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I think @SeaOfBlue posted his best guess a page or two back in this thread but I don't believe we've seen anything official yet.
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I think @SeaOfBlue posted his best guess a page or two back in this thread but I don't believe we've seen anything official yet.
We drafted 27 players from 2018 to 2020
That's draft +4 years
Only Sandin and Robertsson seems remotely fighting for nhl spots. That's 2 players. Both of them are first round and early 2nd round. We are getting nothing out of our mid draft picks...
I am really hoping few others gets some looks
That's draft +4 years
Only Sandin and Robertsson seems remotely fighting for nhl spots. That's 2 players. Both of them are first round and early 2nd round. We are getting nothing out of our mid draft picks...
I am really hoping few others gets some looks
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Me thinks you don’t really understand the length of time for such prospects to develop, or know much about these draft picks at all.
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3 if you count Durzi
Abruzzese getting a cup of coffee last year was a good sign plus Knies would have gotten time if he opted in
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Durzi from 18 is a bonafide NHLer, Holmberg from 18 will be fighting for a spot, Abruzzese from 19 has played games and will again, Kokkonen from 19 may get games (i think he'll get 10ish) but we can say he won't for argument purposes, so thats 3 plus Sandin and Robertson if we don't count Kokkonen, 2020 is too soon still
Takes time to develop, some players have gotten some NHL games, and we keep finding good value guys to fill in roster spots so it is tough to crack the roster, but the drafts you mentioned are trending pretty well for the most part.
Also since when is 53rd early 2nd? And why not say late (or very late) first if you're going to try to make it seem like the 53rd is an early second? Thinking there may be a motive for this post and that time frame.
LeafChief
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With LeafsTV/LNN going off the air, anyone know if one of the other networks (TSN/Rogers) will be picking up the Marlies home games (or all of the games)?
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Not to mention when you look at other 'elite drafting' teams like Tampa they have a grand total of 13 games played from 23 picks in that timeframe.
What if you want to watch the Marlies on your TV... rather than computer or phone?
Do you have a smart tv?
Do you have a laptop?
Option i use is running hd cable from laptop to tv (non smart version) and tuck laptop in behind
kb
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Those refurb mini-pc's are a gold mine. I have a couple of them VESA-mounted on the back of my TV's. Something like this. Not overly expensive, either.
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kb
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Hahahaha! Yup.Holy shitballs that is gold
Except I paid over $100 more each for the 2 of mine this spring.
Definitely may pick up another one or 2 at those prices!
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These are the seasons some former mid-round pick players of ours made the NHL
1) Connor Brown - draft year +5
2) Andreas Johnsson - draft year +6
3) Pierre Engvall - draft year +6
4) Zach Hyman - draft year +7 (drafted by Florida)
Sure, you get the odd Dermott (high 2nd rounder), Gunnarsson, etc who make the NHL within ~3 years or so, but it's not particularly common.
I think the biggest knock on our farm system in recent years has been the number of quality prospects/picks we've moved (Durzi, Grundstrom, 2019 1st, 2021 1st, 2022 1st, etc traded away). Right now we're relying a ton on our mid-round picks, which tend to take longer, and also have a much lower chance at success.
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Grebyonkin finished today with 1 shift and 0:53 TOI.
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What's a good time frame, 4 years seems proper, no?
Holmberg you could argue has overripened but he was a late pick so maybe needed the extra seasoning
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I think it is a bigger issue that we've had 13 picks between the top 10 and top 101 in the 2015-2017 drafts and only 3 of them amounted to any kind of NHLer: Liljegren, Dermott, and Grundstrom. Woll may make it 4. The other issue is that, other than Liljegren, none of them look like they would be difficult to replace with a UDFA or a later round pick at this point. Grundstrom has become a decent bottom 6er in LA, and I think we can sign ZAR or Motte for practically nothing to do what he does.
We are at a severe disadvantage, and are generally not a good drafting team, if we can only hit on first round picks... And not only first round picks, but top-half of the round first round picks. All of our competitors can afford to move off a bunch of picks to help their current team and still find contributors in the mid-late rounds, like Tampa. If we can't, our chances are severely reduced. Of course that does not mean you should move off top round picks for cap dumps or rentals, or generally be reckless with them, either.
But even if we look at the Mrazek trade where we had to move from 25 to 38. Sure, we missed out some good prospects in between 25 and 38, but we still had an opportunity to draft multiple guys at 38 who would have been more than fine value at 25. If we drafted a bust in Minten and there was a guy taken afterwards who turns out great, are we mad at the trade or the fact that even after making the trade, there were guys who worked out that we missed out on?
Another more concrete example would have been when we traded down from 24 to 34 in 2015. Konecny was taken at 24. People, mostly in hindsight, were mad because we traded down from that spot to pick Bracco, Dermott, and Dzierkals instead of just taking Konecny, who is a solid player. However, the Leafs could have made that trade and picked Aho, Cernak, Hintz, Greenway, Siegenthaler, Kylington, or Carlo instead of Dermott, and Cirelli instead of Bracco or Dzierkals. If we got Aho (or even Cernak/Hintz) and Cirelli instead of Dermott and Bracco or Dzierkals, I think people are ecstatic about the trade. In fact, I think people would take Aho/Cernak/Hintz/Cirelli on their own over Konecny on his own, and you'd get two. The issue is less with the trade and more with poor drafting.
Moral of the story is that trading some good prospects and picks is fine if you get the right deal for them and you are strong enough at drafting to be able to find good young players without needing high picks. I would be fine with trading Sandin if we got a good young player in return, for example. Or if we made another Muzzin trade at some point. That trade has generally worked out well for us, even with Durzi, Bjornfot, and Grundstrom working out decently well for LA. But we need to scout well enough to make those moves and find guys like Steeves who may be able to make a guy like Robertson expendable or can be used as a valuable trade chip.
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Engvall made the Leafs, six years after being drafted. part way through the season.
Hyman made the Leafs, seven years after being drafted.
Bunting was drafted in 2014, last year was technically his rookie year, seven years post draft.
Connor Brown five years.
Andreas Johnsson - six years
These are forwards... they take less time than D men, particularly later round D men.
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I tried this for Marlies away games a couple years ago and couldn't get it to play without skipping. I didn't make it through one period. I tried it at several different locations and it never worked properly. I'm not sure if you need a real quality internet or what, but it was a bust when I tried.
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You probably need a higher quality internet for a lot of the streaming. I have an IPTV that streams all of the AHL games, and OHL games for that matter as part of the package. It works fine for me, but I have Bell Fibe.
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Projects though, all late picks but valid point.
Should we expect 1st-4th round guys to make it sooner? Are the odds of them contributing low if they don't make it in 4 years post draft?
Robertson is now going into the 3rd season after the draft, after next season if he hasn't made it, what do we think of him? Tweener? Bust?
No doubt those players took long but which team really waits for a players to come through 5+ years anymore?
You can probably add Verhaege to that list. To me 4+ years is just too long. By now you have a player or you don't.
Hyman, AJ and Brown were both ready 3+ years. We were going to a rebuild so we didn't bring them in. Also Hyman wanted finish 4 years of university
I have officially counted out any 2017 players. Hence why I didn't start with that year.
Bunting wasnt a leaf draftees.. if you had waited 6+ years he would have been in different organizations.. he was a free agent for that reason
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