TheGoldenJet
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That looks like a well coached Greg Moore team to me.
Doobler’s coaching hires are just such a massive
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That looks like a well coached Greg Moore team to me.
Doobler’s coaching hires are just such a massive
He's a late birthday so ineligible. Only hirvonen and niemela can make it for finland.
Morgs
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Some positive notes:
1. Topi Niemela is trucking. Guy is probably in my top-tier now without question. The production is the best ever for a defenseman his age, he's playing more minutes and harder ice-time that he was in September and he's still managing to stay even with his minutes. He may have some defensive issues we need to keep an eye on, but the fact he's playing that much as a 19 year old really shows the kind of prospect he is.
2. Ryan Tverberg. The guy is just crushing the NCAA in a tough conference. If he even keeps up PPG, this guy is arguably a top-10 prospect in our org. He's already been trending top-20~, but this start is something we have to keep an eye on. Like someone said earlier: whoever on the Leafs scouting side banged the table for this guy was absolutely right.
3. Abruzzese is back baby. Obviously he's no Coronato, but 4 points in 2 games coming off a major surgery is a big win.
4. Holmberg is a stud. The guy had a slow september, but since he's essentially been the 1C on Vaxjo he's been crushing it. Minutes up, rels up, production up. He's kind of old, but he's absolutely worth getting excited about at this point.
5. These players are also worth noting in a positive way: Kizimov, Steeves, Voit
Negative Notes:
1. Loponen has officially joined my "not a prospect" tier. Don't know if he'll come back from that- nobody else really has. Rindell is trending that way too, but he had a better month.... His team had to cut his minutes, give him even easier zone starts, and now traded him (to Niemela's team- where he better not cut into his minutes), so I'll keep hope a little longer.
2. Vladislav Kara appears to be the only player in the entire organization that hasn't played a single game. Anyone know what's happening? Such a difference between a Mark Hunter 4th and a Dubas 4th, holy f***.
3. Ahktyamov seems like his season is just going to shit. Had so much promise potentially as the backup in the KHL, but just can't seem to get it going even in a league he's dominated before.
4. These players are also worth noting in a negative way: Miller, Villenueve, Kallgren, Woll
| Player Name | Age | Pos | League | GP | Goals | Points | PPG | NHLe | rel.CF% | Rel.FF% | ATOI | OZS% | oiSH% |
| Abramov, Mikhail | 20.6 | C | AHL | 7 | 0 | 1 | 0.14 | 4.8 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Abruzzese, Nick | 22.4 | W | NCAA | 2 | 1 | 4 | 2.00 | 27.2 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Amirov, Rodion | 20.1 | W | KHL | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0.33 | 16.9 | - | - | 10:50 | - | - |
| Anderson, Joey | 23.4 | W | AHL | 7 | 3 | 4 | 0.57 | 19.3 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Bobylyov, Vladimir | 24.6 | W | VHL | 18 | 0 | 3 | 0.17 | 3.7 | - | - | 11:09 | - | - |
| Chebykin, Nikolai | 24.3 | W | KHL | 16 | 6 | 8 | 0.50 | 25.3 | - | - | 12:09 | - | - |
| Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon | 21.1 | C | AHL | 7 | 0 | 4 | 0.57 | 19.3 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Duszak, Joseph | 24.3 | RHD | AHL | 4 | 0 | 5 | 1.25 | 42.2 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Fusco, John | 20.4 | RHD | NCAA | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0.50 | 6.8 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Gogolev, Pavel | 21.7 | W | AHL | 6 | 0 | 2 | 0.33 | 11.3 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Hirvonen, Roni | 19.8 | C/W | Liiga | 16 | 1 | 5 | 0.31 | 9.3 | 4.4% | - | 13:17 | 60.8% | 8.3% |
| Herzog, Fabrice | 26.9 | W | NLA | 15 | 2 | 5 | 0.33 | 10.3 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Hollowell, Mac | 23.1 | RHD | AHL | 5 | 1 | 2 | 0.40 | 13.5 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Holmberg, Pontus | 22.7 | W | SHL | 15 | 5 | 10 | 0.67 | 26.7 | 2.3% | 1.3% | 17:49 | - | |
| Kizimov, Semyon | 21.8 | W | VHL | 17 | 6 | 13 | 0.76 | 16.9 | - | - | 16:26 | - | - |
| Kokkonen, Mikko | 20.8 | LHD | Liiga | 17 | 0 | 6 | 0.35 | 10.5 | -1.5% | - | 19:41 | 41.2% | 9.3% |
| Koster, Mike | 20.6 | LHD | NCAA | 5 | 1 | 2 | 0.40 | 7.6 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Knies, Matthew | 19.1 | C/W | NCAA | 8 | 3 | 5 | 0.63 | 11.8 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Kral, Filip | 22.0 | LHD | AHL | 7 | 0 | 2 | 0.29 | 9.7 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Kressler, Braeden | 18.8 | C | OHL | 6 | 2 | 5 | 0.83 | 10.6 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Loponen, Kalle | 20.7 | RHD | Liiga | 20 | 1 | 2 | 0.10 | 3.0 | -6.7% | - | 13:55 | 43.6% | 3.5% |
| Menell, Brennan | 24.5 | RHD | AHL | 4 | 1 | 2 | 0.50 | 16.9 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Miettinen, Veeti | 20.1 | W | NCAA | 8 | 1 | 5 | 0.63 | 9.1 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Miller, Joe | 19.1 | C/W | USHL | 13 | 4 | 8 | 0.62 | 6.0 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Niemela, Topi | 19.6 | RHD | Liiga | 18 | 3 | 16 | 0.89 | 26.4 | 4.6% | - | 20:11 | 51.7% | 12.3% |
| O'Connell, Ryan | 22.5 | LHD | NCAA | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0.25 | 4.7 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Ovchinnikov, Dimitri | 19.2 | C/W | KHL | 10 | 1 | 3 | 0.30 | 15.2 | - | - | 05:31 | - | - |
| Rindell, Axel | 21.5 | RHD | Liiga | 16 | 0 | 5 | 0.31 | 9.3 | 2.5% | - | 21:19 | 54.5% | 8.9% |
| Robertson, Nick | 20.2 | W | AHL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1.00 | 33.8 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Rubins, Kristians | 23.9 | LHD | AHL | 6 | 1 | 3 | 0.50 | 16.9 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Schingoethe, Wyatt | 19.3 | C | NCAA | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.0 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Steeves, Alex | 21.9 | C/W | AHL | 2 | 2 | 3 | 1.50 | 50.7 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Tverberg, Ryan | 19.8 | C/W | NCAA | 7 | 4 | 9 | 1.29 | 21.5 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Villeneuve, William | 19.6 | RHD | QMJHL | 10 | 0 | 3 | 0.30 | 3.9 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Voit, Ty | 18.4 | C/W | OHL | 6 | 3 | 8 | 1.33 | 16.9 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Player Name | Age | Position | League | GP | SV% |
| Ahktyamov, Artur | 20.0 | G | VHL | 17 | 0.897 |
| Kallgren, Erik | 25.1 | G | AHL | 5 | 0.894 |
| Peksa, Vyacheslav | 19.2 | G | MHL | 14 | 0.938 |
| Scott, Ian | 22.8 | G | AHL | 0 | - |
| Woll, Joseph | 23.3 | G | AHL | 3 | 0.895 |
Some positive notes:
1. Topi Niemela is trucking. Guy is probably in my top-tier now without question. The production is the best ever for a defenseman his age, he's playing more minutes and harder ice-time that he was in September and he's still managing to stay even with his minutes. He may have some defensive issues we need to keep an eye on, but the fact he's playing that much as a 19 year old really shows the kind of prospect he is.
2. Ryan Tverberg. The guy is just crushing the NCAA in a tough conference. If he even keeps up PPG, this guy is arguably a top-10 prospect in our org. He's already been trending top-20~, but this start is something we have to keep an eye on. Like someone said earlier: whoever on the Leafs scouting side banged the table for this guy was absolutely right.
3. Abruzzese is back baby. Obviously he's no Coronato, but 4 points in 2 games coming off a major surgery is a big win.
4. Holmberg is a stud. The guy had a slow september, but since he's essentially been the 1C on Vaxjo he's been crushing it. Minutes up, rels up, production up. He's kind of old, but he's absolutely worth getting excited about at this point.
5. These players are also worth noting in a positive way: Kizimov, Steeves, Voit
Negative Notes:
1. Loponen has officially joined my "not a prospect" tier. Don't know if he'll come back from that- nobody else really has. Rindell is trending that way too, but he had a better month.... His team had to cut his minutes, give him even easier zone starts, and now traded him (to Niemela's team- where he better not cut into his minutes), so I'll keep hope a little longer.
2. Vladislav Kara appears to be the only player in the entire organization that hasn't played a single game. Anyone know what's happening? Such a difference between a Mark Hunter 4th and a Dubas 4th, holy f***.
3. Ahktyamov seems like his season is just going to shit. Had so much promise potentially as the backup in the KHL, but just can't seem to get it going even in a league he's dominated before.
4. These players are also worth noting in a negative way: Miller, Villenueve, Kallgren, Woll
SeaOfBlue
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No surprise. It has been trending that way for over a month.
Not sure he has a Raty-like fall, because he has more natural talent, but he is trending towards the back half of the first round if he can't turn things around.
Maplebeasts
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That would be good for us. He might be having an off-season but it's hard to argue that he wouldn't have amongst the highest upside on the board at that point in the draft. He's still got really great hands, playmaking ability and skating. The fact he can play center is also great for a team like us who has little to no prospects there.
SeaOfBlue
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Can't confirm, but I am fairly sure he pretty much packed it in at this point. Probably knows he doesn't have much of a career ahead of him.
TBH, Dubas' Russian drafting is not really that great either. Better than Hunter's, but still nowhere near as good as it should be.
I am not too worried about Kallgren, Woll, and Villeneuve. The goalies have had mostly good games, but the one or two bad games they have had were just bloodbaths where the defense was practically non-existent. That is just how it goes with a Moore defense.
As for Villeneuve, he had a slow start production-wise last year too before picking it up a lot in the second half, and it is worth noting that while he only has 3 points, that is still good for 2nd on his team (for defensemen) despite playing 2 fewer games than everyone else and not being a primary PP guy. He is also the only capable defender on that team right now. Poirier is practically a forward on defense (and hogs a lot of the defensemen points), and the others just suck... Which is no different for the entire team outside of Poirier, Villeneuve, the goalies, and the top forward line. Hopefully adding Ryan Francis will help Reynolds and MacDonald get going, and if they at least have two producing lines, then that should help Villeneuve hit the scoresheet a bit more too.
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I'd put Knies into the positives. He's been standing out in a good way.
Morgs
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He's also got a 3.2 sh% and 5.6 oiSH% this season. Seems similar to this guy we saw last season who was highly touted going into the season, and ended up having a 3.8 sh% and 4.8 oiSH%. I underrated Raty because I thought it was due to a lack of finishing ability, even though the rel.CF% was fantastic. You can't say the same about Lambert right now. Way more natural skill and a much better finisher, but two seasons in a row where he's getting crushed in easy minutes. I'm beginning to think he's a one-dimensional scorer, similar to Laine, except a much better passing ability and worse shot. If he can't put the puck in (like he hasn't this season), he's pretty much useless. Could be his team though too, they're 13th of 15 teams two years in a row.
SeaOfBlue
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I wouldn't count on him being a center. He plays more like a RW, and that is where he lines up most of the time as well. It feels eerily similar to calling Marner a center when he was back in junior. In fact, he may end up being a Marner-lite when he gets to the NHL.
However, he may be able to be similar to Nylander where he can maybe take the center spot if you absolutely need him to.
I feel like Lambert is a mix Nylander's shot and Marner's playmaking ability, with half a notch down on both, but you added plus-plus speed to it. My only concern is if he has any IQ issues, because while you can tell he has the raw skill, he has struggled to dominate in international competitions and in the Liiga. A guy who has such eye-popping skill should be skating circles around that competition but he is struggling (never mind not dominating).
Morgs
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Interesting about Kara. I feel like even in Russia we hear about those guys "retiring" though, especially if they were drafted by a NHL team or have some sort of affiliation.
I meant it more in just a negative light. At some point whether the team in front of you is good or not, you have to make saves or you're nothing. Both guys are at an age where it's basically put up or shut up at this point and having sub .900 sv% in the AHL is a mess.
Villenueve I've watched 2 games to go along with his production. I simply hate his game. I think you calling him a "capable defender" is way too big a compliment defensively. The guy got walked 5+ times both games I saw him play. I don't see it. I've never seen it.
If I'm remembering correctly, during the post-draft interview Dubas/Lilley mentioned that Reid Mitchell would've been the one banging the table.
Maplebeasts
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I'd guess a lot of his draft position is going to come down to how his interviews go at the combine. I'm not sure how much of his poor possession metrics come down to him vs. the team and environment. I have a lot of faith in our player development so if he is willing to put in the work to be a better two way player and to add some much needed strength he'd be a must draft to me. It would be a rare opportunity to draft someone with that much skill in the latter half of the first round.
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I haven't watched him in a full game this year besides the preseason, where he was good.
I have seen some defensive miscues this year, in the highlight packages I have watched, but his partner is Poirier and his forwards provide very little defensive support as well. There were a few turnovers that happened which should not have happened if other guys were in the right spots, or he would have to cheat to cover the guy who his partner failed to defend and couldn't cover his own guy properly. Villeneuve gets blamed, but his "mistake" was by far the least of the worries.
It actually reminds me a fair bit of Nikita Zaitsev back when the Leafs couldn't defend very well and his partner was Jake Gardiner. Cover for 4 guys who can't really defend, including his partner, and then watch those same 4 guys rack up the points because the system was designed for the offense to go through them, so you don't have nearly as good production numbers either. Zaitsev wasn't perfect himself, but he received a lot more blame than he deserved.
Villeneuve on the Leafs/Marlies looked much better than Villeneuve on the Sea Dogs.
LeafChief
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If Lambert slips anyhwere near the Leafs pick I'd grab him instantly. Still pissed they didn't find a way to grab Raty out of the last draft.
If Lambert plummets in the draft you have to take a shot at that kind of talent.
Raty has bounced back and looks great in U20 play so far. Still needs to figure things out in Liiga though.
Judas Tavares
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Sorry if this has been discussed, but has anyone who has been watching the Marlies closely give an update on Abramov? Obviously the numbers aren't there, but wondering about his overall play and how he is adjusting to the AHL.
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Hirvonen 1+1 against Kokkonen's Pelicans. 7pts in 18GP.
kb
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Kokkonen is he going to play for the Marlies next yr.
I think he has a chance to get into some leafs games .
I think he has a chance to get into some leafs games .
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I've only watched the home games but from what I've noticed, he hasn't stood out at all. Doesn't seem overly fast.
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he's been involved in the play a lot, has seemed to be responsible defensively, just hasn't had any luck offensively so far
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