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That would be amazingggg
Not expecting it but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility
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Not expecting it but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility
acrobaticgoalie
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CantLoseWithMatthews
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I really want to like Fraser Minten, but his production for a d+1 player is middling at best, and his even strength production is honestly terrible for how high he went in the draft. He's a considerable bit behind Lisowsky. Yeah there are things he's good at besides points, but I'd consider trading him
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Florida, Tampa and the Rangers if Knies gets in on the last 3 regular season games. Not an easy way to ease into the league!
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Maybe he pulls a Verhaeghe? Honestly feels like he has a similar profile as a player too.
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He was on fire when his team mates were off to the WJCs and then got hurt and his usage changed when they came back. When Stank and one or two others are gone from Kamloops next year we will get a full season of his A game. I would consider trading him for the right value of course but this second half slump probably isn't an indicator or what we should expect going forward.
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Verhaeghe was a lot more productive. He produced better at ES and overall than Tyler Bertuzzi, and was actually fairly close to Bo Horvat in his D+1. They do seem fairly similar, but Verhaeghe is just better. And even for him, getting to this level was a long shot
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Keep in mind that Verhaghe didn't have anyone blocking him. Not that I've been watching the Blazers but Stankoven and Bankier (who is 20) are both listed as centers and might be getting more prime usage than Minten
correct, from what I've read on twitter Minten has been playing on the 3rd line as a result.
and as @nuck was mentioning, when those boys were off at the WJC, and Mints took on a larger role he was absolutely lighting up the dub. I think he had B2B hatty's at one point if I am not mistaken.
I will not pretend to have been a big fan of this selection when we originally made it, but I honestly think Mitnen has a high NHL projectability. Over a pt/game in a largely complementary role. Not to mention the fact that he was never really selected by us to become a guy who tore up scoring races. He was always thought highly of for his 2-way abilities and IQ.
I think Fraser has progressed well thus far, but maybe that's just me
I'll also add, that Pt totals in Jr. really mean sweet f*** all for the most part. Of course you want your guys to produce, but just because you have a guy producing astronomical pt totals, it really doesn't mean they are a sure thing at the next level. You look at the likes of Nic Petan, Adam Brooks, and even Dryden hunt for crying out loud. They all put up stupid numbers at some point in their Dub careers, whereas a guy like Jordan Martinook and even Jamie Benn for example had more modest numbers in the same league
I am really not worried at all about Minten TBH. IQ is hard to teach, and by all accounts he has plenty of that. He also plays a more adaptable game then any of our other top prospects other than Matthew Knies IMO. He may not be a home run, but he's tracking exactly how I expected. Maybe even a bit better if I am being honest
I am really not worried at all about Minten TBH. IQ is hard to teach, and by all accounts he has plenty of that. He also plays a more adaptable game then any of our other top prospects other than Matthew Knies IMO. He may not be a home run, but he's tracking exactly how I expected. Maybe even a bit better if I am being honest
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I think him and Lisowsky is closer than most give credit to (i think I had them like 15 spots from each other draft day), but id still have Minten firmly ahead. Lisowsky plays the 1L minutes where as Minten plays the 2L defensive minutes with Bankier and Stankoevn hogging offensive time. I'm a touch worried about the ES production too, but he's bounced back to a more normal pace after an insanely slow start ES. The thing I'm mainly worried about is that based on Mitch Brown's tracking Minten at evens has gone from a relatively average playmaker to completely hopeless. His shooting numbers are good, and his defense is fine, but the passing.... yeesh.
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I saw him in Calgary on Sunday. He didn't impress me very much. On the positive his game looked responsible and smart, he has some solid hands and skating, and a bit of fire in him. But I didn't see anything to make me think he has more than 3rd line potential if I'm being honest. He looked more like a passenger than a driver. Also plays on PP2 and I believe PK2.
You know it was one game and that's just what I saw. But if we can get a 35+ point defensively responsible PKing third line C out of him that's a deal.
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It's true that Minten isn't getting a very good opportunity to dominate offensively, but it's not like he'd get a primary offensive role with the Leafs. There were legitimate concerns about his offensive upside after his draft season, and he's not really beating those allegations. If he can't score at ES and can't make plays, what will he be able to do offensively at the NHL level? He certainly has a great shot when he has time and space on the powerplay, but that's not nearly enough. Lisowsky seems a lot more dynamic to me, although is more of a longshot to make the NHL.
It's too late to change the selection, but I think he still has good value as a relatively high pick with some size and a safe floor. Someone with his size, IQ, and work ethic should be able to dominate junior competition and he just isn't
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But i think you've kinda touched on your main concern about him not dominating and it's because he's not being put in a role to. They're using him as the match-up C.
It would be nice to see him dominating offensively, but he's a guy who appears to have serious value outside of production. I just don't see a reason to sour on him yet, BUT I'd also be the first one to touch on his D0/D1 if he ended up outright busting or something similar. There are flaws, but he's still 18. He's not having a Knies or Robby D1, but very few [even successful] 2nd rounders show close to what they did.
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I don't really understood the Minten pick - doesn't really seem like a Dubas selection. Would've liked one of Goyette or Hutson, and would've expected Dubas of all people to bite to bite on Hutson given his tools...
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We'll have a better gauge on Minten's potential next year when he's put into that top spot role for the whole season.
I like Minten in the way I like a lot of Leafs prospects. Smart and projects well as a complimentary guy who has some offensive upside.
Like, I could easily see him developing into the type who could do the heavy defensive lifting and retrieval roll on a line with a premium offensive winger.
Like, I could easily see him developing into the type who could do the heavy defensive lifting and retrieval roll on a line with a premium offensive winger.
anyone watching Holmberg with the Marlies care to give an update, thanks.
Just want to see how he is doing after being sent down.
Just want to see how he is doing after being sent down.
Verheaghe and Minten aren’t very similar players IMO. Verheaghe was a little bit better offensively even in junior.
I think Minten a little better defensively. Verheaghe was a good prospect he just got included in quite a few deals early in his career.
I think Minten will be a solid NHL’er, 3rd/4th line guy. He has the size and skill to make it. I think Minten will be who were were hopin Fred Gauthier would be
First time I’ve heard him compared to Freddy the Goat. Minten is a lot smaller than Gauthier but can handle and shoot the puck much better.
Yup. His his memorial cup, WJC and D+2 production will be the most telling on his potential.
How many stylistically comparable centres to Minten explode production wise in junior? Aside from the standout skating, Minten looks comparable to McCann, who was definitely a more productive junior player in his D+1 (1.2 vs. 1.7PPG), but had a comparable D+0 and was a 1st round pick. You're probably looking at a watered down version.
Lower-end projections in Cizikas, Laughton, etc. all hovered around 1PPG. Jenner/Stephenson/Backlund are similar, but some had big jumps in their D+2s
I don't think Minten should be held to the same standard as a Voit, SDA, Lisowsky, etc. because the latter names need to absolutely shred these lower leagues to overcompensate for the lack of transferrable skillset beyond their offense. If Minten stagnates around 1PPG next year, then there's reason to worry.
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They certainly do.
From what i've seen Mintens success at the NHL level will be the result of his complete game. His offensive game isn't weak(had a hattie in one of the games i saw against the Rockets) just not lift you out of your seat with crazy skill. With a little luck we could have a Danault level player. Maybe not the sexiest estimate but excellent value at #38.
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