Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread
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We are slowly but surely seeing the benefits of Dubas’ draft philosophy.
As he said in the BluePrint episode during the team meetings, he doesn’t care if someone is 5’2, or 6’10, he wants to the best player.
Sometimes that’s a big player like Knies. Sometimes that’s a guy like Robertson.
As he said in the BluePrint episode during the team meetings, he doesn’t care if someone is 5’2, or 6’10, he wants to the best player.
Sometimes that’s a big player like Knies. Sometimes that’s a guy like Robertson.
kerk
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he is cursed
Thats probably it for him with the Leafs unfortunately. That's really too bad.
I was rooting for him.
SeaOfBlue
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he is cursed
The good news is that it lets Petruzzelli be the Growlers starter. Need another goalie for them now though.
Marlies still need to trade a goalie, and I hope Scott can still get himself together so Petruzzelli has some competition going forward.
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stickty111
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This is my end of year prospect report.
10. D. Mikko Kokkonen
LYR: 8
Overview
Kokkonen is one of the different types of prospects in the system. Much like the 1st pick in last year’s draft, many people thought Leafs had gotten a prospect that fell for some reason, and really liked this pick as a result. He went in the 3rd round at 84th overall. Kokkonen had a terrific draft year playing for Jukurit in the Finnish League being a top defenseman on the team. This season Kokkonen had a slow start with the injury, and trying to get back to himself after the injury, and it showed in his game, but he really picked it up in the 2nd half of the season despite being on a weak team. This season Kokkonen was a stand out on again a bad Jukurit team. Despite his limited production, Kokkonen had a great season while playing tough minutes, and still driving play and carrying the defence core on many nights. He joined the Marlies after the year and showed he has tools offensively that don’t come out on Jukurit. He is a solid prospect, and if he can continue to develop his game in the next couple seasons, he could become a piece for the Leafs on the backend.
Stats
2019/2020
Liiga
GP: 39
Goals: 3
Assists: 7
Points: 10
Rating: -6
CF%: 42.7
TOI: 18:57
2020/2021
Liiga
GP: 50
Goals: 1
Assists: 9
Points: 10
Rating: -17
CF%: 51.3
TOI: 21:51
Statistical Analysis
Kokkonen had great numbers in a good league, and this came as a surprise for a player of Kokkonen’s nature. 14 of the 19 points came at ES, and 5 on the PP, which showed he wasn’t just propped up by the Power play. Jukurit was on a weak team so that made the production even more impressive. His possession numbers weren’t good at all though, but again it’s tough to take anything away from that when looking at his team. He also played a fringe top 4 role on the team as a 17 year old. This season he really struggled at the start, and wasn’t able to find his game for some time. Afterwards, he looked more like the player he was last season where he was more impactful in the game. His possession numbers are still really low, and again the team isn’t good either. While again I think we need to see Kokkonen on a better team to get an accurate picture, there might be enough of a sample size to think he just might just not drive play well. However, Kokkonen’s minutes increased by over a minute which also plays in his favour for his performance. This season, Kokkonen erased any comcerns of him not able to drive play. On another dreadful Jukurit team, Kokkonen and fellow Leafs prospect Axel Rindell were the only players who would consistently get the puck moving in the right direction. Kokkonen was the only regular to have CF% of 50 or higher. The only thing missing was the production, but it’s tough to say if that’s because of the team or him lacking offense. The positive is Kokkonen was nearly PPG in a handful of games with the Marlies when he came over, so that’s a good sign for him. Him going to a good team this season will tell how much offense he has.
Talent Analysis
Breakdown of grades:
1- Poor
2- Below average
3- Average
4- Good
5- Great
Player Grades: Present/Future
Skating: 3/3.5
Shot: 2.5/3
Puck Skills: 3/3
Defence: 4/4.5
Compete: 3/3
IQ/Smarts: 4/4
Honestly this is the only thing that makes me put a pause on Kokkonen. His skating is average at best, but it looked improved from the previous year, and don’t think it’s a fatal flaw. it’s pretty decent when he gets going, but it takes him a little time to get started, and his speed is just meh. I feel like this will get to above average, as I don’t think it’s a technique problem which would be a huge red flag for me, but more like he just needs some work with Barb Underhill. All though I don’t expect him to ever be a smooth skater.
The draft year production might indicate offensive potential, but he isn’t known for it. He isn’t a flashy player, and doesn’t have skills that make you say wow. What he does have is solid passing skills when making a first pass, or when on playing on the powerplay. His playmaking does get underrated at times, and it’s why he gets PP time, but it’s not what really makes him go as a player. He has made some great rushes when he starts playing more aggressively, and weaves around players in the neutral zone, but it’s not really his game. What I do like is he’s a pretty decent puck handler, and controls it well. I just don’t like defensemen who just throw it away, and Kokkonen can actually handle it which is good. His shot isn’t anything special, but he keeps it low and gets it on net. He doesn’t force shots and for a player like him, that’s all you should ask for.
If you have read his scouting reports or just seen him, scouts love his defensive game, and even Scott Wheeler has said he plays beyond his years defensively. This is impressive considering a lot of the players his age need to develop this aspect. Kokkonen plays close to his check, and uses his stick and feet well. What makes him so good is his positioning. He reads the play well and knows exactly what he should be doing. Whether it’s when he has to stay in position when the opposition are moving around the puck, or just have having the correct body position, Kokkonen makes the right play. He uses his stick well to cut off passing lanes to stave off a potentially good chance. Kokkonen doesn’t use physicality, but more positioning and awareness to play solid defence.
I haven’t seen anything out of the ordinary for his compete, so he gets the 3 as normally prospects do.
His hockey IQ is strong. We have seen it in the analysis of his defensive game, but he uses it well offensively too. Despite not having high end skills, the reason he produces is because of his smarts. He can get himself open to receive as pass in the offensive zone, and makes calculated decisions on when he should be aggressive in carrying the puck, or just drop back and make a simple pass out of the zone as usual. There isn’t much risk in his game, and he makes the right decisions on what to do offensively with the puck and without the puck.
My future projection: I feel really good about his chances of making the NHL. He plays the way you want defensemen to play, and his game is extremely translatable. He had a great growth season but his time with the Pelicans will tell us how good he is dependent on his offense.
10. D. Mikko Kokkonen
LYR: 8
Overview
Kokkonen is one of the different types of prospects in the system. Much like the 1st pick in last year’s draft, many people thought Leafs had gotten a prospect that fell for some reason, and really liked this pick as a result. He went in the 3rd round at 84th overall. Kokkonen had a terrific draft year playing for Jukurit in the Finnish League being a top defenseman on the team. This season Kokkonen had a slow start with the injury, and trying to get back to himself after the injury, and it showed in his game, but he really picked it up in the 2nd half of the season despite being on a weak team. This season Kokkonen was a stand out on again a bad Jukurit team. Despite his limited production, Kokkonen had a great season while playing tough minutes, and still driving play and carrying the defence core on many nights. He joined the Marlies after the year and showed he has tools offensively that don’t come out on Jukurit. He is a solid prospect, and if he can continue to develop his game in the next couple seasons, he could become a piece for the Leafs on the backend.
Stats
2019/2020
Liiga
GP: 39
Goals: 3
Assists: 7
Points: 10
Rating: -6
CF%: 42.7
TOI: 18:57
2020/2021
Liiga
GP: 50
Goals: 1
Assists: 9
Points: 10
Rating: -17
CF%: 51.3
TOI: 21:51
Statistical Analysis
Kokkonen had great numbers in a good league, and this came as a surprise for a player of Kokkonen’s nature. 14 of the 19 points came at ES, and 5 on the PP, which showed he wasn’t just propped up by the Power play. Jukurit was on a weak team so that made the production even more impressive. His possession numbers weren’t good at all though, but again it’s tough to take anything away from that when looking at his team. He also played a fringe top 4 role on the team as a 17 year old. This season he really struggled at the start, and wasn’t able to find his game for some time. Afterwards, he looked more like the player he was last season where he was more impactful in the game. His possession numbers are still really low, and again the team isn’t good either. While again I think we need to see Kokkonen on a better team to get an accurate picture, there might be enough of a sample size to think he just might just not drive play well. However, Kokkonen’s minutes increased by over a minute which also plays in his favour for his performance. This season, Kokkonen erased any comcerns of him not able to drive play. On another dreadful Jukurit team, Kokkonen and fellow Leafs prospect Axel Rindell were the only players who would consistently get the puck moving in the right direction. Kokkonen was the only regular to have CF% of 50 or higher. The only thing missing was the production, but it’s tough to say if that’s because of the team or him lacking offense. The positive is Kokkonen was nearly PPG in a handful of games with the Marlies when he came over, so that’s a good sign for him. Him going to a good team this season will tell how much offense he has.
Talent Analysis
Breakdown of grades:
1- Poor
2- Below average
3- Average
4- Good
5- Great
Player Grades: Present/Future
Skating: 3/3.5
Shot: 2.5/3
Puck Skills: 3/3
Defence: 4/4.5
Compete: 3/3
IQ/Smarts: 4/4
Honestly this is the only thing that makes me put a pause on Kokkonen. His skating is average at best, but it looked improved from the previous year, and don’t think it’s a fatal flaw. it’s pretty decent when he gets going, but it takes him a little time to get started, and his speed is just meh. I feel like this will get to above average, as I don’t think it’s a technique problem which would be a huge red flag for me, but more like he just needs some work with Barb Underhill. All though I don’t expect him to ever be a smooth skater.
The draft year production might indicate offensive potential, but he isn’t known for it. He isn’t a flashy player, and doesn’t have skills that make you say wow. What he does have is solid passing skills when making a first pass, or when on playing on the powerplay. His playmaking does get underrated at times, and it’s why he gets PP time, but it’s not what really makes him go as a player. He has made some great rushes when he starts playing more aggressively, and weaves around players in the neutral zone, but it’s not really his game. What I do like is he’s a pretty decent puck handler, and controls it well. I just don’t like defensemen who just throw it away, and Kokkonen can actually handle it which is good. His shot isn’t anything special, but he keeps it low and gets it on net. He doesn’t force shots and for a player like him, that’s all you should ask for.
If you have read his scouting reports or just seen him, scouts love his defensive game, and even Scott Wheeler has said he plays beyond his years defensively. This is impressive considering a lot of the players his age need to develop this aspect. Kokkonen plays close to his check, and uses his stick and feet well. What makes him so good is his positioning. He reads the play well and knows exactly what he should be doing. Whether it’s when he has to stay in position when the opposition are moving around the puck, or just have having the correct body position, Kokkonen makes the right play. He uses his stick well to cut off passing lanes to stave off a potentially good chance. Kokkonen doesn’t use physicality, but more positioning and awareness to play solid defence.
I haven’t seen anything out of the ordinary for his compete, so he gets the 3 as normally prospects do.
His hockey IQ is strong. We have seen it in the analysis of his defensive game, but he uses it well offensively too. Despite not having high end skills, the reason he produces is because of his smarts. He can get himself open to receive as pass in the offensive zone, and makes calculated decisions on when he should be aggressive in carrying the puck, or just drop back and make a simple pass out of the zone as usual. There isn’t much risk in his game, and he makes the right decisions on what to do offensively with the puck and without the puck.
My future projection: I feel really good about his chances of making the NHL. He plays the way you want defensemen to play, and his game is extremely translatable. He had a great growth season but his time with the Pelicans will tell us how good he is dependent on his offense.
Joe miller so far has 3 assists in 2 games. He may pull an abbruzzese this season. Haven’t been able to dig highlights and the secret site will probably start uploading streams in december/january.
stickty111
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From Kokkonen's last game. What a rush.
Leaf Fans
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pretty sure that has to be a Marlies lineup as there needs to be a certain number of NHL players playing in preseason games
Stigma
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If this is our Marlies line-up this year then I'm definitely going to some games. Epic.
LeafChief
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I'd imagine that's where Ho-Sang starts. Do you think there's a chance Gusev acecpts that? I'd love if he did.
SeaOfBlue
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Steeves? McKenna?
While it is plausible that Ho-Sang ends up on the Marlies, I highly doubt Gusev is willing to stick around when he can make good money in the KHL, and I imagine the Leafs are going to have Engvall stay in the NHL to play on the 4th line if they don't trade him. We'd only have 12 NHL forwards it looks like and one of them would be Simmonds, who should not be in the lineup full time.
LW Nick Robertson (SNP) – C Adam Brooks (TWF) – RW Josh Ho-Sang (PLY)
LW Pavel Gogolev (SNP) – C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev (PLY) – RW Joey Anderson (GRN)
LW Brett Seney (PLY) – C Michael Amadio (TWF) – RW Alex Steeves (TWF)
LW Marc Michaelis (GRN) – C Mikhail Abramov (PLY) – RW Jeremy McKenna (TWF)
LW Antti Suomela (TWF) - C Curtis Douglas (GRN) – RW Kurtis Gabriel (ENF)
LW Rich Clune (ENF)
Kopacka, Power, O'Brien, McMann, Green, and Chyzowski in the ECHL.
zeke
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Yep, obviously a decent chance that none of Gusev, Ho-Sang, Engvall play for the Marlies this year.
But possible.
Brooks might slip through but I don't see any way Anderson goes unclaimed. He'll be one of the best options available by far. Would be really unfortunate to lose him for nothing.
Engvall's 1.2m might make him unattractive, but i'd bet on him being claimed too. 6'5" centre/wing who can play on a good PK and score at a 12-15 goal pace will be scooperd up by a team like OTT/AZ trying to get above the cap floor.
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I think it might be smart to start Steeves in the ECHL. He is an undrafted FA without much hype. I'd rather he get big minutes to start, rather than be a consistent healthy scratch to start.
McKenna could go either way too. Wouldn't be surprised to see him start with the Growlers.
There would only be 12 forwards on the Leafs without Engvall, but that is better than having only 6 defenseman. It makes a lot more sense to carry an extra defenseman than a forward. Engvall could still clear waivers, if he doesn't Robertson gets a better opportunity.
hockeynorth
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I see the Marlies like
Robertson-Amadio-Ho Sang
Gogolev-SDA-Steeves
Engvall-Abramov-Anderson
Seney-Douglas-Gabriel
Robertson-Amadio-Ho Sang
Gogolev-SDA-Steeves
Engvall-Abramov-Anderson
Seney-Douglas-Gabriel
SeaOfBlue
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Nobody is really a consistent healthy scratch in the AHL. 14 or 15 forwards consistently get in the lineup every year, and that is excluding injuries and callups. Considering Steeves is easily a top 12, if not top 9, forward on the Marlies this year, he should be in the AHL and getting good minutes too (PP for sure, and possibly PK as well). Considering McKenna had a good amount of success in the AHL last year, I imagine he is in the lineup as well. Douglas is the one who may end up in the ECHL, but we seem to like him a lot so he will likely get a fair opportunity in the AHL, at least to start.
If we are healthy scratching guys consistently, it will be Gabriel and Clune. We are a much better team, so Clune should be back to being the 16th forward again, and Gabriel is replacing Sabourin, who rarely got into the lineup even when our team sucked and had few better options to use.
To be honest there's absolutely no reason why Anderson should be with the Marlies. He's an NHLer. He can play
There's absolutely nothing Mikaheyev or Simmonds does that's signigicantly valuable than Anderson
Engvall will not be with the Marlies. He has proven he can play in this league and play rather well in a limited role
He goes into waivers, he's getting picked up
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