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Mikhail Abramov QMJHL VIC
Games: 4 Goals: 2 Assists: 6 Points: 8 SOG: 8 DS: 3 Rating: +5 ESP: 8 PPP: 0 SHP: 0 FO%: 58.8 CF%: NA TOI: NA POW: POM:

William Villeneuve QMJHL SJ
Games: 11 Goals: 1 Assists: 3 Points: 4 SOG: 29 DS: 5 Rating: -2 ESP: 1 PPP: 3 SHP: POW: POM:

Mikko Kokkonen Liga Jukurit
Games: 10 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: 15 Rating: -4 ESP: PPP: CF%: 50.6 TOI: 21:21 POW: POM:

Axel Rindell Liga Jukurit
Games: 10 Goals: 1 Assists: 4 Points: 5 SOG: 16 Rating: -5 ESP: 2 PPP: 3 CF%: 47.4 TOI: 21:18 POW: POM:

Rino Hirvonen Liga Assat
Games: 12 Goals: 2 Assists: 2 Points: 4 SOG: 24 Rating: -4 ESP: 4 PPP: CF%: 46.5 TOI: 14:39 FO%: 55.4 POW: POM:

Eemeli Rasanen Liga HPK
Games: 6 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: 1
Rating: -1 ESP: PPP: CF%: 40.6 NA TOI: 14:18 POW: POM:

Kalle Loponen Nourten SM Liga Karpat U20
Games: 16 Goals: 3 Assists: 7 Points: 10 SOG: Rating: +8 ESP: PPP: CF%: NA TOI: NA
Liga Karpat
Games: 1 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: 1 Rating: even ESP: PPP: CF%: 78.6 TOI: 10:09

Topi Niemela Liga Karpat
Games: 3 Goals: Assists: 1 Points: 1 SOG: 2
Rating: -1 ESP: 1 PPP: CF%: 58.3 NA TOI: 13:15 POW: POM:
SM Liga Karpat U20
Games: 6 Goals: 1 Assists: 3 Points: 4 SOG: Rating: even ESP: PPP: CF%: NA TOI: NA

Pontus Holmberg SHL Vaxjo
Games: 12 Goals: 5 Assists: 2 Points: 7 SOG: 16 Rating: even ESP: 4 PPP: 3 CF%: 53.11 TOI: 16:19 POW: 2 POM:

Filip Hallander SHL Lulea
Games: 9 Goals: 1 Assists: 4 Points: 5 SOG: 25 Rating: +1 ESP: 3 PPP: 2 CF%: 56.58 TOI: 15.35 POW: 1 POM:

Rodion Amirov KHL Salavat
Games: 19 Goals: 3 Assists: 3 Points: 6 SOG: 30 Rating: -5 ESP: 2 PPP: 4 CF%: TOI: 14:22 POW: POM:

Yegor Korshkov KHL Lokomotiv
Games: 21 Goals: 6 Assists: 8 Points: 14 SOG: 50 Rating: +3 ESP: 10 PPP: 4 CF%: NA TOI: 15:46 POW: POM:

Semyon Kizimov KHL Nizhiny
Games: 4 Goals: Assists: Points: SOG: Rating: +1 ESP: 0 PPP: CF%: NA TOI: 7:03 POW: POM:
VHL Lada
Games: 6 Goals: 3 Assists: 2 Points: 5 SOG: 6 Rating: +3 ESP: 5 PPP: CF%: NA TOI: 15:04 POW: POM

SDA KHL Nizhiny
Games: 2 Goals: 1 Assists: Points: 1 SOG: 4 Rating: +1 ESP: 1 PPP: CF%: NA TOI: 10:12 FO%: 55.6 POW: POM:

Artur Akhtyamov KHL Bars Kazan
Games: 3 GAA: 2.90 SV%: .904 SO: POW: POM:
VHL Bars
Games: 6 GAA: 1.30 SV%: .940 SO: 1 POW: POM:
MHL Bars
Games: 3 GAA: 1.67 SV%: .926 SO: POW: 1 POM:

Vladislav Kara KHL Severstal
Games: 16 Goals: 1 Assists: 2 Points: 3 SOG: 33 Rating: -2 ESP: 1 PPP: 1 SHP: 1 CF%: TOI: 12:59 POW: POM:

Filip Kral Chance Liga Prerov
Games: 7 Goals: 2 Assists: 8 Points: 10 SOG: 22 Rating: +4 ESP: 5 PPP: 4 SHP: 1 CF%: 56.11 TOI: 25:35 POW: POM:

Dmitri Ovchinnikov MHL Sibiriskie
Games: 13 Goals: 9 Assists: 11 Points: 20 SOG: 36 Rating: +5 ESP: 16 PPP: 3 SHP: 1 CF%: TOI: 22:45 POW: 1 POM: 1

This is only including the guys who have started so far.
 
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stickty111 said:
Prospect of the week #4
Ovchinnikov gets it this week. He had an outstanding 3 game stretch with 3 goals and 5 assists. 7 of them were at ES and 1 SH.
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He's such an interesting prospect. He's really forced me to look at past guys in the MHL and compare.

Here are the U18 seasons in the MHL that have scored a PPG or better (10GP or more):

1. Kucherov (1.41) - 17 years old
2. Gusev (1.19) - 17
3. Golyshev (1.17) - 17
4. Guryanov (1.09) - 17
5. Pilipenko (1.07) - 17
T-6. Pashin (1.05) - 17
T-6. Michkov (1.05) - 15 (lol)
8. Tyanulin (1.03) - 17
T-9. Kucherov (1.02) - 16
T-9. Ovchinnikov (1.02) - 17

This is the 12th season of the MHL, and only 9 players have ever had a PPG or better season in their draft year or earlier while playing over 10 games. Of those 9 guys here is what I'd consider them to be:

NHL star - Kucherov
Good NHL player - Gusev, Guryanov
Potential NHL player in some capacity - Golyshev
Probably nothing - Pilipenko, Tyanulin

Drafted this year: Pashin (CAR 7th), Ovchinnikov (TOR 5th)
Probable #1OA pick (2023) - Michkov

It'll be interesting to see if him (or Pashin) can be part of the 50% of guys that became at least good NHL'ers.
 
Morgs said:
He's such an interesting prospect. He's really forced me to look at past guys in the MHL and compare.

Here are the U18 seasons in the MHL that have scored a PPG or better (10GP or more):

1. Kucherov (1.41) - 17 years old
2. Gusev (1.19) - 17
3. Golyshev (1.17) - 17
4. Guryanov (1.09) - 17
5. Pilipenko (1.07) - 17
T-6. Pashin (1.05) - 17
T-6. Michkov (1.05) - 15 (lol)
8. Tyanulin (1.03) - 17
T-9. Kucherov (1.02) - 16
T-9. Ovchinnikov (1.02) - 17

This is the 12th season of the MHL, and only 9 players have ever had a PPG or better season in their draft year or earlier while playing over 10 games. Of those 9 guys here is what I'd consider them to be:

NHL star - Kucherov
Good NHL player - Gusev, Guryanov
Potential NHL player in some capacity - Golyshev
Probably nothing - Pilipenko, Tyanulin

Drafted this year: Pashin (CAR 7th), Ovchinnikov (TOR 5th)
Probable #1OA pick (2023) - Michkov

It'll be interesting to see if him (or Pashin) can be part of the 50% of guys that became at least good NHL'ers.
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I would not really worry much about MHL production but rather what they do either in the pro leagues or in international competition. There is not enough parity for it to be a very flawed indication of performance.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I would not really worry much about MHL production but rather what they do either in the pro leagues or in international competition. There is not enough parity for it to be a very flawed indication of performance.
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I'm aware, but all we have in regards to him is the past performance of the league as he hasn't really had the opportunity to represent internationally or play in pro. Either way, it's impressive to note that he did that while being the youngest 17 year old on the list as well. He's without a doubt an interesting prospect (even though I know you're not a huge fan of him).

If I'm the Leafs though my issue starts after this season. Since Sibir has no VHL team, and I've read their VHL "affiliate" is around 2000 km away, he HAS to get actual minutes in the KHL, or we need to bring him to NA. ECHL/AHL if we don't like the team that takes him in the import draft, but that's also assuming the pandemic is "over" at the beginning of the 2021-22 season. Dominating the MHL is fantastic, but he was one of the best players in the league at 17, the guy is far too good for it now.
 
Prospect of the month #1
It can only go to Ovchinnikov since he is the only one who played regularly, while the others either had a break or had games cancelled because of Covid. He had 9 points in 5 games.
 
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Morgs said:
He's such an interesting prospect. He's really forced me to look at past guys in the MHL and compare.

Here are the U18 seasons in the MHL that have scored a PPG or better (10GP or more):

1. Kucherov (1.41) - 17 years old
2. Gusev (1.19) - 17
3. Golyshev (1.17) - 17
4. Guryanov (1.09) - 17
5. Pilipenko (1.07) - 17
T-6. Pashin (1.05) - 17
T-6. Michkov (1.05) - 15 (lol)
8. Tyanulin (1.03) - 17
T-9. Kucherov (1.02) - 16
T-9. Ovchinnikov (1.02) - 17

This is the 12th season of the MHL, and only 9 players have ever had a PPG or better season in their draft year or earlier while playing over 10 games. Of those 9 guys here is what I'd consider them to be:

NHL star - Kucherov
Good NHL player - Gusev, Guryanov
Potential NHL player in some capacity - Golyshev
Probably nothing - Pilipenko, Tyanulin

Drafted this year: Pashin (CAR 7th), Ovchinnikov (TOR 5th)
Probable #1OA pick (2023) - Michkov

It'll be interesting to see if him (or Pashin) can be part of the 50% of guys that became at least good NHL'ers.
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Thats interesting stuff. He needs a bigger challenge, but with the VHL not an option, he will have to stay here for now.
He probably has the highest reward/risk in the prospect pool. If he hits though, you are looking at an explosive offensive player.
 
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daethfromabove1979 said:
Would love to see him get promoted to the VHL soon, he is tearing it up in the MHL. Beauty pass there.
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As has been mentioned previously, he has no clear path the the VHL. His team doesn't have a direct VHL affiliate, so it's MHL, or KHL for him... they do have a VHL relationship, but that team is 2000k, away for him....
 
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Kiwi said:
That's an ability that could not only get him in the starting line-up, it could also get him onto lines higher up the line-up as well

That's a complimentary skill a lot of our guys don't excel at
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That’s the type of work ethic and tenacity that I want to see!
Really looking forward to seeing how he turns out.
 
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Honest question...

If we had Dubas' drafts (2018, 2019 and 2020) during Hunter's drafts of (2015, 2016, 2017) I.E take our last 3 draft classes and add 3/4 years to their development...

How many of our non-first round picks would be in the NHL or knocking on the door?

I feel like Hunter's drafts hurt us for having young players that could step in for cheap when we needed.
 
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X66 said:
Honest question...

If we had Dubas' drafts (2018, 2019 and 2020) during Hunter's drafts of (2015, 2016, 2017) I.E take our last 3 draft classes and add 3/4 years to their development...

How many of our non-first round picks would be in the NHL or knocking on the door?

I feel like Hunter's drafts hurt us for having young players that could step in for cheap when we needed.
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Almost definitely more than what Hunter contributed. He gave the Leafs Dermott, Korshkov, and Grundstrom as his 3 best prospects outside of the first round over a 3 year stretch. I can't imagine anyone could have given us worse drafting to be honest. Dubas beats that with the 2019 draft alone
 
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X66 said:
Honest question...

If we had Dubas' drafts (2018, 2019 and 2020) during Hunter's drafts of (2015, 2016, 2017) I.E take our last 3 draft classes and add 3/4 years to their development...

How many of our non-first round picks would be in the NHL or knocking on the door?

I feel like Hunter's drafts hurt us for having young players that could step in for cheap when we needed.
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Probably a sizeable number. What we have to keep in mind was that in 2018 Dubas took over in May and Hunter left so Dubas' 2018 draft was a bit of a weird time for the org. I seem to remember a lot of the scouts leaving with Hunter before/right after the draft but I could be wrong. That being said the early returns on the 2019 and 2020 draft are outstanding. Robertson looks like a star in the making and other guys from 2019 like Abbruzzese, Abramov and Kokkonen look like possible NHLers. In 2020 Amirov and Ovchinnikov are showing great promise already and their is a lot of upside in the other picks. Leafs could have 6+ NHLers from the last 2 drafts. Hunter outside of the first round was a train wreck.
 
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X66 said:
Honest question...

If we had Dubas' drafts (2018, 2019 and 2020) during Hunter's drafts of (2015, 2016, 2017) I.E take our last 3 draft classes and add 3/4 years to their development...

How many of our non-first round picks would be in the NHL or knocking on the door?

I feel like Hunter's drafts hurt us for having young players that could step in for cheap when we needed.
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Hunter's drafts were pretty bad but you aren't really allowed to say that here or else you're a Dubas apologizer. There's no in-between, really.
 
LeafChief said:
Hunter's drafts were pretty bad but you aren't really allowed to say that here or else you're a Dubas apologizer. There's no in-between, really.
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Why? Honest posts are always welcomed and Hunter has nothing to do with Dubas anyway.
Looks like they have made some good selections in the past few drafts but let’s have them contribute to the team before the praise is heaped on too thick.
 
X66 said:
Honest question...

If we had Dubas' drafts (2018, 2019 and 2020) during Hunter's drafts of (2015, 2016, 2017) I.E take our last 3 draft classes and add 3/4 years to their development...

How many of our non-first round picks would be in the NHL or knocking on the door?

I feel like Hunter's drafts hurt us for having young players that could step in for cheap when we needed.
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Agreed. Dubas's drafts look a lot more promising then Hunter's. Hunter hit on the 1st rounders, but you could make the argument Dubas 1st rounder and 2 rounder in Sandin/Robertson look more promising then any of Hunter's 1st rounders aside from Mitch and he was a 4th overall pick. I say that as a massive fan of Liljegren.

CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Almost definitely more than what Hunter contributed. He gave the Leafs Dermott, Korshkov, and Grundstrom as his 3 best prospects outside of the first round over a 3 year stretch. I can't imagine anyone could have given us worse drafting to be honest. Dubas beats that with the 2019 draft alone
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Thats pretty awful. Korshkov and Grundstorm are 3rd liners, while Dermott is only a 3rd pairing d man until he proves otherwise and I'm confident he will, but it still paints a bad picture on Hunter.
Maplebeasts said:
Probably a sizeable number. What we have to keep in mind was that in 2018 Dubas took over in May and Hunter left so Dubas' 2018 draft was a bit of a weird time for the org. I seem to remember a lot of the scouts leaving with Hunter before/right after the draft but I could be wrong. That being said the early returns on the 2019 and 2020 draft are outstanding. Robertson looks like a star in the making and other guys from 2019 like Abbruzzese, Abramov and Kokkonen look like possible NHLers. In 2020 Amirov and Ovchinnikov are showing great promise already and their is a lot of upside in the other picks. Leafs could have 6+ NHLers from the last 2 drafts. Hunter outside of the first round was a train wreck.
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Both drafts were outstanding, and even 2018 we hit a home run on Sandin.
 
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Any word on our NCAA guys, what happening with them.

NCAA prospect list

2016 - JD Greenway
2017 - Ryan O'Connell
2019 - Nick Abbruzzese, Mike Koster
2020 - Veeti Miettinen, John Fusco, Wyatt Schingoethe

Also, where are Joe Miller & Ryan Tverberg playing this upcoming season?
 
Mitch nylander said:
Any word on our NCAA guys, what happening with them.

NCAA prospect list

2016 - JD Greenway
2017 - Ryan O'Connell
2019 - Nick Abbruzzese, Mike Koster
2020 - Veeti Miettinen, John Fusco, Wyatt Schingoethe

Also, where are Joe Miller & Ryan Tverberg playing this upcoming season?
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NCAA is not playing yet. Miller and Schingoethe are playing in the USHL, which just started. I don't think either have played a game yet though.

Tverberg is playing in the BCHL, which is going to start soon.
 
stickty111 said:
Agreed. Dubas's drafts look a lot more promising then Hunter's. Hunter hit on the 1st rounders, but you could make the argument Dubas 1st rounder and 2 rounder in Sandin/Robertson look more promising then any of Hunter's 1st rounders aside from Mitch and he was a 4th overall pick. I say that as a massive fan of Liljegren.


Thats pretty awful. Korshkov and Grundstorm are 3rd liners, while Dermott is only a 3rd pairing d man until he proves otherwise and I'm confident he will, but it still paints a bad picture on Hunter.

Both drafts were outstanding, and even 2018 we hit a home run on Sandin.
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I know hindsight is 20/20, but given what got leaked before and after those drafts, the results are depressing. Aho vs Dermott was an internal debate and Hunter chose Dermott. He took Korshkov 31st over Hart and DeBrincat because he heard that someone else wanted to take a double overager KHLer with mediocre stats and was worried he might miss out on such a slam-dunk pick.

I can't blame someone for not knowing to buy Apple stock 30 years ago. But if you later find out that they were debating between putting 10k in Apple vs in a no-name Russian company ran out of some guy's basement, I can absolutely blame you for not picking Apple.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
I know hindsight is 20/20, but given what got leaked before and after those drafts, the results are depressing. Aho vs Dermott was an internal debate and Hunter chose Dermott. He took Korshkov 31st over Hart and DeBrincat because he heard that someone else wanted to take a double overager KHLer with mediocre stats and was worried he might miss out on such a slam-dunk pick.

I can't blame someone for not knowing to buy Apple stock 30 years ago. But if you later find out that they were debating between putting 10k in Apple vs in a no-name Russian company ran out of some guy's basement, I can absolutely blame you for not picking Apple.
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Good analogy. I think the report was if they went D in the 1st round, they would go forward, but thinking about it now, thats a flawed approach. You shouldn't let your previous actions determine the next one.
 
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