Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[1specter]

Fun fact:

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With Marner's impressive consecutive game points streak he is on pace and projected for 26 goals 69 assists and 95 points in 82 games with a +13 +/-.

Interestingly last year Marner missed 10 games to injury and only played 72 ..

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He finished with 35 goals 62 assists 97 points & +23 +/- in only 72 games. (in 10 less games).

Marner statistically is actually underperforming last year points pace, despite his consecutive points streak.

Curious to know which season Leaf fans believe is better for Marner his current one or his previous one? More consistent or more productive?

Fun fact:

At the end of November last season, Marner only had 19 pts in 23 games, whereas right now he has 29 pts in 25 games. So in reality, he is actually far ahead of where he was at the same point in time last season.

He also, like the rest of the team, had a slow start with only 9 points in 10 games in October (which is still good but below the standard he has set), which puts him at a 73 pt pace. In November he scored 20 pts in 15 games, a 105 pt pace.

When you look at last season, Marner was horrible in October with only 3 pts in 9 games, and then he returned to form with 16 pts in 14 games in November. This year he's done better in both months vs last year.

Context is everything.​

 

[notdoneyet]

Fun fact:

At the end of November last season, Marner only had 19 pts in 23 games, whereas right now he has 29 pts in 25 games. So in reality, he is actually far ahead of where he was at the same point in time last season.

He also, like the rest of the team, had a slow start with only 9 points in 10 games in October (which is still good but below the standard he has set), which puts him at a 73 pt pace. In November he scored 20 pts in 15 games, a 105 pt pace.

When you look at last season, Marner was horrible in October with only 3 pts in 9 games, and then he returned to form with 16 pts in 14 games in November. This year he's done better in both months vs last year.

Context is everything.​

Context isn’t everything when you have an agenda.

 

[Mess]

Fun fact:

At the end of November last season, Marner only had 19 pts in 23 games, whereas right now he has 29 pts in 25 games. So in reality, he is actually far ahead of where he was at the same point in time last season.

He also, like the rest of the team, had a slow start with only 9 points in 10 games in October (which is still good but below the standard he has set), which puts him at a 73 pt pace. In November he scored 20 pts in 15 games, a 105 pt pace.

When you look at last season, Marner was horrible in October with only 3 pts in 9 games, and then he returned to form with 16 pts in 14 games in November. This year he's done better in both months vs last year.

Context is everything.​

Context is everything but in your case I see it includes creative Math also, and I wonder why you're trying to fool yourself or feel a 95 point season needed defending.

Marner has 29 points in 25 games .. That is a fact and as I said that puts him on pace for 95 point season if he played all 82 games with only 57 games left to play

Here is a little secret the 9 points in 10 games Marner recorded in October 2022 are included in that On Pace for the season final total. You can't remove or ignore them, as completed games played.

You seem to have magically removed them as if they didn't happen, and then take only Nov #'s 20 points in 15 games you like and project them over an 82 game season, with only 57 games left.

Last year Marner only played in 72 games and produced 97 points.. Had he played all 82 games he would have been on pace for 110 points season actually (but you can't score points in games you don't play).

His current season on pace of 95 points would have placed him -15 points (on pace) less than last year on full season played.

So I was simply pointing out in an appreciation thread, that despite his impressive consecutive consistent points streak this year, (which is a great accomplishment and not a slight like you seem to have taken it) his previous season he was better statistically over the course of his season with 97 points in just 72 games.

If Marner were to match his 2021-22 pace of 110 points ( on full season) he would need 81 points in remaining 57 games = 1.42 ppg and he is currently running at 1.16 ppg pace. If he were simply able to match last year's actual final total of 97 points (in 10 less games) then his current pace would essentially achieve his career best numbers of last year.

PS. His slow start you pointed out for Oct/Nov of last year and his final pace are even more impressive in light of that.

 

[1specter]

Context is everything but in your case I see it includes creative Math also, and I wonder why you're trying to fool yourself or feel a 95 point season needed defending.

Marner has 29 points in 25 games .. That is a fact and as I said that puts him on pace for 95 point season if he played all 82 games with only 57 games left to play

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Here is a little secret the 9 points in 10 games Marner recorded in October 2022 are included in that On Pace for the season final total. You can't remove or ignore them, as completed games played.

You seem to have magically removed them as if they didn't happen, and then take only Nov #'s 20 points in 15 games you like and project them over an 82 game season, with only 57 games left.

Last year Marner only played in 72 games and produced 97 points.. Had he played all 82 games he would have been on pace for 110 points season actually (but you can't score points in games you don't play).

His current season on pace of 95 points would have placed him -15 points (on pace) less than last year on full season played.

So I was simply pointing out in an appreciation thread, that despite his impressive consecutive consistent points streak this year, (which is a great accomplishment and not a slight like you seem to have taken it) his previous season he was better statistically over the course of his season with 97 points in just 72 games.

If Marner were to match his 2021-22 pace of 110 points ( on full season) he would need 81 points in remaining 57 games = 1.42 ppg and he is currently running at 1.16 ppg pace. If he were simply able to match last year's actual final total of 97 points (in 10 less games) then his current pace would essentially achieve his career best numbers of last year.

PS. His slow start you pointed out for Oct/Nov of last year and his final pace are even more impressive in light of that.

Where did I remove them? You're comparing a full 82 game season to a season that is only a quarter finished. I simply normalized the numbers to look at the same point in time, as that is a more even comparison and looked at the month vs month progression. Every year in the NHL we see volatile numbers early in the year that normalize as the season goes on, and historically Marner is a strong finisher.

There is no creative math here whatsoever, in fact this is very basic math.

 

[Puckstuff]

I switched my profile picture to Marner right in the middle of everyone abusing him online and then he got hot. So I would like some credit for his turn around. Jk lol. But seriously we need to support our players.

 

[Antropovsky]

Fun fact:

At the end of November last season, Marner only had 19 pts in 23 games, whereas right now he has 29 pts in 25 games. So in reality, he is actually far ahead of where he was at the same point in time last season.

He also, like the rest of the team, had a slow start with only 9 points in 10 games in October (which is still good but below the standard he has set), which puts him at a 73 pt pace. In November he scored 20 pts in 15 games, a 105 pt pace.

When you look at last season, Marner was horrible in October with only 3 pts in 9 games, and then he returned to form with 16 pts in 14 games in November. This year he's done better in both months vs last year.

Context is everything.​

Your suggesting that Marner will follow the same statistical trends from here on in as he did last season? Is that how hockey player stats work?

 

[1specter]

Your suggesting that Marner will follow the same statistical trends from here on in as he did last season? Is that how hockey player stats work?

He's literally leading the team in scoring Jesus f***ing Christ I don't even have particularly strong positive feelings about Marner and he wouldn't even crack my top 5 favourite players on the team but the desperation from some of you to want him to fail at times is rather strange. He's probably one of the most skilled players to ever play for this franchise

 

[Martin Skoula]

Fun fact:

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With Marner's impressive consecutive game points streak he is on pace and projected for 26 goals 69 assists and 95 points in 82 games with a +13 +/-.

Interestingly last year Marner missed 10 games to injury and only played 72 ..

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He finished with 35 goals 62 assists 97 points & +23 +/- in only 72 games. (in 10 less games).

Marner statistically is actually underperforming last year points pace, despite his consecutive points streak.

Curious to know which season Leaf fans believe is better for Marner his current one or his previous one? More consistent or more productive?

I'm more impressed that he's on pace to play 70 minutes a game.

 

[Gabriel426]

Although points are important and a good measuring stick, but I think the effectiveness of the player is more important. For example, when AM and MM first game, AM got 4 goals and everything was AM but to me MM was the best player in that game.
I am not saying points are not important but I believe being the best player shift in and shift out are as important if not more.
That’s why I think MM is a better than he was a year ago.

 

[Antropovsky]

He's literally leading the team in scoring Jesus f***ing Christ I don't even have particularly strong positive feelings about Marner and he wouldn't even crack my top 5 favourite players on the team but the desperation from some of you to want him to fail at times is rather strange. He's probably one of the most skilled players to ever play for

I'm asking you to elaborate on your statement. If you made the same statement about any player in the league, I still would have asked the same question...If you'd prefer, you can use a different player as an example to prove your statement. I am dying to hear more.

Although points are important and a good measuring stick, but I think the effectiveness of the player is more important. For example, when AM and MM first game, AM got 4 goals and everything was AM but to me MM was the best player in that game.
I am not saying points are not important but I believe being the best player shift in and shift out are as important if not more.
That’s why I think MM is a better than he was a year ago.

Are you talking about AM's first game?

 

[Notsince67]

Fun fact:

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With Marner's impressive consecutive game points streak he is on pace and projected for 26 goals 69 assists and 95 points in 82 games with a +13 +/-.

Interestingly last year Marner missed 10 games to injury and only played 72 ..

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He finished with 35 goals 62 assists 97 points & +23 +/- in only 72 games. (in 10 less games).

Marner statistically is actually underperforming last year points pace, despite his consecutive points streak.

Curious to know which season Leaf fans believe is better for Marner his current one or his previous one? More consistent or more productive?

Marner had 21 pts in 24 games at this time last year.

 

[DarkKnight]

It’s interesting to me the league talk puts him in the Selke conversation, and here we’re isolated to point production. The discussion is a little more sophisticated.

 

[Doublerum1975]

Before we compare last season to this season shouldn't we wait until this season is over lol

 

[Gary Nylund]

Before we compare last season to this season shouldn't we wait until this season is over lol

This idea has some merit.

I'm way past the point where I care much about regular season numbers for individuals. Even Matthews winning the Hart, I'd trade 10 Hart trophies for that 4th win against TB in the playoffs without thinking twice so I'm waiting to compare last season vs this season's playoff numbers.

Marner last season had 8 points in 7 games, not bad. I'm hoping this season it's something more whatever points in over 20 games, then I'll really be happy.

I can't be only one who doesn't GAF how many regular season points Marner puts up. It's team game FFS, how the team does is maybe 99% of what I care about. If the team does well, then individual accomplishments are a nice cherry on top but if the team loses ... I mean if the team sucks, has no shot at the playoffs then sure, I'll appreciate individual accomplishments more but when the team is one of the best in the league yet keeps losing in the playoffs, I couldn't care less how many points, goals or expected this or that player X gets, it all means squat.

I've been accused of "not liking" Marner. The truth is that I "like" all our players and I "like" Marner more than most but I won't hesitate to criticize them when they're not playing to their potential. I have been critical of Marner in the past, and I've also praised him in the past. Ever since he developed a dangerous shot to replace that muffin of his, he's been playing at an elite level so I'm appreciating the hell out of him right about now and have been doing so for about a year now and I hope I can keep on appreciating him through 4 rounds of the playoffs in the spring. He has all the talent in the world, he's trying hard as hell it seems, the only thing I think anyone could criticize him for is when he puts his foot in his mouth but nobody would care about that either as long as we win, and more to the point, win in the playoffs. M&M are possibly the two most talented players to ever play for the Leafs, it would be freaking travesty if they never win anything for this team.

As someone said, winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. And regular season wins just don't cut it, you need to win when it really counts.

This team can win it all this year, I see no reason not to believe that. And if they do, Marner will be a huge part of it. f*** that haters, make it happen and become immortal. GLG!!

 

[DarkKnight]

 

[kb]

Dammit, that explains everything. They love Muskoka, golf, and beer.

*Rips up Leafs jerseys.*

 

[Gabriel426]

Dammit, that explains everything. They love golf and beer.

*Rips up Leafs jerseys.*

I would have given them a pass if they say whiskey but beer crosses the line, and it better not be lite beer, lol.

 

[Gabriel426]

This idea has some merit.

I'm way past the point where I care much about regular season numbers for individuals. Even Matthews winning the Hart, I'd trade 10 Hart trophies for that 4th win against TB in the playoffs without thinking twice so I'm waiting to compare last season vs this season's playoff numbers.

Marner last season had 8 points in 7 games, not bad. I'm hoping this season it's something more whatever points in over 20 games, then I'll really be happy.

I can't be only one who doesn't GAF how many regular season points Marner puts up. It's team game FFS, how the team does is maybe 99% of what I care about. If the team does well, then individual accomplishments are a nice cherry on top but if the team loses ... I mean if the team sucks, has no shot at the playoffs then sure, I'll appreciate individual accomplishments more but when the team is one of the best in the league yet keeps losing in the playoffs, I couldn't care less how many points, goals or expected this or that player X gets, it all means squat.

I've been accused of "not liking" Marner. The truth is that I "like" all our players and I "like" Marner more than most but I won't hesitate to criticize them when they're not playing to their potential. I have been critical of Marner in the past, and I've also praised him in the past. Ever since he developed a dangerous shot to replace that muffin of his, he's been playing at an elite level so I'm appreciating the hell out of him right about now and have been doing so for about a year now and I hope I can keep on appreciating him through 4 rounds of the playoffs in the spring. He has all the talent in the world, he's trying hard as hell it seems, the only thing I think anyone could criticize him for is when he puts his foot in his mouth but nobody would care about that either as long as we win, and more to the point, win in the playoffs. M&M are possibly the two most talented players to ever play for the Leafs, it would be freaking travesty if they never win anything for this team.

As someone said, winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. And regular season wins just don't cut it, you need to win when it really counts.

This team can win it all this year, I see no reason not to believe that. And if they do, Marner will be a huge part of it. f*** that haters, make it happen and become immortal. GLG!!

That’s the thing.
Everyone knows players will have off games even the greatest player like Mario and Wayne.
And when they do, it is fair to say player X, Y and Z had a bad game…. The thing is having a bad game doesn’t mean player X or Y are suddenly becoming bad player.
I still remembered at one of the games live thread, someone stated enough with the hot takes, and I just told the poster, this is a game thread where comments are solely based on the player’s last play.
People just need to chill and accept that even the best players will have off game.

 

[Mess]

Although points are important and a good measuring stick, but I think the effectiveness of the player is more important. For example, when AM and MM first game, AM got 4 goals and everything was AM but to me MM was the best player in that game.
I am not saying points are not important but I believe being the best player shift in and shift out are as important if not more.
That’s why I think MM is a better than he was a year ago.

That is a very reasonable response to my earlier question of more points or more consistency.

Marner might in fact be sacrificing more offense for a more complete game at both ends of the ice. His points streak certainly showing more consistency in his game by contributing regularly.

Scoring a point or more each game is likely better for the team, then scoring 3-4 points in a game and then not showing up in the boxscore for the next 3 games or so.

 

[Gallagbi]

That is a very reasonable response to my earlier question of more points or more consistency.

Marner might in fact be sacrificing more offense for a more complete game at both ends of the ice. His points streak certainly showing more consistency in his game by contributing regularly.

Scoring a point or more each game is likely better for the team, then scoring 3-4 points in a game and then not showing up in the boxscore for the next 3 games or so.

Fun fact, Marner was held pointless in 6 straight games Oct 14 - 25, 2021. After that stretch, he didnt go 3 games without a point. He was pointless in back to back games once in Mar-May, 2022 (a 39 game period including playoffs and regular season). The year prior he wasnt held pointless in any 3 game stretch and was held pointless in b2b games 4 times playoffs + regular season.

Sugggesting he has a big night then vanishes isnt really accurate from a scoring perspective. His overall impact and over complicating things is where hes struggled at times.

 

[Gabriel426]

Fun fact, Marner was held pointless in 6 straight games Oct 14 - 25, 2021. After that stretch, he didnt go 3 games without a point. He was pointless in back to back games once in Mar-May, 2022 (a 39 game period including playoffs and regular season). The year prior he wasnt held pointless in any 3 game stretch and was held pointless in b2b games 4 times playoffs + regular season.

Sugggesting he has a big night then vanishes isnt really accurate from a scoring perspective. His overall impact and over complicating things is where hes struggled at times.

I think Mess was making an example in general instead of saying MM did that in his career.

 

[Gabriel426]

That is a very reasonable response to my earlier question of more points or more consistency.

Marner might in fact be sacrificing more offense for a more complete game at both ends of the ice. His points streak certainly showing more consistency in his game by contributing regularly.

Scoring a point or more each game is likely better for the team, then scoring 3-4 points in a game and then not showing up in the boxscore for the next 3 games or so.

The thing is, we all used Stevie Y as an example of how someone matured into an all around force instead of just putting up points. That’s why points are important but you also need to look at the players overall impact for the team.
For example, if AM ends the season with 40 and 40 and MM with 25 and 60 while the Leafs win the President Trophy. From a team standpoint, that’s better than both of them getting 100pts and the team finishes 7th in the league.
I am not even getting into playoffs where I could care less even if Engvall is leading the Leafs in goals and points as long as the Leafs win the Cup.

 

[egd27]

I like winning, but Muskoka is nice too.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I like winning, but Muskoka is nice too.

......said most Ontario-born Leaf players for at least 50 years

 

[DarkKnight]