Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

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I don't think it is all that useful for him, there are a few older guys there but it's less games and with most of the cast returning to London, they'll likely be gunning for the Memorial cup again.

So if drafted out of CHL teams have 2 years to sign them.

What happens if player moves to NCAA after 1 year CHL?

IS NCAA going to allow players in CHL, who have signed a NHL deal play?

I can only imagine the corruption in the NCAA with the $150k+ scholarships, and arranged job$ to keep them "amateur".
 

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The OHL is going to become elite. All the top kids playing major junior will now play in the O and still strive for a scholarship. So many kids who wanted scholarships stayed out of the O but can now play there
 

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The OHL is going to become elite. All the top kids playing major junior will now play in the O and still strive for a scholarship. So many kids who wanted scholarships stayed out of the O but can now play there

So just thinking of a scenario where a player wants to do the NCAA route, but isn't ready for college.

CHL under age 20, then NCAA.

Drafted out of CHL, but unwilling to sign, NCAA 1-2 years and then free agency.

Do teams change draft strategy?
 

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So just thinking of a scenario where a player wants to do the NCAA route, but isn't ready for college.

CHL under age 20, then NCAA.

Drafted out of CHL, but unwilling to sign, NCAA 1-2 years and then free agency.

Do teams change draft strategy?
How would you srategize for that
 

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How would you srategize for that

A great question.


If the player signs early, as many 1st. rounders do, they are probably excluded from NCAA eligibility.

Maybe there is no change, a player who is good enough will be offered a contract, and if they refuse to sign it they go back in the draft if age permits.

If they commit to NCAA before going back in the draft, what happens if re-drafted while a NCAA player?
Does the NHL team own their rights for 4 years?
If the player joins NCAA within 2 years of being drafted, do rights to the player still expire after 2 years?
Is there a propensity of the children of professionals (Lawyers/doctors/physicists/...) to pursue higher education over professional gambles? Being drafted <> NHL paycheques. Certainly, you can make okay money in the minors, but they ain't (for the majority) making doctor's salaries. And it's only a temp job, maybe you get 10 years?

I like what change brings, but I don't accept it is always good.
 

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I expect Greb to give the AHL a shot since he's probably close to getting NHL games as early as this season. He seems to fit in as well with the coaches. So if he gets a real shot early and does very well, he might stick around. But if he's struggling and ice time is a little harder to get, I could see him loaned to the KHL to finish the season.
 

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So just thinking of a scenario where a player wants to do the NCAA route, but isn't ready for college.

CHL under age 20, then NCAA.

Drafted out of CHL, but unwilling to sign, NCAA 1-2 years and then free agency.

Do teams change draft strategy?
Kids sign scholarships in advance. Lots of instances where a 17 year old signs at the beginning of a season but doesn’t go until the following year.
 

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Topi Niemela and other undersized prospects caught in Maple Leafs organizational shift - The Athletic

If you didn’t know any better while watching Topi Niemela during the Toronto Maple Leafs rookie tournament in September, it would have been easy to assume he was on the fast track to the NHL.

Niemela’s skating, efficient decision-making and skill with the puck looked a cut above the rest of the Leafs defencemen during two games against Montreal Canadiens prospects. The Leafs’ 2020 third-round pick put up five points in two games. Perhaps for a 22-year-old, that should be expected. Still, Niemela looked primed for the next step in his career after a full season in the AHL.

Come Leafs training camp days later, however, Niemela was paired with other AHL defenders. Meanwhile, recent blue line addition Cade Webber, all 6-foot-7 of him, was deployed alongside NHL defenders. Niemela played just one of the Leafs’ six preseason games and his short-term future as a Toronto Marlie seemed pre-destined.

On Friday, Niemela was cut from the Leafs and assigned to the Marlies. The team’s top defence prospect – at least on paper – barely got a sniff at the NHL roster. Drafted as a cerebral, puck-moving offensive blueliner, Niemela’s game has evolved since coming to North America. But he now feels far off management and the coaching staff’s radar.

After a disappointing fall, is it worth wondering what Niemela’s future with the Leafs will look like? The clock isn’t close to midnight on his chances to become a Leaf, but it is ticking.

“I know I got drafted four years ago. But, I don’t personally feel pressure at all,” Niemela said.


Niemela likely spending another full season in the AHL is less of an indictment of his playing ability and more indicative of an organizational shift that has left him, and multiple other prospects, on the outside looking in.

A new focus on size on the blue line only heightens concerns about Niemela’s future. They are concerns that existed when he was drafted and stood 5-foot-10. He was listed in training camp as 6-feet, 181 pounds. There’s an edge to his game, but he doesn’t always play like a typical heavy defender. But just over four years ago, it felt like there could be opportunities on the Leafs roster for small-ish players. Niemela was reflective of the Kyle Dubas-led drafting. Namely, there was a focus on taking swings and betting on talent.

But things have changed, and Niemela’s future with the Leafs is questionable because of that change. Treliving’s focus on size on the blue line may limit the chance for Niemela to show off any upside. He is now in the final season of his entry-level deal.

Recent high Leafs draft picks, including Fraser Minten and Ben Danford might not have high-end upside. But they do have pro-ready traits and size.
In Treliving’s first proper draft at the helm of the Leafs this summer, most of their seven picks were in the 6-foot-2 and above range.
 

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Odd article. Niemela hasn’t shown he’s ready to make the step yet even with a good camp. He has to carry that forward and step up in the AHL to earn a chance
 
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Recent high Leafs draft picks, including Fraser Minten and Ben Danford might not have high-end upside. But they do have pro-ready traits and size. In Treliving’s first proper draft at the helm of the Leafs this summer, most of their seven picks were in the 6-foot-2 and above range.

Such a stupid article... literally left out the best prospect we have and the guy who was drafted between these two who is a similar size to Niemela.

Thanks for sharing though.

Webber and Mattinen show that size means next to nothing if you can't play.

Also, people ignore that Calgary had small D for some reason when they talk about Treliving and D.
 
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learning that the ahl changed how they stream their games this year, and the package where you can buy just one team's games no longer exists. RIP to watching the marlies for me i guess.
 
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A great question.


If the player signs early, as many 1st. rounders do, they are probably excluded from NCAA eligibility.

Maybe there is no change, a player who is good enough will be offered a contract, and if they refuse to sign it they go back in the draft if age permits.

If they commit to NCAA before going back in the draft, what happens if re-drafted while a NCAA player?
Does the NHL team own their rights for 4 years?
If the player joins NCAA within 2 years of being drafted, do rights to the player still expire after 2 years?
Is there a propensity of the children of professionals (Lawyers/doctors/physicists/...) to pursue higher education over professional gambles? Being drafted <> NHL paycheques. Certainly, you can make okay money in the minors, but they ain't (for the majority) making doctor's salaries. And it's only a temp job, maybe you get 10 years?

I like what change brings, but I don't accept it is always good.

Honestly they should probably just raise the NHL draft age.

Very few players are ever ready to jump to the NHL right away.
 
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Honestly they should probably just raise the NHL draft age.

Very few players are ever ready to jump to the NHL right away.
buddy and I were chatting about this ... hard to deny an 18 year old the opportunity to "earn" a living .... easiest way to do it is allow teams to draft an 18 year old BUT under the provision that player has to be on their roster the next season, no returning to junior ... this eliminates the majority of the 18 year olds drafted but allows a path for the mcdavids and mathews of the world to be drafted ...
not sure if this would be legal but it could be in the next cba, along with an annual compliance buyout with no caphit lol
 
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Marlies win their 1st pre season game 4-3.
Voit with a goal and assist. Kressler goal and 3 assists. Lisowsky with a goal. Peksa 22 saves

How'd Kressler look? I thought he was great in the rookie tourny, I feel like outside of his size, he is actually a good prospect.
 

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Mayes 2 assists. Probably going to stop watching as it is one sided for spokane. Needs better puck skills. Seems like a "safe" defenseman. I did not see much physicality and Seattle did not pressure much in the first. He likes to park himself in front of the net, but im not sure if this style translates to the nhl.

Assist for holinka. Crisp pass. Very meat and potatoes game for Holinka. Did not know he was physical. Will make diving defensive plays. Intriguing package. Looks big out there. Bottom six upside.
 
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aingefan

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If Lisowsky stays with the Marlies, maybe thats a line you see in the regular season. Has a bit everything. The playmaking of Voit. The finishing of Lisowsky, and the gritty style of Kressler. All work hard too
Mighty mites
Kressler might get slept on abit….he’s rounded out his game in junior.
Interesting that there are 4 RHD in that lineup.

I like the Cush graphic score card.
 
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How'd Kressler look? I thought he was great in the rookie tourny, I feel like outside of his size, he is actually a good prospect.
To make the NHL he would have to move to the wing I think. I am starting to pay attention to him. He keeps on surprising me.
 

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To make the NHL he would have to move to the wing I think. I am starting to pay attention to him. He keeps on surprising me.
Interesting player.
Small side, but fast and tenacious. Still 21.
Also interesting is Ty Voit. Small, crafty, creative. Also 21.
If you smushed these two together, you’d have a really intriguing guy, rather than two neat ones.
 

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