marner and he still getting this bent out of shape over a difference of opinions...oh boy lmfao
 
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Love the narrative around here. Watching the caveated Marner compliments after shredding this kid in the past. It must be terrifying that Marner is demonstrating strong signs of a hall of fame career. He is 10 assists away from being #6 in all time leafs assist leaders. He always dials up in the second half so he is very likely going to move past 100 pts this year.
But but playoffs...
Stfu. This kid is a stud. I've been saying it for years. His abilities are way too hard to dispute now by anyone who has eyes. Any team would give their left testical to have him at his contract. He is the quintessential franchise player who makes his team better. Pray he doesn't get hurt because this team will struggle without him.
uh the playoffs is still a valid concern. He's an absolute elite player top 10 player in the league. Those playoff stats are not okay for a player of his ilk.

Why don't you stfu considering you defend him saying he was great in eveyr playoffs right after.

Enjoy the season he's putting up and and enjoy how good hes becoming. What happens this playoffs ... will take care of itself and it remains to be seen if hes going to be magic mitch or if he still struggles. Call a spade a spade.
 
Wish I had kept the stats, wrt that horrible +/- prior to the switch from Matthews to Tavares.

From memory, Nylander was around 0 or a touch on the negative side?

Anyone have those stats?

marner has his work cut out for him.

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Not exactly sure when the switch was, but I think after the Nov 11 game against Pittsburgh.

He was basically even up to that point, and -2 in that game. Next nine games he was +6. Last four he's been even.


Since Nov 11 just about everyone on the team has been a plus, highest are:

Matthews: +17
Bunting: +16
Nylander: +13
Liljegren: +11
Sandin: +10
Marner: +6
Kerfoot: +6
Holl: +6
Giordano: +6
Tavares: +4

Same players on Nov 11:

Matthews: -3
Bunting: 0
Nylander: -3
Liljegren: +2
Sandin: -3
Marner: -2
Kerfoot: -1
Holl: -1
Giordano: +5
Tavares: -4

Obviously Matthews, Bunting, and Nylander have been the biggest beneficiaries of the switch, but it's been good for all the regulars, and of course the team.

I suppose I shouldn't mention that I'd been advocating that change, or at least splitting JT and Willy, for a while.
 
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I'm just glad he (Keefe) made that switch.

Bunting is coming alive now, Matthews looked like he was kinda feeling things out in the early going and lately a bit more engaged but I think he's really at the "Play good defense, I won my Rocket+Hart, I want playoff success" stage.

JT and Marner just have great chemistry.

Our job is to find a top 4 RD and a Top 6 LW between now and the TDL.

Jarnkrok wasn't bad in the top 6 LW with them but he has a decent shot that he will let fly once in a while, I would like to slot him in the bottom 6 for a playoff run ideally.
Like. :)

Yeah me too. I remember someone complaining that Babcock refused to put M&M together and now Keefe refuses to separate them. Well, he did it and it's looking like a smart move. :)

You're right about Bunting and I think you might be right about Matthews as well, I can't wait for the playoffs. Well, actually I can wait, this season so far is a ton of fun. :)
For that guy's sake I hope he knows Marner personally or is at least related to him or something because the anger in his posts if anyone says anything negative about Marner is a little over the top. It's okay to disagree...

If he has no association with Marner and he still getting this bent out of shape over a difference of opinions...oh boy lmfao
Like. :)

I've had nothing but praise for Marner's play since the beginning of last season, apparently I've crossed some weird line by saying nice things about Marner without this guy's permission. :laugh::laugh:

uh the playoffs is still a valid concern. He's an absolute elite player top 10 player in the league. Those playoff stats are not okay for a player of his ilk.

Why don't you stfu considering you defend him saying he was great in eveyr playoffs right after.

Enjoy the season he's putting up and and enjoy how good hes becoming. What happens this playoffs ... will take care of itself and it remains to be seen if hes going to be magic mitch or if he still struggles. Call a spade a spade.
Like. :)
 
uh the playoffs is still a valid concern. He's an absolute elite player top 10 player in the league. Those playoff stats are not okay for a player of his ilk.

Why don't you stfu considering you defend him saying he was great in eveyr playoffs right after.

Enjoy the season he's putting up and and enjoy how good hes becoming. What happens this playoffs ... will take care of itself and it remains to be seen if hes going to be magic mitch or if he still struggles. Call a spade a spade.
But but the playoffs

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But but the playoffs

:nono:
The playoffs are only the most important games each season...lol..."but but..."

I'd trade up all of Marner's regular season accolades (Matthews as well) for a gd cup. Hell. I'd take just seeing round 2 for once.

So ya. If you can't perform in the playoffs, you are next to useless.
 
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It’s probably best to be miserable and miss out on enjoying a great player just in case he has a poor playoff in 4 months.
You can use the playoff card for every game, player, streak, defensive ranking, pp, pk, even strength, coaching, GM, it’s the laziest qualifier going. Everyone gets it, HELLO, for everything, continually mentioning it for Marner like it’s exclusive is hilarity personified. I just laugh, it’s so transparent and kind of pathetic. Why are you even watching then?

Enjoy this kid folks, we aren’t seeing him again for a long time, probabilty speaking. Real hockey people get it, the stragglers here are irrelevant. Love him when he’s on his game, he’s an artist with heart.
 
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You can use the playoff card for every game, player, streak, defensive ranking, pp, pk, even strength, coaching, GM, it’s the laziest qualifier going. Everyone gets it, HELLO, for everything, continually mentioning it for Marner like it’s exclusive is hilarity personified. I just laugh, it’s so transparent and kind of pathetic. Why are you even watching then?

Enjoy this kid folks, we aren’t seeing him again for a long time, probabilty speaking. Real hockey people get it, the stragglers here are irrelevant. Love him when he’s on
Maybe you haven't been around the game long...but star players ARE typically judged and measured by their playoff performances. I'd not just Marner and it's not unusual. In fact it is why sports writers bring it up with Marner often... Its common in all sports.

It's not lazy at all...and it's not exclusively just for Marner.

Google playoff chokers and you will notice there are plenty athletes on the list not named Marner. This is a less board, what do you expect people to be discussing? Ovechkin... He had the label before too.

Who on this team do you want us to discuss other than Marner? Matthews was maybe the best player in the series, he was a physical beast, and Nylander played way above his pay grade. Watch replays of Marners points and you will see thst his linemates, pulled most of the weight in getting the goal. Ive challenged others to do so and even posted all his points but everyone who saus Marner was exceotional refused to discuss. Ive asked for those who disagree that hes been bad in the playoffs to post the data and explain why he actually was good and everyone refuses. Though we get the lol "but Marners playoffs" ...

We are enjoying watching the team play, but we also want to see a cup. Your opinion of him having an excellent playoffs over the past 3 series is way further from the majority then others... So you have your unusual opinion and others can have theirs.

Your is just as far off as any.

So who else is more deserving of being criticized for their playoffs other than Marner?

Do you really think that athletes aren't judged on their postseason play lr are you joking?

Do you really think Marner is the only athlete judged by their playoff performances?
 
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I know lack of playoff success is frustrating, but dammit, seeing a Leaf team killing it in the regular season is damn exciting too. To each their own I guess, but I'm not going to get myself down or worked up about what may lie ahead in April. And watching Mitch this year gives me hope that if he (and the rest of the lads) can play like this in April, there's no reason we can't see a deep run.
 
Maybe you haven't been around the game long...but star players ARE typically judged and measured by their playoff performances. I'd not just Marner and it's not unusual. In fact it is why sports writers bring it up with Marner often... Its common in all sports.

It's not lazy at all...and it's not exclusively just for Marner.

Google playoff chokers and you will notice there are plenty athletes on the list not named Marner. This is a less board, what do you expect people to be discussing? Ovechkin... He had the label before too.

Who on this team do you want us to discuss other than Marner? Matthews was maybe the best player in the series, he was a physical beast, and Nylander played way above his pay grade. Watch replays of Marners points and you will see thst his linemates, pulled most of the weight in getting the goal. Ive challenged others to do so and even posted all his points but everyone who saus Marner was exceotional refused to discuss. Ive asked for those who disagree that hes been bad in the playoffs to post the data and explain why he actually was good and everyone refuses. Though we get the lol "but Marners playoffs" ...

We are enjoying watching the team play, but we also want to see a cup. Your opinion of him having an excellent playoffs over the past 3 series is way further from the majority then others... So you have your unusual opinion and others can have theirs.

Your is just as far off as any.

So who else is more deserving of being criticized for their playoffs other than Marner?

Do you really think that athletes aren't judged on their postseason play lr are you joking?

Do you really think Marner is the only athlete judged by their playoff performances?

Still hating huh? Your obsession with Marner hate is getting creepy.
Why don't you start a Marner sucks in the playoffs thread, instead of spewing your BS in an appreciation thread?
 
Marner was on TSN radio this AM, talking hockey and charity. Also, he hosts the “shakers” for this team, funny reference to Kessel and Bozie.

 
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Maybe you haven't been around the game long...but star players ARE typically judged and measured by their playoff performances.
No, star players are evaluated on the entirety of their play. Hundreds of games, both regular season and playoffs, playing and producing as one of the best players in the league doesn't just disappear because there were a couple series in his early 20s where, despite continuing to play like one of the best players in the league, he didn't put up his usual level of production, primarily as a result of top-tier goaltending that also shut down countless other players and teams.

The most hilarious thing is that even when he does produce well in the playoffs, you dismiss the points and arbitrarily claim that they were all worthless anyway. It's comical at this point.
 
I think the best part of this streak has been the overwhelming amount of appreciation Mitch is getting right now. Mitch has always been a lightning rod for criticism and is usually the first name to be tossed into the negativity blender when shit hits the fan. He has for sure received praise before as well, but nothing like what he is seeing now. I think for the first time since he signed his deal he probably feels he has the entire fanbase and city behind him. I love seeing the ovations he gets when his name gets announced over the PA.

Auston received that love last season, and he'd be the first person to tell you that 60 was never possible without Mitch. So it's really cool to see Mitch getting that same sort of love. A confident Mitch is very very scary for opponents. You can tell he has an extra gear right now that we've never seen before.

There was a play on Saturday where he turned the puck over at the offensive blue line, and the puck got turned back down the ice quick. You could se Mitch initially try to run a bit of interference and even a slight hook to try and delay the odd man rush early on, but he was too far behind the play. He just lowered his head and got on his horse just in time to make a defensive play and save a goal at the top of the crease. It's a simple play that maybe doesn't get enough attention because of it being drowned in behind his point streak. But that's every bit as game changing as an assist or goal.

It's amazing how much confidence can contribute to energy levels and determination on the ice.
 
I think the best part of this streak has been the overwhelming amount of appreciation Mitch is getting right now. Mitch has always been a lightning rod for criticism and is usually the first name to be tossed into the negativity blender when shit hits the fan. He has for sure received praise before as well, but nothing like what he is seeing now. I think for the first time since he signed his deal he probably feels he has the entire fanbase and city behind him. I love seeing the ovations he gets when his name gets announced over the PA.

Auston received that love last season, and he'd be the first person to tell you that 60 was never possible without Mitch. So it's really cool to see Mitch getting that same sort of love. A confident Mitch is very very scary for opponents. You can tell he has an extra gear right now that we've never seen before.

There was a play on Saturday where he turned the puck over at the offensive blue line, and the puck got turned back down the ice quick. You could se Mitch initially try to run a bit of interference and even a slight hook to try and delay the odd man rush early on, but he was too far behind the play. He just lowered his head and got on his horse just in time to make a defensive play and save a goal at the top of the crease. It's a simple play that maybe doesn't get enough attention because of it being drowned in behind his point streak. But that's every bit as game changing as an assist or goal.

It's amazing how much confidence can contribute to energy levels and determination on the
He's obviously playing super consistent at the moment but I still don't think he's gone into one of his cheat modes yet. He's got another gear left imo.
 
No, star players are evaluated on the entirety of their play. Hundreds of games, both regular season and playoffs, playing and producing as one of the best players in the league doesn't just disappear because there were a couple series in his early 20s where, despite continuing to play like one of the best players in the league, he didn't put up his usual level of production, primarily as a result of top-tier goaltending that also shut down countless other players and teams.

The most hilarious thing is that even when he does produce well in the playoffs, you dismiss the points and arbitrarily claim that they were all worthless anyway. It's comical at this point.
Comical and hilarious? I posted Marners point plays from last years playoffs and expressed my opinion that he wasnt the play driver on those plays and the heavy lifting was done by his linemates, mostly Matthews (but also <1 mill Bunting).

You kept saying he was so great in the playoffs (all of them might i add) and I asked you to break down the goals and explain how Marner was the play driver and you refused. If it's so comical and hilarious why did your refuse the opportunity to prove me wrong and have everyone laugh at me?

I agree, comical.
 
Still hating huh? Your obsession with Marner hate is getting creepy.
Why don't you start a Marner sucks in the playoffs thread, instead of spewing your BS in an appreciation thread?
Guess you've missed the posters who keep saying "but but playoffs" and continue to bring up those who have criticized his play? The pot calling the kettle black.
 
Comical and hilarious? I posted Marners point plays from last years playoffs and expressed my opinion that he wasnt the play driver on those plays and the heavy lifting was done by his linemates, mostly Matthews (but also <1 mill Bunting). You kept saying he was so great in the playoffs (all of them might i add) and I asked you to break down the goals and explain how Marner was the play driver and you refused. If it's so comical and hilarious why did your refuse the opportunity to prove me wrong and have everyone laugh at me?
What do you mean the opportunity to prove you wrong? You've literally posted the videos that prove you wrong yourself, and yet you still refuse to acknowledge it. You just arbitrarily give everybody else all the credit for everything that goes right and Marner all of the blame for everything that goes wrong. What are you even supposed to say to that? Where are your deep dives into everybody else's points? Why are you working so hard to discredit Marner's points?

Marner draws the entire Tampa team's attention, draws the defender and his stick out of position, and then lays a perfect pass? Worthless!
Marner takes a hit to clear the puck on the PK, which handcuffs the defender and sends Kampf in alone? Worthless!
Marner outwaits Vasilevsky and puts the puck in the net? Worthless!
Marner tips the puck in on net, causing rushed decision making, is in good position to pick up the puck that's hit loose, and make a quick tape-to-tape pass for a goal? Worthless!
Marner shoots, causes a rebound, gets the puck back, walks in, outwaits the defender and snipes top corner? Worthless!
Marner takes a shot off a rebound that causes another rebound and we score? Worthless!
Marner shoots for the rebound on a 2 on 1 and generates the perfect one to score? Worthless!
Marner gets the zone exit and zone entry, draws two opposing players, and dishes a pass to the center of the ice, leading to a goal? Worthless!

All of the plays, chances, etc. he set up that didn't result in goals? Worthless! Doesn't he know we only need the ones that end up working out?
All of the work in transition and along the boards that resulted in goals that he didn't get a point on? Worthless!
Controlling the flow of play and setting up good situations for the rest of your team? Worthless!
Playing excellent defense and preventing the best of the opposition from scoring? Worthless!
Playing excellent on the penalty kill and preventing the best of the opposition from scoring? Worthless!

He had the play and the production in the regular season and you argue that we ignore all that and the only thing that matters is the playoffs.
He had the play and production in the regular season and the play in the playoffs and you argue that we ignore all that and the only thing that matters is production in the playoffs.
He has the play and production in the regular season and the play and the production in the playoffs against one of the best teams in the league and the best playoff goalie of this generation, and you argue that he doesn't actually get credit for the production because reasons.

Come on man. I think it's time to give it up.
 
For those worried about the playoffs. This time will be different.

Mitch is already working on his playoff beard

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I I was super jacked about Owen Nolan. But let's be honest. The Leafs especially could outspend every team in the league by far salary budget wise and it wouldn't matter one bit regarding the product on ice. But now it matters.

If you want to demand a high percentage of the cap, you need to live up to that obligation.
except they didn't spend as much as you think. Detroit,dallas, new york,Philly all spent more than we did back then. We only really had a short run from the late 90s to mid 2000s where we spent a lot on salaries. Even then those other teams often outbid for free agents and had higher payrolls. Historically we have been very cheap throughout our history.
 
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