Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - It's finally puckdrop, baby!

[Leafs1991]

It’s not just several weeks. He got injured after his first game back from that super long Covid offseason. The AHL may even be shut down by the time he gets back from this injury. This is bad

And look how Liljegren has turned out, and many other prospects who have been hurt over the years. Some turn out fine, some don't. All I'm saying is you're overreacting. You do you though

 

[Leaf Fans]

Liljegren has gotten better with the layoff. The Leafs managed his development well. Thankfully they didn't blunder and send him abroad!

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

I would try Edmonds next game. I do not think D'Agostini has looked all that great at any point and he doesn't have any kind of upside. Edmonds doesn't have much upside either IMO, but at least he is young so he is a more worthwhile project.

Geez...for someone playing their first three games in the league, I'd say he's been doing just fine. He's been better than Kaskisuo ever was.

 

[genk]

The Leafs have handled Lijlegrin's development perfectly. I think back to Luke Schenn who could have had an entirely different career if he took the same development path.

 

[MVPMatthews]

Brodie, Holl, Bogo, Lily. Seems that we finally can take a breath of relief about RHD. Seems we will be good for the next couple years atleast

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Liljegren has gotten better with the layoff. The Leafs managed his development well. Thankfully they didn't blunder and send him abroad!

Yes, let’s thank our lucky stars Liljegren managed to actually improve by training on his own in Sweden during an 11+ month layoff.

Now imagine if he had spent that time training and playing with a top level pro team. He might’ve even made the NHL out of camp.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yes, let’s thank our lucky stars Liljegren managed to actually improve by training on his own in Sweden during an 11+ month layoff.

Now imagine if he had spent that time training and playing with a top level pro team. He might’ve even made the NHL out of camp.

No, I thank the Leaf development team Liljegren himself, and Dubas.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

No, I thank the Leaf development team Liljegren himself, and Dubas.

That’s quite strange, as only Liljegren was actually in Sweden, but you do you.

 

[Fogelhund]

That’s quite strange, as only Liljegren was actually in Sweden, but you do you.

You do realize that these guys receive specific training programs, from the Leafs training staff right? aka Development team? They don't just go home, and do whatever it is they feel like.

 

[Leaf Fans]

That’s quite strange, as only Liljegren was actually in Sweden, but you do you.

Yup, I worked from home too. Amazing technology nowadays.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Muzzin-Holl
Dermott/Sandin-Brodie
Sandin/Dermott-Liljegren (one rotating out with a Bogo-type)

But I'll be surprised if Rielly isn't back. A little disappointed if he is, but I'd be surprised if he's not.

Yes I like the idea of next year's d being:
Muzzin. Lilly
Sandin. Holl
Lehtonen. Brodie

Honestly I totally understand how it makes sense to move on from Mo, as we have some shiny new toys that seem ready to make the jump. Reality of it is, Mo plays a ton for us right now, and is still a very good player/leader. I agree with most, his defensive game has just not been there this year. I actually do not mind him getting more active in the play. more often than not it works in our favor. Where I think he needs to massively improve is behind the goal line. He seems to be going back on pucks very hesitantly and its causing for more of a puck battle than what should be required. And then once he loses position, he tends to struggle along the boards to recover the puck. All that said, I just cannot see the Leafs moving on from our soon to be 27 year old #1 D-Man. Despite the promise shown in both Sandy and Lilly. Everything I have read on Mo is that he is extremely popular in the room, and a great teammate.

 

[Twine Tickler]

The Leafs have handled Lijlegrin's development perfectly. I think back to Luke Schenn who could have had an entirely different career if he took the same development path.

In fairness, Luke has actually had a relatively decent career all things considered. Almost 800 NHL games, Stanley Cup Champion. I think honestly he fulfilled his potential as an NHL'er. I think there was a higher emphasis on the Adam Foote type player back when Luke was drafted, But he came into the league right as that type of defender was becoming less impactful/useful. You need your top pairing D-Man to move the puck, they cant just eat rubber, clear the house and lay hits anymore. If an 18 year old Luke Schenn were to enter the 2021 draft, I am not even sure he would be selected in the first round. But to have almost 800 game under his belt is a testament to how far he has come as a player and he deserves a bunch of credit, because he was down and out at many points in his career

 

[LeafChief]

I was told Liljegren was a bust and that not loaning him to Sweden was going to ruin his career. What happened? Seems he's playing well. Must be a fluke.

 

[justashadowof]

Fuuuuuuuck

We seemingly find another gem outside of the top rounds, and he’s Joffery Lupul

Or he just needs to learn how to protect himself better in vulnerable situations on the ice. Anyone, any size, any skill, any age would get hurt going into the boards awkwardly like that.

 

[justashadowof]

Most of Liljegren's development has needed to happen in his head. Ability wise he was near the top of the draft table in his draft year. We knew or should have known it would just take time, more time even.

And it isn't games that make this happen IMO. It's repetition on the practise ice (which I assume he had a ton of during the layoff). Games just test what you've worked on and made second nature.

 

[heatersthebest]

Honestly I totally understand how it makes sense to move on from Mo, as we have some shiny new toys that seem ready to make the jump. Reality of it is, Mo plays a ton for us right now, and is still a very good player/leader. I agree with most, his defensive game has just not been there this year. I actually do not mind him getting more active in the play. more often than not it works in our favor. Where I think he needs to massively improve is behind the goal line. He seems to be going back on pucks very hesitantly and its causing for more of a puck battle than what should be required. And then once he loses position, he tends to struggle along the boards to recover the puck. All that said, I just cannot see the Leafs moving on from our soon to be 27 year old #1 D-Man. Despite the promise shown in both Sandy and Lilly. Everything I have read on Mo is that he is extremely popular in the room, and a great teammate.

I think it’s a bit of a strange idea too, I mean we want to trade a prime age defenceman that will be on the Canadian Olympic team the year before he will be named to that team because; a) we don’t want to pay him and b) we have young unproven defencemen.

I understand he isn’t the best defensively but we knew that a while ago. He is 5th in defenceman scoring this season, and the only player playing more minutes ahead of him in the top five is Hedman.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think it’s a bit of a strange idea too, I mean we want to trade a prime age defenceman that will be on the Canadian Olympic team the year before he will be named to that team because; a) we don’t want to pay him and b) we have young unproven defencemen.

I understand he isn’t the best defensively but we knew that a while ago. He is 5th in defenceman scoring this season, and the only player playing more minutes ahead of him in the top five is Hedman.

Mo has also played a lot more games, than most elite offensive guys... it's probably best to look at PPG at this point in the season... Even moreso, Primary Points per game.

Player	Season	Team	GP	Primary	P/GP	G/GP	A/GP	A1/GP	A2/GP
Jeff Petry	20202021	MTL	15	0.73	1	0.4	0.6	0.33	0.27
Victor Hedman	20202021	TBL	14	0.71	1.07	0.21	0.86	0.5	0.36
John Klingberg	20202021	DAL	12	0.67	1	0.17	0.83	0.5	0.33
Cale Makar	20202021	COL	11	0.64	1.09	0.09	1	0.55	0.45
Neal Pionk	20202021	WPG	16	0.63	0.82	0.13	0.69	0.5	0.19
Justin Schultz	20202021	WSH	11	0.63	0.73	0.18	0.55	0.45	0.09
Ty Smith	20202021	NJD	11	0.54	0.73	0.18	0.55	0.36	0.18
Quinn Hughes	20202021	VAN	20	0.5	1	0.1	0.9	0.4	0.5
Darnell Nurse	20202021	EDM	18	0.5	0.72	0.33	0.39	0.17	0.22
Keith Yandle	20202021	FLA	14	0.5	0.64	0.14	0.5	0.36	0.14
Rasmus Ristolainen	20202021	BUF	10	0.5	0.6	0.2	0.4	0.3	0.1
Drew Doughty	20202021	LAK	15	0.47	0.87	0.27	0.6	0.2	0.4
Shea Theodore	20202021	VGK	11	0.45	1	0.27	0.73	0.18	0.55
Jonas Brodin	20202021	MIN	11	0.45	0.54	0.18	0.36	0.27	0.09
Samuel Girard	20202021	COL	11	0.45	0.82	0.09	0.73	0.36	0.36
Dougie Hamilton	20202021	CAR	14	0.43	0.71	0.07	0.64	0.36	0.29
Aaron Ekblad	20202021	FLA	14	0.43	0.65	0.29	0.36	0.14	0.21
Erik Gustafsson	20202021	PHI	12	0.42	0.58	0	0.58	0.42	0.17
Thomas Chabot	20202021	OTT	17	0.42	0.53	0.18	0.35	0.24	0.12
John Carlson	20202021	WSH	15	0.4	0.8	0.27	0.53	0.13	0.4
Devon Toews	20202021	COL	10	0.4	0.5	0.3	0.2	0.1	0.1
Jakob Chychrun	20202021	ARI	16	0.38	0.69	0.19	0.5	0.19	0.31
Rasmus Andersson	20202021	CGY	16	0.38	0.57	0.13	0.44	0.25	0.19
Nick Leddy	20202021	NYI	16	0.37	0.56	0.06	0.5	0.31	0.19
Colton Parayko	20202021	STL	16	0.37	0.5	0.06	0.44	0.31	0.13
Mikhail Sergachev	20202021	TBL	14	0.36	0.79	0	0.79	0.36	0.43
Brett Pesce	20202021	CAR	14	0.36	0.57	0.07	0.5	0.29	0.21
Damon Severson	20202021	NJD	11	0.36	0.54	0.09	0.45	0.27	0.18
Tyler Myers	20202021	VAN	20	0.35	0.5	0.1	0.4	0.25	0.15
Ivan Provorov	20202021	PHI	14	0.35	0.5	0.14	0.36	0.21	0.14
Charlie McAvoy	20202021	BOS	15	0.34	0.8	0.07	0.73	0.27	0.47
Tyson Barrie	20202021	EDM	18	0.34	0.78	0.17	0.61	0.17	0.44
Morgan Rielly	20202021	TOR	18	0.33	0.78	0.11	0.67	0.22	0.44
Mark Giordano	20202021	CGY	16	0.32	0.51	0.13	0.38	0.19	0.19

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[Twine Tickler]

I think it’s a bit of a strange idea too, I mean we want to trade a prime age defenceman that will be on the Canadian Olympic team the year before he will be named to that team because; a) we don’t want to pay him and b) we have young unproven defencemen.

I understand he isn’t the best defensively but we knew that a while ago. He is 5th in defenceman scoring this season, and the only player playing more minutes ahead of him in the top five is Hedman.

Yup, to me it doesn't make a great deal of sense. I recognize why people don't want to pay a hefty price for MO, and neither do I. But we have absolutely no clue what his contract demands are yet. We do know that he volunteered himself off of PP1 to help get his teammate going last year. Ultimate leader/teammate move in my mind. Something I certainly am not keen to move on from. my D-core for next year would look like this

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Holl
Dermott - Liljegren

In this scenario, we'd have to ask Muzz to waive his NMC to have Seattle take him in the expansion. I am a fan of Muzz, and in an ideal world I would love to keep him. But I think his potential is capped at this point, and although still highly effective, he is entering the back 9 of his career. I've been really impressed with Dermott's overall game this year, and would be a shame to have developed him so well, just for another team to reap the benefit. Obviously this plan hinges on Muzz, but Seattle is a beautiful place to live, and a very good sports market. Given Vegas' success from a handful of seasons ago, I'm sure he wouldn't be completely opposed to the idea. NMC are not put in place to necessarily keep the player in their current market, it just gives them control where they play. This would be the avenue I'd explore vs. moving on from MO

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[SeaOfBlue]

That Angus Redmond signing is also an AHL deal, and they signed RD Dakota Krebs to an ATO for extra defensive depth while they are in Calgary.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

You do realize that these guys receive specific training programs, from the Leafs training staff right? aka Development team? They don't just go home, and do whatever it is they feel like.

Oh really? You don’t say.

Still doesn’t mean he wasn’t at a disadvantage compared to other guys who were loaned out, like Valimaki, Lundqvist, Brannstrom etc.

 

[LeafParade]

Yup, to me it doesn't make a great deal of sense. I recognize why people don't want to pay a hefty price for MO, and neither do I. But we have absolutely no clue what his contract demands are yet. We do know that he volunteered himself off of PP1 to help get his teammate going last year. Ultimate leader/teammate move in my mind. Something I certainly am not keen to move on from. my D-core for next year would look like this

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Holl
Dermott - Liljegren

In this scenario, we'd have to ask Muzz to waive his NMC to have Seattle take him in the expansion. I am a fan of Muzz, and in an ideal world I would love to keep him. But I think his potential is capped at this point, and although still highly effective, he is entering the back 9 of his career. I've been really impressed with Dermott's overall game this year, and would be a shame to have developed him so well, just for another team to reap the benefit. Obviously this plan hinges on Muzz, but Seattle is a beautiful place to live, and a very good sports market. Given Vegas' success from a handful of seasons ago, I'm sure he wouldn't be completely opposed to the idea. NMC are not put in place to necessarily keep the player in their current market, it just gives them control where they play. This would be the avenue I'd explore vs. moving on from MO

Muzzin and Brodie are both eligible for the expansion draft.
They aren't protected by the NMC, the Leafs were smart enough to make sure of it when they handed out those contracts.

So you can delete that last paragraph.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Muzzin and Brodie are both eligible for the expansion draft.
They aren't protected by the NMC, the Leafs were smart enough to make sure of it when they handed out those contracts.

So you can delete that last paragraph.

really? wow. That's awesome, I did not know that. Thanks!... well then in that case I stand by my original plan without the legwork of convincing Muzz to go. I shouldn't be this happy about knowing we could lose Muzz, because he has done everything and more since arriving in Toronto. But it really looks like the best option. I just figured all NMC had to be protected in expansion. Thanks for the info!

 

[LeafParade]

really? wow. That's awesome, I did not know that. Thanks!... well then in that case I stand by my original plan without the legwork of convincing Muzz to go. I shouldn't be this happy about knowing we could lose Muzz, because he has done everything and more since arriving in Toronto. But it really looks like the best option. I just figured all NMC had to be protected in expansion. Thanks for the info!

To be exact, both those contracts convert from NMC to NTC at the end of this season.
Capfriendly has the exact details year by year if you look at each player's individual page with the contract details.

 

[stickty111]