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Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

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Winnipeg is also a really deep team.

Geekie doesnt get much PP time.

Minten has 13 PPP, savoie has 9 and geekie has 5.
 
I like the Moldenhauer pick, but there's a weird recent trend of high-end prospects going 1 pick after a Leaf selection.

Aho after Dermott, Swayman after Scott, and potentially Dumais after Moldenhauer (still way too early).
 
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Knies iT said:
I like the Moldenhauer pick, but there's a weird recent trend of high-end prospects going 1 pick after a Leaf selection.

Aho after Dermott, Swayman after Scott, and potentially Dumais after Moldenhauer (still way too early).
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Dumais’ career is going to be interesting to watch. His production has been excellent yet he got selected in the 3rd round. If his skillset translates to the nhl, then he would be a case study on scouting and cognitive bias.

Another thing to watch out for is when toronto trades their picks. Ovchinnikov was traded for puutio and levi while tverberg was traded for tye gallagher who did well last year. Don’t forget dermott/dzerkials/bracco for that philly guy.
 
Knies iT said:
I like the Moldenhauer pick, but there's a weird recent trend of high-end prospects going 1 pick after a Leaf selection.

Aho after Dermott, Swayman after Scott, and potentially Dumais after Moldenhauer (still way too early).
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I would be wary about QMJHL production right now. Goaltending quality hasn't been amazing there for a while.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I would be wary about QMJHL production right now. Goaltending quality hasn't been amazing there for a while.
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He is/was a mid-1st round level prospect and he's showing it. Small, good not great skating, and bad league equals a guy that went way too late with his elite qualities (determinaton, IQ, passing) getting ignored. Its basically Stankoven and Zellweger (except I had 10-15 grades on them vs 20-32 on Dumais) again where a small guy with ridiculous production get ignored despite having translatable skills. Gaucher, who went like 30 spots too early, has basically half his production.

I was a fan of the Minten pick, but i'd easily have taken Dumais over him, let alone Moldenhauer zzz
 
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I would be wary about QMJHL production right now. Goaltending quality hasn't been amazing there for a while.
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Eh I mean he is absolutely lapping the entire league including what people deem to be legit prospects. While the Q might be 3rd in overall quality in the CHL it isn't as big of a gap as most people seem to think it is. Realistically the Q and the WHL are essentially on an even playing field with the OHL being where the gap is between the other two.
 
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He is/was a mid-1st round level prospect and he's showing it. Small, good not great skating, and bad league equals a guy that went way too late with his elite qualities (determinaton, IQ, passing) getting ignored. Its basically Stankoven and Zellweger (except I had 10-15 grades on them vs 20-32 on Dumais) again where a small guy with ridiculous production get ignored despite having translatable skills. Gaucher, who went like 30 spots too early, has basically half his production.

I was a fan of the Minten pick, but i'd easily have taken Dumais over him, let alone Moldenhauer zzz
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Stankolven played 6 WHL games his draft year and zellweger played 11. I wouldn't call 10 points in 6 games and 13 in 11 ridiculous production.

You see a lot of dudes best up the Q but then amount to nothing. Way to early to tell if dumais would have been a way better pick...
 
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Stankolven played 6 WHL games his draft year and zellweger played 11. I wouldn't call 10 points in 6 games and 13 in 11 ridiculous production.

You see a lot of dudes best up the Q but then amount to nothing. Way to early to tell if dumais would have been a way better pick...
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Stankovens D-1 was fantastic and was the clear best player on his team the 6 games he played with a 1st round pick (Zary) right there. Not to mention having an awesome showing at the U18s. He's an elite skater, with ++ IQ. Him having the success he did this past season was no surprise at all. Should have been a top-15 pick, and probably would have with a full non-covid/injured season despite NHL teams hating players his size.

As for Zellweger, he went from barely playing his d-1 to being the clear best player on his team, and the production (13 in 11) is ridiculous for a defenseman in their draft year. Sure, youd like to see more elite play before drafting him as early as I would have (top-15), but his trajectory was massive, epecially when you see his level of skating, IQ, and ability to defend despite his size.

Dumais on the other hand has elite traits (determination, IQ), and was the clear best player with two very very good Q players on his line last year... but there's risk in his profile that I didn't see with Stankoven and Zellweger. He should have been a late 1st and grabbing him in the 3rd was the same level of steal as Niemela was (had him in the 1st as well).

As for Minten/Moldenhauer. I like both of them, Minten a lot more. Dumais I had a whole tier above Minten and that's because his brain is on a different level. Hes been good this season, and I was happy with the pick. No complaints. I had him three(?) tiers above Moldenhauer because despite Moldenhauers IQ, he was basically SDA 2.0 in his refusal to shoot the puck (despite having a good shot) without being a C. He's improved this year more than Minten has, but he's also playing in a league he has to be a top-5 player to stay relevant at his age. He's shooting ~3x more this year though which is nice.
 
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Eh I mean he is absolutely lapping the entire league including what people deem to be legit prospects. While the Q might be 3rd in overall quality in the CHL it isn't as big of a gap as most people seem to think it is. Realistically the Q and the WHL are essentially on an even playing field with the OHL being where the gap is between the other two.
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Huge agree. The Q is clearly the weakest, but lapping the league is no easy feat. People said the same shit about Garland, and Dumais is twice the prospect at this point.
 
Love that this thread has become about Dumais because someone looked through hockeydb and couldn't be happy with our own 3rd rounder doing well, instead has to be disappointed we didn't take another guy doing much better than a lot of teams seemed to have anticipated.
 
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Love that this thread has become about Dumais because someone looked through hockeydb and couldn't be happy with our own 3rd rounder doing well, instead has to be disappointed we didn't take another guy doing much better than a lot of teams seemed to have anticipated.
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From Halifax area here....watch a ton of Dumais. Really wanted us to draft him but I am also excited about the start Moldenhauer has had this season.
 
Leafs/Marlies have a full defense core worth of defensemen injured right now.

Moore is not a great defensive coach, but his entire defense is pretty much ECHL caliber right now. Rifai and Villeneuve have played well. Kokkonen can play better than he has. Hoefenmayer at least brings offense to the table but he is a bit of a liability in his own end. Rindell is the same but without the offensive contribution.

On the other hand, it is a good opportunity to see who is worth keeping as AHL contract depth past this year. Safe to say that Rifai is well within that category, if not even approaching ELC territory at some point if he can bring more offense. Hoefenmayer is the same but he is poor defensively. If you could combine those two, you'd have a great prospect on your hands.

Maybe we will get to see a Gogolev for Millman (PHI) or Skinner (NYR) swap at some point. All three need a change of scenery. All three have 2 years left on their ELC's. Gogolev is a year older than the other two.

I remember watching both Millman and Skinner in juniors. Millman may be a guy we can turn into something, because he has strong two-way tools with great skating ability and overall intelligence. I wouldn't hate giving him an extended run with the Marlies over a Hellickson or Pietroniro as a LHD. Skinner is a more physical RHD, which is more in the vein of what fans would want and would be a nice asset to have, but he has been super raw since he was drafted into the OHL and he has just not really been able to refine his game all that much since then. Would not be the first raw guy (or even RHD) we turn into something though.
 
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Marlies win 4-1
Woll 20 saves on 21 shots in his debut.
Hoffenmeyer 2 assists
Abruzzese goal
Steeves goal
Abramov assist
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Good game for the Marlies defensively or Woll play good? 21 shots against suggest they atleast played well in front of him.
 
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They really don't want to play Hildeby even though he's been better than Tomkins whose been great today but been average overall.
 
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Okay I'm done with Moore now. Goaltending was carrying him earlier, and covering up the same systematic issues. Time to make a change
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Not going to happen until he gets a proper defense again.

Rifai - Miller
Pietroniro - Villeneuve
Hoefenmayer - Rindell

Rifai, Hoefenmayer, and Villeneuve are the only ones who should be in the AHL right now, and they shouldn't really be top 4 guys on a good defense either.
 
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