Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

[justashadowof]

BTW Novosibirsk is a city of 1.5 million with a virtually identical climate to Winnipeg's.

 

[namttebih]

Christopher Gibson

I was actually thinking about Gibson - even though he's a Finn. Totally forgot about Owuya.

 

[AuraSphere]

Joey Anderson with 5pts in his last 5 games with Chicago. I always thought he looked good and deserved a real chance - he never really got one. Oh well

 

[WTFMAN99]

Joey Anderson with 5pts in his last 5 games with Chicago. I always thought he looked good and deserved a real chance - he never really got one. Oh well

He got chances, just didn't work here.

Timmins looks good with us.

I remember there was a small melt down with Barabanov producing in San Jose too.

 

[AuraSphere]

He got chances, just didn't work here.

Timmins looks good with us.

I remember there was a small melt down with Barabanov producing in San Jose too.

What does Timmins have to do with Anderson?

And I thought Anderson looked fairly good in his limited minutes and role as a Leaf, but I guess others disagreed. I'd loved to have kept him over ZAR

 

[aingefan]

My thoughts have changed on this.

Why not overbake prospects when UFAs like Acciari sign for $1.25.
I would rather be smart shoppers on the UFA free agent market then promote a Steeves type.

I think the flat cap flooded the market with players on this price bracket, preventing a lot of opportunity.

I like Steeves myself.

 

[WTFMAN99]

What does Timmins have to do with Anderson?

And I thought Anderson looked fairly good in his limited minutes and role as a Leaf, but I guess others disagreed. I'd loved to have kept him over ZAR

Some guys do better with a change of scenery, or two in the case of Anderson.

Timmins looked better once joining us.

Barabanov didn't work here but seems to have caught on in San Jose.

Joey Anderson seemed very vanilla and didn't do much in Toronto...interchangeable but maybe something is there in Chicago for him. They're my 2nd favorite team but I haven't caught any games in a while now and it doesn't seem like a product worth watching currently.

 

[aingefan]

He got chances, just didn't work here.

Timmins looks good with us.

I remember there was a small melt down with Barabanov producing in San Jose too.

Barabanov coulda been a nice fit, but came the year of the abbreviated camp and couldn’t elbow his way in.

 

[horner]

Not a fan at all, but if they are playing Niemala and Tverberg, I can live with it.

Where I start hating 11-7 is when Kerfoot and Holl are always in the lineup. Put them in the Marlies lineup and I'm better with it as well....maybe.....

So this is dubas experimenting again.
Leafs and marlies.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

What shit Marlies game today. They couldn't make two passes and *Woll wasn't at his best.

They have a few key injuries, but what a poor showing today.

 

[francis246]

My thoughts have changed on this.

Why not overbake prospects when UFAs like Acciari sign for $1.25.
I would rather be smart shoppers on the UFA free agent market then promote a Steeves type.

More so talking about replacing guys like Simmonds, Ashton-Reese for example. I’d love to keep Accari for cheap. But the reality is at some point you have to graduate guys and retool. Otherwise you lose them to waivers, some of our AHL guys may not be waiver exempt next season. So that will play a role in who makes the roster.

 

[WTFMAN99]

More so talking about replacing guys like Simmonds, Ashton-Reese for example. I’d love to keep Accari for cheap. But the reality is at some point you have to graduate guys and retool. Otherwise you lose them to waivers, some of our AHL guys may not be waiver exempt next season. So that will play a role in who makes the roster.

I think with Woll's waiver situation and team friendly contract, it's gonna make sense to graduate him to back up and move on from a goalie at the NHL level, likely Murray.

That being said, if goaltending were to suck in round 1, they could go extreme and do something like chase Saros...

1st
Robertson
Rights to Samsonov / Murray

 

[francis246]

I think with Woll's waiver situation and team friendly contract, it's gonna make sense to graduate him to back up and move on from a goalie at the NHL level, likely Murray.

That being said, if goaltending were to suck in round 1, they could go extreme and do something like chase Saros...

1st
Robertson
Rights to Samsonov / Murray

I think they will try and keep as many UFA’s as they can but there’s no questioning this roster will be a younger roster next year. I think a lot will also depend on how Knies looks, but I’m not opposed to him going down to the Marlies to start next year.

As for Woll, I think you find a way to trade that Murray contract at all costs and promote Woll, might cost you a guy like Holmberg or Steeves.

You have to think Robertson, Woll and one of Steeves, Knies or Holmberg will be full time NHLers next year.

 

[stickty111]

Marlies have clinched a playoff spot

 

[Northernguy10]

I haven't seen much re: the first round pick we have in the upcoming draft... Assuming we keep the pick and assuming the draft is as strong as projected what can we expect from a 28th-32nd pick?... I read somewhere, can't remember where, that a late first rounder this year is equivalent to a mid first rounder in an average draft. For those that follow things more closely any ideas who might be an available and good pick for us?

 

[ULF_55]

BTW Novosibirsk is a city of 1.5 million with a virtually identical climate to Winnipeg's.

Maybe they can have exchange mosquitos?

 

[aingefan]

More so talking about replacing guys like Simmonds, Ashton-Reese for example. I’d love to keep Accari for cheap. But the reality is at some point you have to graduate guys and retool. Otherwise you lose them to waivers, some of our AHL guys may not be waiver exempt next season. So that will play a role in who makes the roster.

Iirc, waiver eligible guys under control are Woll, McMann, Clifford and most of the rfa gang: SDA, Kral, Mete, Hollowell.

Marlies have clinched a playoff spot

Kinda crazy it happened so early.
It’s not the most talented Marlies team, and the coach came into the year with big question marks….but full credit where credit is due.

 

[LaPlante94]

Didn't know Minten had this in him tbh



Here's the Miettinen we all fell in love with.

 

[notdoneyet]

I think guys like andersen steeves mcmann etc do well in the AHL because they are getting good minutes of ice time and play on special teams etc.

When they get called up it’s usually for the fourth line with 7/8 minutes a night and that’s not enough ice time for them to succeed.

Some of those guys are better than what they can show in limited ice time. The problem is they aren’t better than the players above them.

 

[stickty111]

Miettinen goal and 2 assists in NCHC semi final. They advance to the final.
Miller assist in the ECAC semi final as they also advance to the final.

 

[andora]

I think guys like andersen steeves mcmann etc do well in the AHL because they are getting good minutes of ice time and play on special teams etc.

When they get called up it’s usually for the fourth line with 7/8 minutes a night and that’s not enough ice time for them to succeed.

Some of those guys are better than what they can show in limited ice time. The problem is they aren’t better than the players above them.

This is kinda the problem.. depending on how you look at it.

There could be long term good players but they cannot receive the opportunity in similar roles once up with the big club

If a team is good enough to withstand young guys getting extended looks (which i think this team is) in similar roles to where they are succeeding in the ahl it could be beneficial to that graduation and internal process.

I mean, this top line carries bunting and the body of kerfoot and still does well.. i see no reason why a 2nd line cant carry steeves or mcmann for a longer look..

 

[VanW27]

This is kinda the problem.. depending on how you look at it.

There could be long term good players but they cannot receive the opportunity in similar roles once up with the big club

If a team is good enough to withstand young guys getting extended looks (which i think this team is) in similar roles to where they are succeeding in the ahl it could be beneficial to that graduation and internal process.

I mean, this top line carries bunting and the body of kerfoot and still does well.. i see no reason why a 2nd line cant carry steeves or mcmann for a longer look..

I get why people see McMann and think this guy needs an offensive opportunity - 21 Goals in 30 games this year after 24 in 61 last year.

But there's some real big caveats to that production:
- He's 26, soon to be 27
- No track record of offensive production
- Only 19 assists over the last 2 seasons to go with those 45 goals

To me this is a guy who's scoring at the AHL level because of his physical tools (size/skating) while being at his physical peak at 26. Not enough talent there to create and play with offensive players. He's competing with ZAR for a spot in the lineup as a 4th line energy guy. Even comparing him to ZAR, who's only 2 years older - he's a guy known for being a black hole offensively but his college production blows McMann out of the water (while also being younger) and you cant really compare their AHL production as ZAR graduated to a full time NHLer at the same age McMann started his pro career. The one same age AHL season they have is 18/19 for ZAR 6G, 9pts in 11GP before graduating to the NHL; 20/21 for McMann 2G, 4pts in 21GP, the rest in the ECHL)

I dont want to be too negative about McMann, he's made huge strides and maybe the offense will translate for him better than I think but projecting anything more than a 4th line energy guy who can chip in 10-12 goals a year seems overly optimistic.

 

[andora]

I get why people see McMann and think this guy needs an offensive opportunity - 21 Goals in 30 games this year after 24 in 61 last year.

But there's some real big caveats to that production:
- He's 26, soon to be 27
- No track record of offensive production
- Only 19 assists over the last 2 seasons to go with those 45 goals

To me this is a guy who's scoring at the AHL level because of his physical tools (size/skating) while being at his physical peak at 26. Not enough talent there to create and play with offensive players. He's competing with ZAR for a spot in the lineup as a 4th line energy guy. Even comparing him to ZAR, who's only 2 years older - he's a guy known for being a black hole offensively but his college production blows McMann out of the water (while also being younger) and you cant really compare their AHL production as ZAR graduated to a full time NHLer at the same age McMann started his pro career. The one same age AHL season they have is 18/19 for ZAR 6G, 9pts in 11GP before graduating to the NHL; 20/21 for McMann 2G, 4pts in 21GP, the rest in the ECHL)

I dont want to be too negative about McMann, he's made huge strides and maybe the offense will translate for him better than I think but projecting anything more than a 4th line energy guy who can chip in 10-12 goals a year seems overly optimistic.

Or you see if you have a bunting replacement... before it is needed. All i am saying

 

[notdoneyet]

Most of the guys who come up from the marlies get no minutes on the fourth line. Keefe may slot them higher for a shift or two but that is his weakness.
He wont let these guys get a chance to show they can bring the same as a kerfoot at half the cost

 

[notbias]

I get why people see McMann and think this guy needs an offensive opportunity - 21 Goals in 30 games this year after 24 in 61 last year.

But there's some real big caveats to that production:
- He's 26, soon to be 27
- No track record of offensive production
- Only 19 assists over the last 2 seasons to go with those 45 goals

To me this is a guy who's scoring at the AHL level because of his physical tools (size/skating) while being at his physical peak at 26. Not enough talent there to create and play with offensive players. He's competing with ZAR for a spot in the lineup as a 4th line energy guy. Even comparing him to ZAR, who's only 2 years older - he's a guy known for being a black hole offensively but his college production blows McMann out of the water (while also being younger) and you cant really compare their AHL production as ZAR graduated to a full time NHLer at the same age McMann started his pro career. The one same age AHL season they have is 18/19 for ZAR 6G, 9pts in 11GP before graduating to the NHL; 20/21 for McMann 2G, 4pts in 21GP, the rest in the ECHL)

I dont want to be too negative about McMann, he's made huge strides and maybe the offense will translate for him better than I think but projecting anything more than a 4th line energy guy who can chip in 10-12 goals a year seems overly optimistic.

The only thing I'll say is he has shown flashes of being skilled in his time with the Leafs and looked like he had some offensive capabilities. I think he could be a bump/grind/retrieve the puck kind of player for a super-skilled duo.

I don't think most are expecting too much from him, just seems like someone you can put beside two high end scorers and he doesn't look too out of place if he sticks to his role of being a puck retriever and option #3.