Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[SprDaVE]

My thoughts on when Clark selected Cowan reminded me of doing fantasy drafts with my buddies.
I always say it is great to grab sleeper picks but if you do it in the early rounds you didn't have to pick a sleeper. A sleeper is great as a later sneaky pick.

My thoughts have changed and I think Treliving and Clark showed a lot of courage sticking to their draft board even though it was not concensus.
When I saw this smallish guy walk from the rafters on draft day I was not thinking positive thoughts.

This is why pro's don't care and shouldn't care what a scale says, it's what they do on the ice that matters.

 

[4thline]

My thoughts on when Clark selected Cowan reminded me of doing fantasy drafts with my buddies.
I always say it is great to grab sleeper picks but if you do it in the early rounds you didn't have to pick a sleeper. A sleeper is great as a later sneaky pick.

My thoughts have changed and I think Treliving and Clark showed a lot of courage sticking to their draft board even though it was not concensus.
When I saw this smallish guy walk from the rafters on draft day I was not thinking positive thoughts.

A few comments in his pre-leafs prospect thread suggest that the pick wasn't really surprising or seen as a reach within the Ontario scouting community, and highlight the difference between public rankings and draft boards.

 

[francis246]

A few comments in his pre-leafs prospect thread suggest that the pick wasn't really surprising or seen as a reach within the Ontario scouting community, and highlight the difference between public rankings and draft boards.

I saw a clip where Wes Clark and some other analysts said other teams had him rated as a first rounder. I don’t think he would have made it to the second round tbh. He had a hell of a playoffs and was a huge riser. You have to think he would have gotten scooped up.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Here’s a fun question. How many forwards that were drafted ahead of Cowan outside the top 10 would you trade him for right now?

Based on what I’ve seen from him in the rookie tournament, pre-season, and now his first few OHL games… it would be a very short list.

Outside the top 10 I take Willander, Moore, Perreault and Sandin Pelika over him

 

[ChazzMichaelMichaels]

Any western eyes on Chadwick? We've got a 6'4 D with 9 points in 9 games to start his D+1 and not a peep

The Athletic had a prospect update article and touched on his hot start.

Article talks about his skating improving a lot this past off-season and seems to be the catalyst to his great start.

 

[kerk]

Any western eyes on Chadwick? We've got a 6'4 D with 9 points in 9 games to start his D+1 and not a peep

no basis for this feeling at all besides post-draft season similarity but it's giving me andrew nielsen vibes and all i can hope is that i'm totally wrong

 

[4thline]

no basis for this feeling at all besides post-draft season similarity but it's giving me andrew nielsen vibes and all i can hope is that i'm totally wrong

Ha I'm in the exact same boat and not willing to get my hopes without mainstream acknowledgement like a WJC invite etc.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It actually looks now that Dubas might have sold high on a talented but flawed player in Sandin.

Caps fans are already turning on him (posts from their GDT last night)

" Sandin is not so good, short and slow"
"Sandin is playing way too many minutes"
"Sandin with a lazy ass penalty"
"Particularly with Sandin not playing great"

Sandin is talented and will provide offense. He will be a effective player on a teams PP, move the puck 5v5 but the real question is can he actually consistently play defence and in a top 4 spot? His overall skating is a big concern and gets really highlighted when he plays in a elevated role.

Sandin is a high IQ player with good offensive skills, but his size and footspeed were notable concerns for sure. That limitation can force him to make poor decisions or lose battles.

I was ok with the trade if they parlayed it into something good, and it appears with Cowan that it is looking quite promising.

Goes to show it’s ok to sell high on assets and parlay that into other useful pieces

Also gaining more confidence in Wes Clark

It feels like somewhere around the Knies draft things changed a bit, went for more compete/size.

In terms of Sandin and selling high, just wish we got additional draft capital. Dubas said himself they could have but opted to get Gus included in the deal.

We didn't use him enough and maybe Keefe does less galaxy brain stuff with 1 less D.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

It feels like somewhere around the Knies draft things changed a bit, went for more compete/size.

In terms of Sandin and selling high, just wish we got additional draft capital. Dubas said himself they could have but opted to get Gus included in the deal.

We didn't use him enough and maybe Keefe does less galaxy brain stuff with 1 less D.

Would be nice to have additional picks but I understand the reasoning behind getting Gus. If Rielly had been injured for playoffs, we wouldn't have had a legit powerplay weapon on the backend to replace him

 

[WTFMAN99]

Would be nice to have additional picks but I understand the reasoning behind getting Gus. If Rielly had been injured for playoffs, we wouldn't have had a legit powerplay weapon on the backend to replace him

We also closed the series out with Gus in the line up and won our only game against Florida with Gus in the line up...not sure if Keefe noticed that.

 

[genk]

no basis for this feeling at all besides post-draft season similarity but it's giving me andrew nielsen vibes and all i can hope is that i'm totally wrong

Andrew Nielsen will forever have the strangest development curves. A fine D+1, and fantastic D+2, an amazing D+3 where he put up 39 points in the AHL in his rookie season, then an ok D+4, and then by D+5 he was barely an AHL player.

 

[hockeynorth]

Andrew Nielsen will forever have the strangest development curves. A fine D+1, and fantastic D+2, an amazing D+3 where he put up 39 points in the AHL in his rookie season, then an ok D+4, and then by D+5 he was barely an AHL player.

yeah idk what happened there

 

[Judas Tavares]

It feels like somewhere around the Knies draft things changed a bit, went for more compete/size.

In terms of Sandin and selling high, just wish we got additional draft capital. Dubas said himself they could have but opted to get Gus included in the deal.

We didn't use him enough and maybe Keefe does less galaxy brain stuff with 1 less D.

I didn't know the bolded. That's interesting. Guessing it wouldn't have been more than an additional 5th or something. But shows the Caps really valued Sandin.

A lot of people didn't like the trade and now it's easier with Cowan hindsight but I liked it the second the deal was made. If you have a player someone else values that just isn't working on your end, shouldn't hesitate to get value back rather than let them get stale and lose value over time.

It probably helped the Caps had just received an additional 1st in the Orlov deal, but I was a tad surprised Sandin returned a 1st.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I didn't know the bolded. That's interesting. Guessing it wouldn't have been more than an additional 5th or something. But shows the Caps really valued Sandin.

A lot of people didn't like the trade and now it's easier with Cowan hindsight but I liked it the second the deal was made. If you have a player someone else values that just isn't working on your end, shouldn't hesitate to get value back rather than let them get stale and lose value over time.

It probably helped the Caps had just received an additional 1st in the Orlov deal, but I was a tad surprised Sandin returned a 1st.

I think I was just a bit concerned about the age and what was coming in our pipeline.

Rielly is in his prime now and LD looked pretty barren but now Kokkonen has emerged as maybe a 3rd pairing option...I don't know if Sandin's lack of speed is going to allow him to move beyond that.

The negotiations last time etc made me happy to turn the page though in the end.

 

[Prominence]

Any western eyes on Chadwick? We've got a 6'4 D with 9 points in 9 games to start his D+1 and not a peep

You can check this post here, but the short version is he has above-average skill and good offensive IQ. His defense has a lot to be desired in terms of positioning and slow feet. He is someone you take in the 5-7th rounds, but his chance of making it to nhl is iffy.

Prospect Info: - 2023 6th Rd Selection - #185 OA - D, Noah Chadwick [Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL; 6’4, 187 lbs]

Aircraft carriers turn faster than Luke Schenn and he's managed a very respectable career and is still good at 33. Skating is becoming kind of overrated these days.

forums.hfboards.com

On another note, Kressler scores in a high danger zone. He is awful on the pp, but he looks pretty fast. A little more tentative on the pk than what I used to see. Very high compete along the boards. Add an empty net goal.

 

[Thornbury]

Cowan seems like a special prospect. Credit to the scouting staff, put themselves out there going off the board. I feel like sometimes if you are going to hit that home run you do have to be willing to take a risk. Gonna be fun following him all year.

In a perfect world, we could see Cowan as our 2C and Minten as a very capable 3C for a number of years.

 

[AlienWorkShop]

Would be nice to have additional picks but I understand the reasoning behind getting Gus. If Rielly had been injured for playoffs, we wouldn't have had a legit powerplay weapon on the backend to replace him

We also closed the series out with Gus in the line up and won our only game against Florida with Gus in the line up...not sure if Keefe noticed that.

Klingberg at $4.15m or Gustafsson at $825k, hmm

 

[The Iceman]

Klingberg at $4.15m or Gustafsson at $825k, hmm

image them as a pairing LOL

I think what I am noticing is Klingberg is obviously not good in his own zone.
Even worse is I don't think he has a conscience.

His giveaway up the boards in the first period that led to a goal.
Giveaway was a bad play but block that shot would be what most D would do after screwing up.

 

[francis246]

Andrew Nielsen will forever have the strangest development curves. A fine D+1, and fantastic D+2, an amazing D+3 where he put up 39 points in the AHL in his rookie season, then an ok D+4, and then by D+5 he was barely an AHL player.

Didn’t he have some off ice issues as well

 

[stickty111]

Didn’t he have some off ice issues as well

Bracco

 

[francis246]

Bracco

Thank you, I couldn’t remember which of our prospects around that time was having issues off ice!

 

[Byron Bitz]

In a perfect world, we could see Cowan as our 2C and Minten as a very capable 3C for a number of years.

I thought Cowan was a winger?

 

[Thornbury]

I thought Cowan was a winger?

London is playing him at centre this year.

 

[nuck]

Ha I'm in the exact same boat and not willing to get my hopes without mainstream acknowledgement like a WJC invite etc.

I checked him out at Eliteprospects and his ancient history at younger levels does show a lot of offense. A small sample so far but it worth watching. My guess is foot speed is why he went in the 6th so hopefully thats improving.

 

[nuck]

Didn’t he have some off ice issues as well

For sure what he could do at age 20 for the Marlies kind of set him up to be a pretty decent AHLer at least. I think he had something occur but it have been concussions or something like depression or lupus rather than a lifestyle thing. Of course 8 AHL teams in 4 years might suggest he isn't an easy guy to work with. Hope he finds his way again. I see Nick Mattinen seems to have eventually become a DEL stud so maybe the kid should look back over there