Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2021/22 PART II

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
Regarding "late round pick/undrafted" thing.
The NHL's draft results of Russians is just mindbogginlgy stupid. Ask any anybody with knowledge...they'll tell you same same.

EXAMPLE:
Russia has developed really good goalies lately. So what occured this past draft? NHL teams went goalie hunting. I mean we had 5 goalies taken in the later rounds.
Except anybody with common sense could tell you Russia's goalie crop was garbage this draft. Still, NHL teams were drafting MHL back-ups and some dude from NAHL over some really talented position players. Even then our best eligible goalies (currently backing up Askarov at WJC) weren't drafted.
Teams are looking for 'home runs' based on current trends, not common sense in-depth scouting.

When things like this occur it's only natural that the few 4th-7th round picks are gonna be developmentally passed by other undrafted talented players and late bloomers; especially considering the gigantic talent pool of under-scouted players here. Mathmatics should tell you this alone.

NHL teams simply dont have the resources to properly scout this massive country. It's why so many undrafted gems slip through the cracks, and also why a lot of kids feel the need to go to North America early -> NHL exposure.
32 teams have some form of Amateur scouting in place in Russia. Comprised almost exclusively with Russian born and raised citizens just like yourself (assuming this based on your location). Only difference is these scouts are directly involved with Hockey in Russia and some of them have even played in the very leagues they are scouting.

If the argument is that Russia being the largest country in the world makes it impossible for NHL teams to spot the talent thoroughly, then how exactly does the common fan such as yourself know that teams wasted picks on "home-run" style players over "talented position players"?

wherein, How is your ability to spot the talent from your living room any better than an amateur scout that would have more access to film, resources to fly into the cities to watch games in person, and the time to actually invest on making an educated opinion?

I agree, Russia would be easily the hardest country on the planet to scout for a variety of reasons. Geographical complications being probably one of the biggest reasons. However the cream always rises to the top. It's not like these guys are playing in caves in the year 1915. They all play in reputable leagues that are all being filmed. They can sift through every game if they really wanted. Players like Dmitry are not uncommon. They dominate the lower levels, and then they are shackled into insignificant/irrelevant roles until their low to mid 20's when they are less on NHL teams radar. By the time they are even able to showcase what they can do at a higher level they may have already given up the dream to play in the NHL likely. You cannot tell me that would not be viewed as a success story for any KHL club. Who wouldn't want to keep their young stars?

For those at the upper end of prospect pyramids, ie. the Podkolzin's of the world, they are not deterred from those lack of roles. They know their skill. That's why I have zero worries on Rodion. That's not to say I don't think there is a better place for Rodion to develop, but I am less worried about his lack of playing time. He will be a Leaf eventually.

Dmitry on the other hand has shown the ability to dominate the lower levels. Why wouldn't Sibir want to explore developing him at a different level? You can suggest he has been given an opportunity in the KHL, which I guess would be accurate if you think 5 mins of average TOI this year in the K is an opportunity.

I'm assuming Dmitry is viewed very similarly from Sibir's perspective as Nick Robertson is viewed by the Leafs. Both were/are Prolific Junior players that at the current moment just don't look ready for the highest level. That said, only 1 game Nick Robertson has played at the NHL level has been under 5mins TOI. And that was the game he was hurt after his 2nd shift.

When the Leafs did not intend to use Nick in a way that would improve his game, they sent him to the next best league for his development. Because they care about his development. Sending Dmitry back down to a league where he dominates would be like the Leafs sending Nick back to Peterborough for a 20 yr old season.

anyways, I can definitely respect your opinions on how this unfolds differently from your perspective. I genuinely can appreciate that you would have more knowledge on this than I would. But from an outsider perspective, this sort of shit just doesn't happen in any other European Leagues. There always seems to be a natural progression for the young players. When it doesn't the player almost always seeks other opportunities elsewhere.
 
Overall good 1st period for Amirov. Didn't create anything significant, didn't get burned defensively. Nice to see him back out and playing actual minutes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Twine Tickler
Amirov's game still looks like it did at the end of last season. KHL games are so boing when they play strict to a system because they just don't allow players to be creative, but Amirov is able to play in the system and break out of it in a way elite players manage to do. He's so good in transition defense (I've seen him break up at least 3 plays in the neutral zone) and has stopped a few breakouts. The guys defensive stick is legitimately fantastic.

He looks so slick out there too. His skating is so smooth, he doesn't mishandle the puck, his passing is tape-to-tape. He's easily the best player on his line, and I haven't seen anyone else that's significantly better on the team to where he shouldn't be in the top-9 (at least) the rest of the season. 78 and 41 have had great games as well. Side note on 41: it's been so long since I've seen a Salavat game I forgot Kulemin is now on the team. Miss that guy.
 
Side note on 41: it's been so long since I've seen a Salavat game I forgot Kulemin is now on the team. Miss that guy.
Kule had a couple really strong seasons for us. I remember that Kulemin - Grabovski - MacArthur line that one year was basically our top line LOL. Oh how times have changed

I always loved Kule's willingness to play in the dirty areas of the ice. Sneaky strong player. It was really strange how he was never able to replicate that 30 goal season. Normally if you play in the dirty areas as much as him you get rewarded. Kind of like Bunting this year
 
Kule had a couple really strong seasons for us. I remember that Kulemin - Grabovski - MacArthur line that one year was basically our top line LOL. Oh how times have changed

I always loved Kule's willingness to play in the dirty areas of the ice. Sneaky strong player. It was really strange how he was never able to replicate that 30 goal season. Normally if you play in the dirty areas as much as him you get rewarded. Kind of like Bunting this year

That's what happens when Randy Carlyle takes over and ruins everything about that line :(
 
  • Like
Reactions: stickty111
Kule had a couple really strong seasons for us. I remember that Kulemin - Grabovski - MacArthur line that one year was basically our top line LOL. Oh how times have changed

I always loved Kule's willingness to play in the dirty areas of the ice. Sneaky strong player. It was really strange how he was never able to replicate that 30 goal season. Normally if you play in the dirty areas as much as him you get rewarded. Kind of like Bunting this year


Plane crash tragedy hits close to home for Maple Leafs

A Russian air craft carrying members of Yaroslavl Lokomotiv hockey team crashed today. The names of the dead have not been released, but a team official said the entire roster was on the plane.

“Igor Korolev was my friend. I don’t know if he was on the plane. But I think he was,” said Kulemin. “I know all the guys, all young guys, I played junior with them,” added Kulemin. “I know everybody because I played in that league three years.
“It’s crazy.”

...and Kulemin was just never the same again.....
 
Amirov's game still looks like it did at the end of last season. KHL games are so boing when they play strict to a system because they just don't allow players to be creative, but Amirov is able to play in the system and break out of it in a way elite players manage to do. He's so good in transition defense (I've seen him break up at least 3 plays in the neutral zone) and has stopped a few breakouts. The guys defensive stick is legitimately fantastic.

He looks so slick out there too. His skating is so smooth, he doesn't mishandle the puck, his passing is tape-to-tape. He's easily the best player on his line, and I haven't seen anyone else that's significantly better on the team to where he shouldn't be in the top-9 (at least) the rest of the season. 78 and 41 have had great games as well. Side note on 41: it's been so long since I've seen a Salavat game I forgot Kulemin is now on the team. Miss that guy.
You can see why Dubas chose him. The transitional defence, his puck handling and puck skills are all plus. He reminds me of Nylander somtimes with the way he carries it. I don't know if he will ever be as dynamic as Willy but the similarities are there.
 
Plane crash tragedy hits close to home for Maple Leafs

A Russian air craft carrying members of Yaroslavl Lokomotiv hockey team crashed today. The names of the dead have not been released, but a team official said the entire roster was on the plane.

“Igor Korolev was my friend. I don’t know if he was on the plane. But I think he was,” said Kulemin. “I know all the guys, all young guys, I played junior with them,” added Kulemin. “I know everybody because I played in that league three years.
“It’s crazy.”

...and Kulemin was just never the same again.....
I think I heard from somewhere that he took that tragedy really hard.
 
Amirov got more chances in a 30 second PP than the 1st unit did altogether an entire 5v3 and another two PP's they took the whole 2 minutes for. Wonder what they could use on the top-unit, hm.
 
Watched a period of the game today for Amirov and noticed that he looks significantly bigger and his skating is smooth. Reminds me a lot of Kucherov. Hopefully, he's good at protecting the pucks like Kuch is too.
 
I think I heard from somewhere that he took that tragedy really hard.

I had heard the same. Kulemin had been one of my favourite Leafs up until that point. A true power forward.

I had heard the same. I believe Igor Korolev was his kid's god father. He was my favourite player as well...blooming into a hell of a 2-way/power type forward and yea I think we all saw the drop off afterwards, a shame.
 
Once the NHL pulls out of the Olympics, I imagine we may see some of our prospects at the Olympics representing their nations.

You would like Holmberg has a chance for Sweden. Does Rubins still go for Latvia?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Twine Tickler
That would be a franchise altering outcome. Let's hope! I feel pretty confident he will be an NHL player, where on that spectrum though I have no idea.

Batherson was a mid round pick as well. Think the Senators have done pretty well picking guys like him and Stone and probably Formenton too. We need a break like that.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad