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stickty111 said:
Strange game deserved a strange ending..
Miettenen had some moments and his shot is what we expected. It's going to be an adjustment for him but decent start. Like his compete off the puck in transition defensively.
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I didn't catch the third period. How did it end?
 
On the bright side the Finland stoppage doesn't effect our guys too much (other than Rindell & Hollowell).

Kokkonen, Niemela, and Hirvonen are definitely going to the bubble in a week or so anyway. Hopefully Loponen goes with them.
 
Both Hirvonen and Amirov in action today. Looking forward to seeing how they do!

Hirvonen looks firmly locked in as the 1C in Assat.
 
The Podium said:
I wonder how all those crying about size during the draft feel now....
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I understand how we end up drafting the way we do. Dubas is looking for players who the team of scouts, and himself, perceive to have more value, than their draft position. To this day, players are overvalued by their size, than their skill set, so it's not going to be very often, that bigger players, end up on this teams screen. You get guys like Caufield and Robertson, that skill wise, are much higher in their draft, but don't end up getting selected their, due to size. Then you get guys like Gauthier and Biggs, who are drafted higher than they should be, because they are 6'5" every day.

I'd love to have a Braden Schneider in our system, but doing so, is like perpetually losing trades... you've got to reach/overpay to get them... and we could use some size and grit in the organization, I get that.. but when you are value shopping, you aren't going to get these guys.
 
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Wheeler did a QA today and said while he wouldn't go as far as saying Amirov is a steal, he says the pick is looking better and better, and thinks he is better then a couple players taken before him.
 

Taken from the Finland thread.
That 1st pair is pretty much a guarantee. Kokkonen likely plays a shutdown role. Loponen has an outside shot to make it.
The 3rd line with both Hirvonen and Miettenen together would be nice to see.
 
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LeafChief said:
A lot of them don't post here anymore. It's almost like they were burner accounts :O
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I like our picks but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We drafted undersized skill players, of course they're showing skill and putting up some points. It's fun to see as a fan especially since stat watching and short highlights are the extent of what most fans see from Prospects.

That said I don't see any of our 2020 picks (super early still obviously) blowing expectations away, like say Robertson from last draft. Basically everyone is tracking well but also more or less as expected (stats wise).

I think back to the 2015 draft and how excited everyone was watching Bracco, Dzierkals, Timashov and Korostelev pile up points in their D+1 years.
 
VanW27 said:
I think back to the 2015 draft and how excited everyone was watching Bracco, Dzierkals, Timashov and Korostelev pile up points in their D+1 years.
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"Pile up points"

Korostelev regressed hard (.79PPG) and Dzierkals was barely a point-per-game player in the easiest CHL league.

Timashov is an NHL player with Detroit and Bracco will likely get a chance with Carolina. If not for Bracco's attitude/off-ice issues, his talent level and production would have led to an NHL career. For mid round picks, that's a win.
 
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VanW27 said:
I like our picks but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We drafted undersized skill players, of course they're showing skill and putting up some points. It's fun to see as a fan especially since stat watching and short highlights are the extent of what most fans see from Prospects.

That said I don't see any of our 2020 picks (super early still obviously) blowing expectations away, like say Robertson from last draft. Basically everyone is tracking well but also more or less as expected (stats wise).

I think back to the 2015 draft and how excited everyone was watching Bracco, Dzierkals, Timashov and Korostelev pile up points in their D+1 years.
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Korostelev actually didn't do that well in his D+1 year. Outside of an early stretch in his D+2 year, which was fairly promising, he was never really that great. Same with Dzierkals. I think people were excited about them because they actually had skill for once, but under today's standards, they were worse than Stotts (who went unsigned and nobody was ever super excited about him).

I still have hope for Timashov and Bracco.
 
stickty111 said:

Taken from the Finland thread.
That 1st pair is pretty much a guarantee. Kokkonen likely plays a shutdown role. Loponen has an outside shot to make it.
The 3rd line with both Hirvonen and Miettenen together would be nice to see.
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Wow, 4 pretty much guaranteed then? And a possible 5th? Thats quite a few for the same team.

You add in Robertson possibly being there for America and possibly 2-3 Russians. Thats some good representation this year!
 
stickty111 said:

Taken from the Finland thread.
That 1st pair is pretty much a guarantee. Kokkonen likely plays a shutdown role. Loponen has an outside shot to make it.
The 3rd line with both Hirvonen and Miettenen together would be nice to see.
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Based on this depth chart Kotkaniemi would be the 4th line center if he was still eligible for this tournament
 
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VanW27 said:
I like our picks but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We drafted undersized skill players, of course they're showing skill and putting up some points. It's fun to see as a fan especially since stat watching and short highlights are the extent of what most fans see from Prospects.

That said I don't see any of our 2020 picks (super early still obviously) blowing expectations away, like say Robertson from last draft. Basically everyone is tracking well but also more or less as expected (stats wise).

I think back to the 2015 draft and how excited everyone was watching Bracco, Dzierkals, Timashov and Korostelev pile up points in their D+1 years.
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With all due respect I think you may be misremembering.
 
Morgs said:
A) Dermott is not a "marginal 3rd pairing defenseman". He's the best 3rd pairing defenseman in hockey, and clearly has more to offer.

B) I've read multiple times Dubas' choice was Aho, but Hunter wanted Dermott and we got Dermott because he was the final deciding factor. Andersson would have been a marginally better choice, but I'd take Dermott easily over any of Carlo, Cernak, and Hintz.

C) Hirvonen was a fine 2nd round choice, and just because you took one quote from a website where you're ignoring most and describing him (incorrectly) doesn't mean you have a case that he was a bad choice. It's too early to tell. Stop worrying about NHL players size, it's not 1960.

D) Stop bringing up the 2015 draft, it was a fine draft as we managed to hit on our high % picks (1st/2nd), but the excitement was solely due to a regime change where we stopped taking exclusively low-skill, decent-floor guys. Go back and look at the difference between 2008-2014 (Burke/Nonis) and 2015 outside the top-10. It was like a weight was lifted off most Leaf fans backs as some of these guys drafted outside the top-10 actually looked like they COULD be something. We were wrong, especially about Hunter (and lots of us could see it after 2016) but we took a step in the right direction. Since 2018 by virtually every model/prospect expert we've become easily a top-5 organization at drafting- but that's all speculation until about 3-5 years after a draft when you can actually see what these players will become. For now, you need to look at these players as assets, and see that almost every pick in the Dubas era has either kept their stock or improved it.
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VanW27 said:
I like our picks but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We drafted undersized skill players, of course they're showing skill and putting up some points. It's fun to see as a fan especially since stat watching and short highlights are the extent of what most fans see from Prospects.

That said I don't see any of our 2020 picks (super early still obviously) blowing expectations away, like say Robertson from last draft. Basically everyone is tracking well but also more or less as expected (stats wise).

I think back to the 2015 draft and how excited everyone was watching Bracco, Dzierkals, Timashov and Korostelev pile up points in their D+1 years.
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While I get what you mean, but I'm going to post the above post by @Morgs. Look at point D specifically. The reason people were excited for 2015 was because of a change in regime. We finally started taking pure skill in terms of low ceiling types. What we didn't know is we didn't take into account other elements in a prospect. Not too mention we went back to low ceiling types in 2016 and 2017.
You can't compare what we have done under Dubas last 3 years to 2015. Yes we focused on skill, but unlike 2015, Dubas's main trait in his proepects has been IQ. Thats the biggest difference from 2015.
 
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