Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread

[4thline]

I don’t think he chose to give up a 1st over a 2nd I think he didn’t put in the time and rushed the trade. A better GM could have found a better deal. Find me one other example of a team giving up a top 15 pick to move a contract like Marleau’s.

It wasn't a top 15 pick at the time of the trade, it was a future 1st.

Lou/Devils trading a 1st for San Jose to eat one year of Malakhov
Blackhawks trading former 10th overall pick and top 6 ready Teravainen to Carolina to eat 1 year of Bickell

 

[dangomon]

I don’t think he chose to give up a 1st over a 2nd I think he didn’t put in the time and rushed the trade. A better GM could have found a better deal. Find me one other example of a team giving up a top 15 pick to move a contract like Marleau’s.

A 6M contract where the player has a NMC and was requesting to go to a team he wanted (I beleive SJ or another west coast team) or a team that would eat his contract and buy him out. The options we're so horribly limited. If you want to pick on Dubas' decision, it wasn't that there was a better trade for Marleau..the decision would have been too keep Patty and move other contracts to eat that last year and keep the pick (which I personally disagree with this option).

Find another example of a team moving a contract like that without giving up big assets.

 

[SprDaVE]

I don’t think he chose to give up a 1st over a 2nd I think he didn’t put in the time and rushed the trade. A better GM could have found a better deal. Find me one other example of a team giving up a top 15 pick to move a contract like Marleau’s.

A better GM wouldn't have given Marleau a 3 year contract with a 6M cap hit. But a GM did. There are many examples of teams giving up prime assets to remove a bad one. And yes 1st round picks are included in these examples.

Not many teams had a very bad player that would only play for 1 team and that team didn't want him for anything other than league minimum. No team wants to buy out a 6M player for anything less than what was paid.

 

[WinnieThePooh]

I don’t think he chose to give up a 1st over a 2nd I think he didn’t put in the time and rushed the trade. A better GM could have found a better deal. Find me one other example of a team giving up a top 15 pick to move a contract like Marleau’s.

A better poster would understand that he didn't trade 15th, he traded a 1st that unfortunately turned into 15th, and that there are other examples.

A better GM wouldn't have signed Patrick Marleau to a 6mx3yr deal. Just awful, especially when you consider the big guns were coming up on their next deal.

 

[Cor]

I also heard Edmonton really wanted him and was willing to trade CMD but Marleau really didn't want to go to Edmonton so it didn't happen

I heard about this too, but I heard it was Dubas who declined that trade

 

[deprw]

I don’t think he chose to give up a 1st over a 2nd I think he didn’t put in the time and rushed the trade. A better GM could have found a better deal. Find me one other example of a team giving up a top 15 pick to move a contract like Marleau’s.

Timeline was fixed because buyout window is limited and Dubas also lost time, when Marleua was first willing to agree trade to pacific division, but changed his mind later. So it was either SJS or buyout. Buyout windows was few days, so we would have paid maybe more if we'd have waited. Dubas had basically no leverage. You can thank Marleau and Lou for that.

 

[Cor]

A better GM wouldn't have given Marleau a 3 year contract with a 6M cap hit. But a GM did. There are many examples of teams giving up prime assets to remove a bad one. And yes 1st round picks are included in these examples.

Not many teams had a very bad player that would only play for 1 team and that team didn't want him for anything other than league minimum. No team wants to buy out a 6M player for anything less than what was paid.

it’s amazing that Babcock fully came out and admitted that he and Lou knew the third year of the deal would be an issue, but that was the “price to pay” but there’s some here who refuse to acknowledge it.

It was a poor deal from the start.

 

[Ashdown2]

can you guys get back on topic ........ is it squirrel day today ??
we already have hundreds of babcock, dubas, and marleau threads

 

[ACC1224]

can you guys get back on topic ........ is it squirrel day today ??
we already have hundreds of babcock, dubas, and marleau threads

Impossible around here.
Training Camp thread is now about Barkov.
Squirrels can't help themselves.

 

[Twine Tickler]

oh boy…

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

It was Dubas who traded that pick, Lou signed the contract but Dubas didnt have to give up a first to get rid of it.

If no one else was willing to play ball he did. Not to mention Marleau was only willing to be traded to a certain number of teams.

 

[Martin Skoula]

it’s amazing that Babcock fully came out and admitted that he and Lou knew the third year of the deal would be an issue, but that was the “price to pay” but there’s some here who refuse to acknowledge it.

It was a poor deal from the start.

Sure we had to pay a price but think of the massive benefit we got at first, we had a whole season of Marleau being an average middle-6 winger! That's worth 4x 1st to me.

Like Dave Nonis said, we don't care about year 3 because we know we're getting a mediocre player in year 1.

 

[ACC1224]

If no one else was willing to play ball he did. Not to mention Marleau was only willing to be traded to a certain number of teams.

Should have let him sit in the press box for the third season.

 

[LeafChief]

Should have let him sit in the press box for the third season.

This is the Prospect Thread. Please stay on topic.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Should have let him sit in the press box for the third season.

I'm almost certain Babcock/Lou promised him a shot at the iron man record as part of the recruiting process, they didn't even rest him going into the playoffs like they did with guys 15 years younger than him.

 

[4thline]

I'm almost certain Babcock/Lou promised him a shot at the iron man record as part of the recruiting process, they didn't even rest him going into the playoffs like they did with guys 15 years younger than him.

More than promise it, they essentially guaranteed it by making that contract as buyout proof as possible. If it was structured differently he could have been bought out at 4m cap and cash spread over two years. Price to move that is way less than 6m cap 4m cash in one year, and if we didn't like the price our own buyout would have been a legitimate option, only would have had to trade one of Kap/AJ to make room.

 

[Fogelhund]

Marlies are really going to kick butt this season.

 

[stickty111]

Koster and Knies start their season's today.

 

[Morgs]

Koster and Knies start their season's today.

Absolutely stacked team. Really wondering where they're slotted.

 

[Prominence]

Knies 3rd line, koster top line (whoa), schingoethe extra forward (better than 5th line?), miller top line ushl, tverberg third line, and miettinen 3rd line.

University of Minnesota plays at 8pm est, 5pm pst.

Ty Voit did not play with team.

Sources:

Spoiler

 

[nuck]

A better poster would understand that he didn't trade 15th, he traded a 1st that unfortunately turned into 15th, and that there are other examples.

A better GM wouldn't have signed Patrick Marleau to a 6mx3yr deal. Just awful, especially when you consider the big guns were coming up on their next deal.

Marleau's salary was no issue until they signed Tavares. It was a poor deal just like Zaitsev but giving up anything to move him was not a consideration until the $11M spend. The pick is on Kyle, not Lou. Of course overfat deals and giving up high picks for rental is not worth pissing over anyways, that's the business. Every year high picks go for rentals and almost always produce no Cups. Its worth commenting about when it happens but not a year or two later.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Marleau's salary was no issue until they signed Tavares. It was a poor deal just like Zaitsev but giving up anything to move him was not a consideration until the $11M spend. The pick is on Kyle, not Lou. Of course overfat deals and giving up high picks for rental is not worth pissing over anyways, that's the business. Every year high picks go for rentals and almost always produce no Cups. Its worth commenting about when it happens but not a year or two later.

6 million in dead cap was always going to be an issue, whether they had Tavares or not. I'm sure a lot of people would consider it an issue if Marleau stopped Dubas from bringing Tavares to the Leafs

 

[Maplebeasts]

It's not really a surprise to see Koster listed as top pairing for Minnesota. He was fantastic for them when Lacombe and Faber were at the WJCs. He's one of my favourite prospects in our pool outside the top end.

 

[Morgs]

It's not really a surprise to see Koster listed as top pairing for Minnesota. He was fantastic for them when Lacombe and Faber were at the WJCs. He's one of my favourite prospects in our pool outside the top end.

Him playing 'above' 1st and 2nd round picks is shocking, but watching that team a bunch last year its clear he was as talented or more.

Let's hope Knies moves up/gets some PP time.

Weird Schingoethe isn't playing for WM. He should be their clear best player, no?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Him playing 'above' 1st and 2nd round picks is shocking, but watching that team a bunch last year its clear he was as talented or more.

Let's hope Knies moves up/gets some PP time.

Weird Schingoethe isn't playing for WM. He should be their clear best player, no?

Yeah I'm really excited for him. He was good last year but he must have really left an impression on the coaches to be listed on the top pairing. As for Schingoethe...still better than Ovchinnikov.