Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread

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Roberston is not a slide candidate, no. Too old now

In fact, we don't have any slide candidates this year
thank you :thumbu:

Not that it would have played a factor or not, if he is ready to play, he will play. I was more or less curious.

I personally agree with @GoLeafsGo96, I think he will almost guarantee start in the Marlies. And until he dominates at that level, he will not get called up.

I hope Nick, Abramov, Steeves, and Gogolev can develop some of the on/off ice chemistry with the Marlies that we saw with Kappy/Nylander/Hyman/Brown. That group seemed to be really tight, and they genuinely looked like they were having fun down there. That time was so crucial for all of their developments IMO. They all came up, and virtually never looked back. I don't want Nick in the show until we feel he is completely ready. I want him to never look back.
 
Wheeler's evaluations on our prospects in the tournament. I will only put the ones that are on NHL deals/draft picks.

Standouts
LW Nick Robertson (No. 53, 2019): Robertson was consistently the Leafs’ most dangerous player offensively throughout the tournament. He created from his very first shift and didn’t let up (until he was given a five-minute major on his very last shift). His energy was ramped up as usual; you can see it in the way he creeps into the faceoff circle or the effort he displays on the backcheck or steals or some of the second effort plays he makes after he loses a battle. There was lots of heel-to-heel. He was all over it on the forecheck applying pressure and forcing defenders into difficult choices. His curl-and-drag wrister popped. He showed impressive touch on some very difficult saucer passes over sticks and bodies. He transported a lot of pucks through neutral ice with his feet where he took off and created entries himself. My only nitpicks were that he pulled the trigger whenever there was an opportunity a little too eagerly and he tried too often to force things or be cute with his hands.

C Mikhail Abramov (No. 115, 2019): Abramov finished tied for second in the tournament in scoring with six points in four games and his east-west vision really distinguished him in the group (though I would have liked to see him get off the perimeter a little more with the puck). His skating looked breezy and he has this knack for hanging onto the puck until his options open up, without hanging onto it too long — and then passing around sticks and feet. And when there isn’t a play to make that involves hanging onto it, he anticipates the play so well that when he gets the puck he can make a quick play. He also looked good defensively, stripping several pucks.

C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev (No. 76, 2018): SDA got better with every game — and that’s after scoring in the opener. He looks boxier out there, for sure. He played through a lot of contact to hang onto the puck for extended sequences and pulled the trigger more aggressively (his 13 shots finished as the second-most on the team). I thought he was forcing it at times instead of playing with that easy comfort that makes him who he is, but he was excellent by the time the third game rolled around and impactful throughout.

Other Notes

LW Pavel Gogolev (NHL deal): Gogolev didn’t dominate but he played with pace in transition and I thought his stride looked really clean, which is a good sign for him


RHD William Villeneuve (N0. 122, 2020): I noticed Villeneuve a lot. It wasn’t always for good reasons but he was very involved. He activated early and often, both in joining the rush deep into the zone and looking to use his feet to attack off the line instead of catching into a standstill. His gaps looked good and crossovers looked smooth through neutral ice (though his reads were still iffy and his decision-making still needs a little tightening). He made some crafty plays out of his crossovers and his control through some difficult skating patterns looked good (which is a big deal for him). But it was a roller coaster.
 


Here is the assist

I can't wait to watch him this year at WJC. Has to be one of the front runner's to go BTB best defensemen of the tournament. I thought last year he got that award a touch undeservedly. Thought Byrom was clearly the best D-men by a mile. But Topi got it because of his Pts total. Nonetheless, I do imagine He should get PP1 time and top pairing minutes for Finland this time around with Heinola not on the squad.

He was an absolute treat to watch last year in that tournament. Great to see him picking up where he left off Pre injury last season
 
You just wish that there was a mechanism, for bringing these guys over... buy them out, put him on the Marlies, develop him properly...
He still practices with the team, hopefully watches game tape, works out with weights so it’ not all lost. He should be expected to see some ice time when injuries mount up.
 
Just read that's he's been on the ice for 8 ES goals against, not sure if he's to blame for some of those or not though. I'm more interested in his defensive game.

Haven't checked out a game yet, but here is the context (Team defenseman ranking in brackets - 8 guys have played 3 or more games):

5GP - 1G/5A/6P (T-1st)
19:55 ATOI (4th)
38.4GF%
50% OZS% (T-4th)
50% CF% (+6.2 rel)
13.9 oiSH% (3rd)
.833 oiSV% (8th)
97.2 PDO (8th)

So it looks like his team isn't nearly as good as it was last year, but he's playing top-4 minutes in based on both ATOI and the toughness of his minutes. The goals against seem like a fluke as he and his partner are the only two guys with that awful oiSV% that just won't last. Four guys on defense have a 100% oiSV%. Two guys are over .940. Unless they're specifically ruining their teams life (doesn't look like it based on his CF% being the best of the top-4). He's still great at pushing play the right way and the production is great. Doubt it's anything to worry about rn.
 
That +6.2 relative corsi from 50% offensive zone starts is quite impressive. His on ice save percentage looks worrying but i think it will improve as he plays more games and as that pdo normalizes to 100.

Points wise, if he can get 0.5points per game, I will be very optimistic.
 
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1.5 periods into his season debut for Amirov and he's looked tremendous. Looks a ton more confident with the puck. He's carrying it up the ice with authority and shooting it a lot more often. He's also threaded some really nice passes into the slot for a couple of high danger chances where his teammates haven't produced. Overall, he looks like he has taken that next step (so far).
 
1.5 periods into his season debut for Amirov and he's looked tremendous. Looks a ton more confident with the puck. He's carrying it up the ice with authority and shooting it a lot more often. He's also threaded some really nice passes into the slot for a couple of high danger chances where his teammates haven't produced. Overall, he looks like he has taken that next step (so far).
thanks for the update! Is he getting a decent amount of TOI?
 
1.5 periods into his season debut for Amirov and he's looked tremendous. Looks a ton more confident with the puck. He's carrying it up the ice with authority and shooting it a lot more often. He's also threaded some really nice passes into the slot for a couple of high danger chances where his teammates haven't produced. Overall, he looks like he has taken that next step (so far).
Just picked up a primary assist just seconds into his first shift in the 3rd period. Playing RW, looks like 3rd line.

He looks really good.
 
He still practices with the team, hopefully watches game tape, works out with weights so it’ not all lost. He should be expected to see some ice time when injuries mount up.
I donno, I have a hard time believing MLSE and player are thrilled with this. There's not a chance in hell that the Leafs will be OK with him just practicing for a year.

Again, I recognize this is sometimes par for the course with youth in the KHL. Especially potential NA bound youth, But I just can't see any logic in dressing a player at any level and not using them. Like I said last time this happened, unless they are allowed to dress 13 forwards, this makes zero sense.

Things will inevitably change in due time, but if Dmitry is happy with this, maybe we have to reconsider his intentions as a hockey player. I don't know 1 player with NHL asportations who would be willing to give up a year just to practice, regardless of income
 
I donno, I have a hard time believing MLSE and player are thrilled with this. There's not a chance in hell that the Leafs will be OK with him just practicing for a year.

Again, I recognize this is sometimes par for the course with youth in the KHL. Especially potential NA bound youth, But I just can't see any logic in dressing a player at any level and not using them. Like I said last time this happened, unless they are allowed to dress 13 forwards, this makes zero sense.

Things will inevitably change in due time, but if Dmitry is happy with this, maybe we have to reconsider his intentions as a hockey player. I don't know 1 player with NHL asportations who would be willing to give up a year just to practice, regardless of income

I'm surprised about it as well, but if we as a message board knew this was a thing since last season, I can guarantee the Leafs knew about it too. They probably talked to him, asked him what he thought and respected his wishes. No idea how long his contract is over there, but the Leafs aren't going to rock the boat on a guy that isn't Amirov level.
 
I still can't believe Mukhamudulin went in the 1st round. The guy has no hockey sense *whatsoever*.

Must be nice to be gigantic, able to wear skates, and from a hockey power country that can't produce any defenseman.
 
I'm surprised about it as well, but if we as a message board knew this was a thing since last season, I can guarantee the Leafs knew about it too. They probably talked to him, asked him what he thought and respected his wishes. No idea how long his contract is over there, but the Leafs aren't going to rock the boat on a guy that isn't Amirov level.
yup you're probably not wrong.

I don't question the Leafs development staff for not intervening yet. It is way too early. Like people have said, injuries occur in every league. He will eventually play here and there.

But I can't imagine if this persists for months on end that they will be OK with this
 
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Just a great pass. What might be even more impressive is taking that pass on his backhand in transition and how he didn't lose a step. Just puts so much pressure on the defense.

Guys play for 20 years and can't do shit like that.


Even if his offensive package doesn't translate over to NA (say he can't find time and space for his shot consistently), there's no way you can keep him out of the top-6 when he's such a perfect complement to skilled forwards. Same role as Hyman but based off of IQ instead of raw effort. Every time I've watched him, he has an uncanny tendency to push play in the right direction and make life easier for his team.
 
Being able to insert Robertson and Amirov to our top 9 next year is gonna make our cap situation much easier to handle…

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