Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2021/22

[hockeynorth]

So what's the "In legitimate contention for a day 1 roster spot" list up to now?

Robertson
Steeves
Anderson
Holmberg
Abruzzese
Knies* (If he signs)
Malgin** (Long shot he comes back over before UFA)

Add Kral

 

[nuck]

If Knies signs - and just like Abruzzese - he would not be eligible to play in the AHL this season. You had to be on the AHL roster at the time of the roster freeze.

Not even regular season?

 

[kk87]

So what's the "In legitimate contention for a day 1 roster spot" list up to now?

Robertson
Steeves
Anderson
Holmberg
Abruzzese
Knies* (If he signs)
Malgin** (Long shot he comes back over before UFA)

Just a huge influx of U23 talent that we either signed or drafted that's now ready to challenge for an NHL role. Awesome to see this wave of young talent come in, finally remedying Hunter's egregious failure in the 16 and 17 drafts.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Add Kral

Kral isn't ready either, and there isn't a spot for him.

He has another year of waiver exemption and I would run with Dahlstrom, Kral, and Rubins as our main LD depth on the Marlies. We would already be in a good spot for depth next year.

 

[kb]

Not even regular season?

Nope.....it's basically meant to keep teams from stacking their AHL team if their NHL team isn't going make the playoffs. If a player is not on the AHL roster at 3 pm on freeze day, they are ineligible to play in the AHL for the rest of the season.

That's why there is so many paper transactions of sending young guys down to be there for the roster freeze. And it's also why teams burn up the 4 callup rule at the same time.

 

[LeafChief]

Nope.....it's basically meant to keep teams from stacking their AHL team if their NHL team isn't going make the playoffs. If a player is not on the AHL roster at 3 pm on freeze day, they are ineligible to play in the AHL for the rest of the season.

That's why there is so many paper transactions of sending young guys down to be there for the roster freeze. And it's also why teams burn up the 4 callup rule at the same time.

How did it work with Andreas Johnsson joining the Marlies for the playoffs a few years back? Was he already signed to an ELC and loaned out to his Swedish team?

 

[4thline]

Nope.....it's basically meant to keep teams from stacking their AHL team if their NHL team isn't going make the playoffs. If a player is not on the AHL roster at 3 pm on freeze day, they are ineligible to play in the AHL for the rest of the season.

That's why there is so many paper transactions of sending young guys down to be there for the roster freeze. And it's also why teams burn up the 4 callup rule at the same time.

I thought that there used to be a carveout for new signings and PTO's, players coming directly from amateur and Euro hockey. Rielly for example played after Moose Jaw got didn't make the playoffs. Could just be that season end dates are all messed up from Covid, I think the OHL is around a month behind normal

 

[kb]

How did it work with Andreas Johnsson joining the Marlies for the playoffs a few years back? Was he already signed to an ELC and loaned out to his Swedish team?

Bingo. He signed in June 2015, and played in the 2016 AHL playoffs after his Swedish season had concluded.

 

[Cor]

Douglas up front for sure. I think one of Rubins or Hollowell will be given long looks as cheap depth... maybe both.

It doesn't feel like the Leafs will need to go out and sign anybody with all these good prospects knocking at the door.

The window is wide open.

EDIT: I forgot about Niemela as well. Could be someone that really blows competition away if he does get signed.

Honestly, I leave Niemela in Finland for at least another year. Or sign him and loan him back, leaving the door open to recall him to the Marlies mid-season or something.

 

[kb]

I thought that there used to be a carveout for new signings and PTO's, players coming directly from amateur and Euro hockey. Rielly for example played after Moose Jaw got didn't make the playoffs. Could just be that season end dates are all messed up from Covid, I think the OHL is around a month behind normal

Rielly had signed his ELC the summer prior. I believe this rule applies to NHL players who were not on the AHL roster on freeze day, and players who signed post AHL freeze deadline. Callups from lower leagues can still happen.

It's convoluted, but it's to avoid stacking an AHL team with NHL players for the playoffs..

 

[stickty111]

Hirvonen assist in game 6. His team and Niemela's have forced a game 7

 

[SprDaVE]

Hirvonen assist in game 6. His team and Niemela's have forced a game 7

 

[stickty111]

That explains it. Even during the end of the season, they were rotating him in and out of the lineup.

 

[djdev]

i really want knies to play with the leafs this year, he hasnt been around this team so i doubt he will feel the same pressure alot of these guys will feel when the playoffs roll around, just send him out and let him do his thing, maybe he scores a big goal for us..i can see it happening! hes like the rookie u send up in the 9th inning to face the legend pitcher throwing a no hitter, hes too young and excited to care about the "moment" hes in.

 

[Roadhog]

Parenteau was the starter in P.A. before Scott, they were the tandem there in 15-16, he was traded to make way for Scott in 16-17.

 

[Roadhog]

Wouldn't we have his rights for like 3 more years? He could be in the NHL next year I don't see him wanting to do back to college for

Until August 15th, 2025. Tverberg and 2 others are also on or before that date.

 

[Minty Cowboy]

Parenteau was the starter in P.A. before Scott, they were the tandem there in 15-16, he was traded to make way for Scott in 16-17.

So this guy is P.A Parenteau 2.0?

 

[meefer]

Just a huge influx of U23 talent that we either signed or drafted that's now ready to challenge for an NHL role. Awesome to see this wave of young talent come in, finally remedying Hunter's egregious failure in the 16 and 17 drafts.

It wasn't just Hunter, our drafting record during the early part of that decade was pathetic.

 

[stickty111]

Here are the playoff series for our prospects, and their stats in the series and entire playoffs. I will add and updates series for each league as they start
Updated Tuesday April 5th

Games today

Game 3: Frolunda wins 4-3 in OT
Frolunda leads 3-0

Game 6: Karpat wins 2-1
Series tied 3-3

Game 6: IFK wins 3-2
Series tied 3-3
Hirvonen 1 assist


MHL
3rd Round (best of 5)
SKA(2) vs Irbis(5)
Series tied 1-1
V. Peksa (Irbis)
Series:
GP 2 GAA 3.48 SV% .887 SO
Playoffs
GP 10 GAA 2.00 SV% .921 SO 2
Regular Season
GP 56 GAA 1.79 SV% .936 SO 9

Liga
1st Round (best of 7)
Ilvis(3) vs Karpat(6)
Series tied 3-3
Topi Niemela (Karpat)
Series:
GP 6 Goals Assists 1 Points 1
Playoffs:
GP 6 Goals Assists 1 Points 1
Regular season:
GP: 48 Goals: 10 Assists: 22 Points: 32

1st Round (best of 7)
TPS Turko(4) vs IFK(5)
Series tied 3-3
Roni Hirvonen (IFK)
Series:
GP 5 Goals 3 Assists 3 Points 6
Playoffs:
GP 5 Goals 3 Assists 3 Points 6
Regular season:
GP: 46 Goals: 9 Assists: 17 Points: 26

SHL
1st Round (best of 7)
Frolunda(4) vs Vaxjo
Frolunda leads 3-0
Pontus Holmberg (Vaxjo)
Series:
GP 3 Goals Assists 1 Points 1
Playoffs:
GP 3 Goals Assists 1 Points 1
Regular season:
GP: 46 Goals: 11 Assists: 30 Points: 41

Notes:
Karpat and IFK have forced a game 7.
Vaxjo is on the brink of elimination

 

[Tarmore]

It wasn't just Hunter, our drafting record during the early part of that decade was pathetic.

I don't think it was solely Hunder's Drafting, though it didn't help, but the development that is so much improved. Heck we are taking undrafted players and developing them into players now with pretty good results and regularity. Even a player every couple of years of that ilk is very much above the average NHL team.

 

[hockeynorth]

What’s Niemela’s projection?

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Maplebeasts]

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Interesting. That doesn't seem to add up with prior comments.

 

[mistaclick]

What’s Niemela’s projection?

Top-4, little bit of top pair upside, he's a monster in transition defense and loves to activate. Scored a ton this year too so we've seen his creativity bear fruit. Not very physical but won't shy away from action, just doesn't defend well along the boards (shutting down cycles), but the stick work is always effective. Great first pass, deceptive skating and handling too. I've taken a liking to him as the most skilled/reliable dman on Karpat this year on a consistent basis. Other defenseman on their team had me anxious at times while watching (including other Leafs prospect Rindell), so I'd say I've come to trust this guy on the ice.

Best attributes: 4-way skating and displays illusiveness/deceptiveness, smart player, transition defense (great stick through the NZ).
Needs work: Strength, speed (sometimes evident when beaten wide, good stick work usually makes up for this at Liiga level though), physical play (wish he'd be more like a Sandin as an undersized D, step into guys sometimes). Get him in with Dicky in the offseason in Toronto pretty much

Not a lot screams elite, so I see a #3/#4 dman here but there is certainly a chance he is our best RHD in a few years. Has all of the tools to be a PP QB, second-pair guy eating 18:00-20:00 a night on a good team.

He also averages 7 helmet adjustments a game. hehe. love the player though. Should be in Toronto this fall or next spring around this time. Hope this helps in some way

 

[LeafChief]

Interesting. That doesn't seem to add up with prior comments.

Dreger literally said the exacct opposite the day before on First Up. Dreger is a moron.