Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

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Yeah the Pastujov omission is a lot bigger than Voit. Pastujov just played in the WJC that happened this summer. But tbh theres headscratcher picks for most teams every year. Clarke didnt even get invited for the last one. Pronman hearing that Savoie might not even get an invite this year.
 
Oof no prospects in the wjc, kind of a whatever for me this year I guess.

I think we'd all agree that success at WJC doesn't = future superstar

HOWEVER not having a single prospect at the WJC, is that a black eye for our prospect pool?

I know we'd all argue there is zero reason for Voit not to be considered and Minten may have garnered more attention if he held a different passport.

I just think you generally want to see your guys making best on best teams in their (relative) age group.
 
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I think we'd all agree that success at WJC doesn't = future superstar

HOWEVER not having a single prospect at the WJC, is that a black eye for our prospect pool?

I know we'd all argue there is zero reason for Voit not to be considered and Minten may have garnered more attention if he held a different passport.

I just think you generally want to see your guys making best on best teams in their (relative) age group.

Most of our top prospects are slightly too old for it. I wouldn't think too much of it.

Voit was a big time omission though and should be there over a good chunk of players that made it. He's made for that kind of tournament too.

It sucks as a Leafs fan but long-term wise, it doesn't mean much.
 
I think we'd all agree that success at WJC doesn't = future superstar

HOWEVER not having a single prospect at the WJC, is that a black eye for our prospect pool?

I know we'd all argue there is zero reason for Voit not to be considered and Minten may have garnered more attention if he held a different passport.

I just think you generally want to see your guys making best on best teams in their (relative) age group.
When our guy is leading a league filled with those players in points, and as others mentioned most of our guys have aged out, I think it's fine.
 
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I think we'd all agree that success at WJC doesn't = future superstar

HOWEVER not having a single prospect at the WJC, is that a black eye for our prospect pool?

I know we'd all argue there is zero reason for Voit not to be considered and Minten may have garnered more attention if he held a different passport.

I just think you generally want to see your guys making best on best teams in their (relative) age group.

Absolutely we do... but our draft two years ago, we had three picks. Knies is too old now, leaving only Voit as the guy who could make it from the 2021 draft year.

Voit was a big omission IMO..

Minten is too young, unless he was a superstar level guy to get selected, as is Moldenhauer.



It's just one of those... we don't really have anyone at the right age to be going... except Voit.
 
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Absolutely we do... but our draft two years ago, we had three picks. Knies is too old now, leaving only Voit as the guy who could make it from the 2021 draft year.

Voit was a big omission IMO..

Minten is too young, unless he was a superstar level guy to get selected, as is Moldenhauer.

Outside of Voit, the only guy who might have had a chance, was Hildeby... and he won't get selected.

It's just one of those... we don't really have anyone at the right age to be going... except Voit.
How did Hildeby have a chance? He's 21
 
remember the year we had 5 on team canada plus alex steen on sweden? how did that work out for us?
 
I think we'd all agree that success at WJC doesn't = future superstar

HOWEVER not having a single prospect at the WJC, is that a black eye for our prospect pool?

I know we'd all argue there is zero reason for Voit not to be considered and Minten may have garnered more attention if he held a different passport.

I just think you generally want to see your guys making best on best teams in their (relative) age group.

As a snapshot for the quality of prospects specifically in the U20 age range that are eligible for the WJC, it's not good, no. We can argue that Voit deserves to be there - whatever, at the end of the day, he was clearly not an absolute lock, and in general we're lacking legitimate quality prospects in that age range. In saying that, I don't necessarily think it's poor scouting, but more a reflection of limited draft picks (and to a lesser extent, no Russian team at the WJC).

We've only had 8 picks in the past two drafts, including no 1st rounders. Of those 8 picks, two are Russians (not eligible), Knies was at the WJC this past summer but is now too old, and Hildeby is also too old. So really, the only players in our prospect pool who were even eligible (I think) were Voit (5th rounder 2021, who likely almost made the team), Lisowsky (7th rounder 2022), Moldenhauer (3rd rounder 2022), and Minten (2nd rounder 2022, also likely a borderline player).
 
As a snapshot for the quality of prospects specifically in the U20 age range that are eligible for the WJC, it's not good, no. We can argue that Voit deserves to be there - whatever, at the end of the day, he was clearly not an absolute lock, and in general we're lacking legitimate quality prospects in that age range. In saying that, I don't necessarily think it's poor scouting, but more a reflection of limited draft picks (and to a lesser extent, no Russian team at the WJC).

We've only had 8 picks in the past two drafts, including no 1st rounders. Of those 8 picks, two are Russians (not eligible), Knies was at the WJC this past summer but is now too old, and Hildeby is also too old. So really, the only players in our prospect pool who were even eligible (I think) were Voit (5th rounder 2021, who likely almost made the team), Lisowsky (7th rounder 2022), Moldenhauer (3rd rounder 2022), and Minten (2nd rounder 2022, also likely a borderline player).

Kressler was also available, but I think he is hurt again and even though he has been one of the best guys in the OHL this year, it wasn't going to happen.

No matter, I am looking forward to him finding some health and playing on the Marlies next year.
 
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As a snapshot for the quality of prospects specifically in the U20 age range that are eligible for the WJC, it's not good, no. We can argue that Voit deserves to be there - whatever, at the end of the day, he was clearly not an absolute lock, and in general we're lacking legitimate quality prospects in that age range. In saying that, I don't necessarily think it's poor scouting, but more a reflection of limited draft picks (and to a lesser extent, no Russian team at the WJC).

We've only had 8 picks in the past two drafts, including no 1st rounders. Of those 8 picks, two are Russians (not eligible), Knies was at the WJC this past summer but is now too old, and Hildeby is also too old. So really, the only players in our prospect pool who were even eligible (I think) were Voit (5th rounder 2021, who likely almost made the team), Lisowsky (7th rounder 2022), Moldenhauer (3rd rounder 2022), and Minten (2nd rounder 2022, also likely a borderline player).

This and what shouldn't be lost is the number of draft picks from drafts from 2018-2020 are starting to show show at the pro level:

- Sandin and Durzi as NHL regulars from 2018
- Holmberg, Kral, Hollowell, and now SDA getting their NHL cup of coffee
- Roberston from 2019 trying to earn his NHL minutes
- Kokkonen, Abramov, and Abrusseze progressing in the AHL now
- Hirvonen, Niemela, Ovchinnikov doing well in pro leagues overseas
- Villeneuve in the AHL developing nicely
- Tverberg having a great college career so far

Not all will make it to the NHL, let along be regulars, or impact players but there is a ton of promising depth from the 2018 to 2020 drafts.
 
This and what shouldn't be lost is the number of draft picks from drafts from 2018-2020 are starting to show show at the pro level:

- Sandin and Durzi as NHL regulars from 2018
- Holmberg, Kral, Hollowell, and now SDA getting their NHL cup of coffee
- Roberston from 2019 trying to earn his NHL minutes
- Kokkonen, Abramov, and Abrusseze progressing in the AHL now
- Hirvonen, Niemela, Ovchinnikov doing well in pro leagues overseas
- Villeneuve in the AHL developing nicely
- Tverberg having a great college career so far

Not all will make it to the NHL, let along be regulars, or impact players but there is a ton of promising depth from the 2018 to 2020 drafts.

Not that the current management is to blame, as they haven't been in charge long enough. But just looking at this Dallas roster for example... I'd argue Dallas as far as non-top 10 picks go that they internally drafted/developed, they have five guys on their current roster who are better than anyone else the Leafs have drafted/developed internally over the last 15 years, maybe the past 20 years (excluding top 10 picks). This doesn't even consider other players they've drafted/developed in that time span who are no longer on their team (e.g. Klingberg, Neal, Niskanen, etc).

Their current five guys I was referencing above are Hintz, Robertson, Lindell, Oettinger, and Benn. Our best non-top 10 picks that we drafted/developed in the last ~15-20 years are guys like Reimer, Brown, Gunnarsson, Dermott, Johnsson, Kulemin, Komarov, Stalberg, etc - none of whom are as good as the worst guy from Dallas' current crop of 5 that I mentioned.

So Sandin, Holmberg, Hollowell, Hirvonen, Niemela, etc are all certainly nice to have, but we have gone a LONG time without internally drafting/developing what would be considered a league-wide quality player. I'm really hoping somebody from this crop can make that type of jump, as it would make a MASSIVE difference to our team to get a legitimate core player with a later pick like that.
 
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According to Seravelli, Oilers interested in adding a physical element with Kane injured.

Leafs would let Simmonds go for practically anything as to get him active and playing again.
Didn't Simmonds say he would retire if not playing for leafs?... I feel like Edmonton isn't a place that could convince him otherwise.
 
Didn't Simmonds say he would retire if not playing for leafs?... I feel like Edmonton isn't a place that could convince him otherwise.

I assume the Leafs are working on trying to find a deal because both parties agree to it. Simmonds has a NTC IIRC too so some destinations would be blocked.

Simmonds must still want to play regularly in the NHL.
 
I would ask what the couple posters who hated this pick in the summer think now, but they'd probably just move the goal posts somehow to downplay him.

I'm sure I didn't like it, our track record of drafting from Russia has been awful. This guy looks promising though, amazing that he's actually getting a lot of ice time, close to 20 minutes a game in the KHL as a 19 year old is rare.
 
I would ask what the couple posters who hated this pick in the summer think now, but they'd probably just move the goal posts somehow to downplay him.
I didn’t comment on the pick. It’s a 5th round pick, so always a long shot. But with his current team, he’s over .5 PPG. That’s fairly elite company for a 19 year old in the KHL.

 
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I didn’t comment on the pick. It’s a 5th round pick, so always a long shot. But with his current team, he’s over .5 PPG. That’s fairly elite company for a 19 year old in the KHL.




While it is good that we finally have a Russian good enough to play in the KHL by 19, even if it is on Amur, it is more just a first step to prove you are not a completely useless prospect than proving you are an elite one. If he has a strong year, he should attract the attention of better clubs who go up against higher quality competition on a regular basis.

He does well with them, then he starts entering conversations as a legit prospect. Either that or he does better than 0.5 PPG and is noticeable in the KHL playoffs.

He has done well enough where he would enter in the mix of a half dozen 19/20 year old KHLers who should receive late round interest this year (Yarovoy, Moroz, Suvorov, Vinogradov, Fedotov, etc.)
 
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