Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2021/22 PART II

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As it pertains to Amirov, in what parallel universe would Salavat take him back and increase his salary (which goes against the cap), only to purposely sit him in favor of lesser players?

That makes no sense, financial or otherwise. If they wanted to develop other guys they'd tell him to piss-off and use that money towards other guys.
Is the narrative really that Salavat so corrupt and 'anti-NHL' they'd do all this just to intentionally ruin his development and slight the Leafs? Wow, just wow.
 
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As it pertains to Amirov, in what parallel universe would Salavat take him back and increase his salary (which goes against the cap), only to purposely sit him in favor of lesser players?

That makes no sense, financial or otherwise. If they wanted to develop other guys they'd tell him to piss-off and use that money towards other guys.
Is the narrative really that Salavat so corrupt and 'anti-NHL' they'd do all this just to intentionally ruin his development and slight the Leafs? Wow, just wow.

Nobody has said just Salavat is corrupt and anti NHL. Majority of people have said the league is in general and I believe Twine was proving that by saying a majority of the Russian players in the NHL are undrafted so they actually got to develop by playing a good amount of minutes in the KHL and not playing 2 minutes in a game. Players who were strictly Enforcers in the NHL literally played more minutes than that a night. Then the coach gives a lame excuse saying they just couldn't find a time to get him in because everytime he wanted to they went on the PK and all that.
 
Nobody has said just Salavat is corrupt and anti NHL. Majority of people have said the league is in general and I believe Twine was proving that by saying a majority of the Russian players in the NHL are undrafted so they actually got to develop by playing a good amount of minutes in the KHL and not playing 2 minutes in a game. Players who were strictly Enforcers in the NHL literally played more minutes than that a night. Then the coach gives a lame excuse saying they just couldn't find a time to get him in because everytime he wanted to they went on the PK and all that.

Does Amirov have the ability to terminate his own contract with them or did they close that loophole? I remember Malkin did that way back in the day...although there isn't officially a transfer agreement either.
 
Does Amirov have the ability to terminate his own contract with them or did they close that loophole? I remember Malkin did that way back in the day...although there isn't officially a transfer agreement either.

Leafs could since he is signed with us but like Zine has said Amirov probably prefers to be closer to home if he's not gonna be playing in the NHL, but he probably thought he'd get a major role in the KHL. I believe this entire discussion started because a few people were questioning why lesser talented players were playing over him and then it got turned into a few of us hating on the Russian league and what not for some reason.
 
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Leafs could since he is signed with us but like Zine has said Amirov probably prefers to be closer to home if he's not gonna be playing in the NHL, but he probably thought he'd get a major role in the KHL. I believe this entire discussion started because a few people were questioning why lesser talented players were playing over him and then it got turned into a few of us hating on the Russian league and what not for some reason.

"It's politics"

Maybe he'd re-consider since with SDA, Abramov, Gogolev etc in the AHL and we could guarantee him top 6 ice time.
 
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"It's politics"

Maybe he'd re-consider since with SDA, Abramov, Gogolev etc in the AHL and we could guarantee him top 6 ice time.

Yeah who knows. I was gonna say maybe they're gonna be patient and see if that 1 game was just a fluke and they play him more than 2 shifts in a game but I just saw he hasn't even been in the lineup the past 2 games. I guess we'll have to see on Monday and Wednesday if that continues because if they sit him for 4 games straight then I think the Leafs will have to step in and figure something out.
 
Had he come over and played with the Marlies, he'd be getting NHL games right now (assuming the league doesn't shut down).

Ha I was just thinking that when I saw Spezza and Simmonds are in protocol...Robertson injured...yea I could see them giving Amirov a spin around if he was over here.
 
Honestly, I’ve said it on here before and I’ll say it again. As frustrating as Amirov not playing is, I really truly have zero worries about him as a player and how he is developing. Or rather not developing at the moment. I do agree with @Zine that Amirov likely wants to be closer to home, and when he agreed to be loaned back to UFA he was likely happy to go back. I even think he posted on social media after his loan agreement was arranged how excited and appreciative he was for UFA, but then again I don’t read cryllic script nor do I speak Russian. So I really don’t know what he said. It just looked like an appreciation post.

That said, I really don’t think he ever envisioned his year going the way it has. Obviously injury is something UFA and Rodian could not have predicted. But the way they’ve handled him in his return is not very good till this point IMO.

I don’t think it’s completely out of the realm of possibilities that he may have some frustration setting in when he sees clearly inferior players getting better opportunities. I would not be surprised if he wants to make the move to NA sooner rather than later. Especially with the heavy Russian influence on the Marlies. At the end of the day, Rodian knows he is an NHL talent. He’s not going to be persuaded against that by his current coach indicating otherwise either verbally or by his coaching decisions.

My worry has always been with Dmitry. I can only imagine that his belief that he can be an NHL’er is fading by the day. He is buried in a league he continually dominates, and when given a call up does not play. Despite strong showings in the preseason and in the limited times he’s seen a KHL sheet. It looks clear to me that they don’t have a development plan for Dmitry in Sibir, because At the very least he’d be playing in a league that progresses him as a player.

I would love for the leafs management to set a plan in motion to get Dmitry and Rodian over to the Marlies for the start of next season. I recognize there are a lot of things that contribute to them wanting to stay in Russia, but in the case of Dmitry, it might be as simple as saying this is realistically the only way we [Leafs Management] see you making the NHL at some point in your life. Come over to Toronto for 3 seasons, if you don’t see NHL time by then you can always return home to make your bread. But at least you gave it a run. And what better timing to go to NA then now. When there is SDA, Gogolev, Abramov…and maybe Rodian to help you adjust.

That possibility would have to excite him I’d think. Not to mention Kyle has been unbelievably fair with Russian players in the past, and has never denied them a change of scenery or a return home. So why would this be any different? To me that should be a priority from our development staff this coming offseason. Get control of our Russian prospects.
 
Honestly, I’ve said it on here before and I’ll say it again. As frustrating as Amirov not playing is, I really truly have zero worries about him as a player and how he is developing. Or rather not developing at the moment. I do agree with @Zine that Amirov likely wants to be closer to home, and when he agreed to be loaned back to UFA he was likely happy to go back. I even think he posted on social media after his loan agreement was arranged how excited and appreciative he was for UFA, but then again I don’t read cryllic script nor do I speak Russian. So I really don’t know what he said. It just looked like an appreciation post.

That said, I really don’t think he ever envisioned his year going the way it has. Obviously injury is something UFA and Rodian could not have predicted. But the way they’ve handled him in his return is not very good till this point IMO.

I don’t think it’s completely out of the realm of possibilities that he may have some frustration setting in when he sees clearly inferior players getting better opportunities. I would not be surprised if he wants to make the move to NA sooner rather than later. Especially with the heavy Russian influence on the Marlies. At the end of the day, Rodian knows he is an NHL talent. He’s not going to be persuaded against that by his current coach indicating otherwise either verbally or by his coaching decisions.

My worry has always been with Dmitry. I can only imagine that his belief that he can be an NHL’er is fading by the day. He is buried in a league he continually dominates, and when given a call up does not play. Despite strong showings in the preseason and in the limited times he’s seen a KHL sheet. It looks clear to me that they don’t have a development plan for Dmitry in Sibir, because At the very least he’d be playing in a league that progresses him as a player.

I would love for the leafs management to set a plan in motion to get Dmitry and Rodian over to the Marlies for the start of next season. I recognize there are a lot of things that contribute to them wanting to stay in Russia, but in the case of Dmitry, it might be as simple as saying this is realistically the only way we [Leafs Management] see you making the NHL at some point in your life. Come over to Toronto for 3 seasons, if you don’t see NHL time by then you can always return home to make your bread. But at least you gave it a run. And what better timing to go to NA then now. When there is SDA, Gogolev, Abramov…and maybe Rodian to help you adjust.

That possibility would have to excite him I’d think. Not to mention Kyle has been unbelievably fair with Russian players in the past, and has never denied them a change of scenery or a return home. So why would this be any different? To me that should be a priority from our development staff this coming offseason. Get control of our Russian prospects.

I think next year is probably the best time to get both Rodion (won't happen because of his contract) and Dmitri over to the Marlies. Right now the Marlies have SDA, Gogo and Abramov who are all guys from Russia born and raised and can greatly help Rodion and Dmitri transition over to the North American lifestyle. Not to mention having a coach like Nik Antropov heavily involved in their development as well. Those guys can grow together and push one another and help both themselves and the Marlies who desperately need some high-end talent. Also please get Moore out and get someone in their who knows how to develop young guys.
 
Scrolling through the lineup charts, roni plays both left wing and center. He probably plays more left wing when there are injuries and center when not. He was the first line center for assat last year i believe.

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I heard that his defensive instincts and hockey iq are fine for the center. I could be wrong, i don’t watch him. The NHL is used to having large centers, but i think undersized centers will be more common as faceoffs become devalued.
 
He's played the majority of the time at wing this year.

May have to play C at the WJC with Aatu Raty being ineligible right before the Dec 15 cut-off.

He is a natural center and a good one. He plays wing because it gets him more opportunities higher in the lineup.
 
He is a natural center and a good one. He plays wing because it gets him more opportunities higher in the lineup.

I have only seen some video and the WJC last year...whenever the hell I have seen him play I just think "Zetterberg" when I see him play...no idea how that keeps popping into my head. I just see some stylistic similarities.
 
Nobody has said just Salavat is corrupt and anti NHL. Majority of people have said the league is in general and I believe Twine was proving that by saying a majority of the Russian players in the NHL are undrafted so they actually got to develop by playing a good amount of minutes in the KHL and not playing 2 minutes in a game. Players who were strictly Enforcers in the NHL literally played more minutes than that a night. Then the coach gives a lame excuse saying they just couldn't find a time to get him in because everytime he wanted to they went on the PK and all that.


Why's this a "KHL" thing? Each KHL team is different, each coach is different, each GM is different.

Is the ice time of some NHL picks concerning? Without question.
Does this mean 'anti-NHL' crap is occuring? Not unless you can establish a pattern of such actions by said individual team. Otherwise it's just speculation. I likewise wonder what the hell is going on with some really awesome un-drafted players too.

PLEASE be aware, for most KHL teams, their best prospects are gonna leave regardless. As such there's no incentive to bench the NHL-drafted prospect. Because the kid who takes his place will either be discovered by the NHL or eventually gobbled up by the big boys (SKA, CSKA, Avangard, etc.) too.

For the bigger KHL clubs, many have strong connectins to the National Team. Teams aren't gonna screw around with development because of that too.
 
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Regarding "late round pick/undrafted" thing.
The NHL's draft results of Russians is just mindbogginlgy stupid. Ask any anybody with knowledge...they'll tell you same same.

EXAMPLE:
Russia has developed really good goalies lately. So what occured this past draft? NHL teams went goalie hunting. I mean we had 5 goalies taken in the later rounds.
Except anybody with common sense could tell you Russia's goalie crop was garbage this draft. Still, NHL teams were drafting MHL back-ups and some dude from NAHL over some really talented position players. Even then our best eligible goalies (currently backing up Askarov at WJC) weren't drafted.
Teams are looking for 'home runs' based on current trends, not common sense in-depth scouting.

When things like this occur it's only natural that the few 4th-7th round picks are gonna be developmentally passed by other undrafted talented players and late bloomers; especially considering the gigantic talent pool of under-scouted players here. Mathmatics should tell you this alone.

NHL teams simply dont have the resources to properly scout this massive country. It's why so many undrafted gems slip through the cracks, and also why a lot of kids feel the need to go to North America early -> NHL exposure.
 
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