Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[aingefan]

This. And given the Leafs’ shallow D prospect pool, there is room for him in the system for opportunity

Assuming he signs, the Marlies D is mostly set for next year with interesting parallels. Mostly D-first profiles on the left with Rifai-Kokkonen and Webber, with puck-moving profiles on the right in Niemela and Villeneuve.
All profile with similar upside, so maybe they percolate and provide cheap third pair volume in the future.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think it’s just part of building out a well rounded development system with diverse player types and body types for different NHL jobs. Our previous manager often optimized for smaller skill bodies on D in the draft and developmental system. Yet we always needed that Colton Parayko. But never drafted one. Signed one. Traded for someone who could become one. So this is just part of the work that goes into it.

I like it. Diversity in the prospect system is important.

 

[Stephen]

I like it. Diversity in the prospect system is important.

Seems fairly self evident. Old regime spent a lot of energy looking for the next Torey Krug and Matt Grcelzyk. But you don’t need that many on the pro team and can’t have the improper mix of them. And you can’t forget the next Brandon Carlo either. That’s what this move looks like.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I would assume Schneider has been brought up like Luke Schenn to some degree. NHL team capitalizing on his mature physical frame at an early age and somewhat careless about skills development and slow progression path. No idea how he’ll turn out but yeah. At 21-22, plenty to work with.

Defensive defenseman usually take longer to develop. It is rare to see a defense first defenseman shine as a young player because they are judged solely on how they do on defense. Their mistakes are therefore compounded. They don't get the leeway offensive defensemen get because nothing else is expected of them.

For guys like Schenn and Schneider, their skillset and tools, moreso than two-way or offensive defensemen, rely heavily on knowledge and experience (e.g., of positioning, tendencies, situations). That's why Schenn seemed to become so much better a player when he was older. There was a calmness and steadiness to his game that he didn't have as a young player. It similar to the trajectory of other past defensive d-men whether that was Adam Foote or Luke Richardson.

 

[Stephen]

Defensive defenseman usually take longer to develop. It is rare to see a defense first defenseman shine as a young player because they are judged solely on how they do on defense. Their mistakes are therefore compounded. They don't get the leeway offensive defensemen get because nothing else is expected of them.

For guys like Schenn and Schneider, their skillset and tools, moreso than two-way or offensive defensemen, rely heavily on knowledge and experience (e.g., of positioning, tendencies, situations). That's why Schenn seemed to become so much better a player when he was older. There was a calmness and steadiness to his game that he didn't have as a young player. It similar to the trajectory of other past defensive d-men whether that was Adam Foote or Luke Richardson.

Yeah agreed. When Schenn was drafted I hated it. Asked why would you waste development time on the next Luke Richardson when you can get a ready made veteran version… in the 5 spot you kind of need impact players and they’re more often going to be a forward.

But the calculation with a Schenn then and a Schneider now is you might be able to develop them into a bit more than that stay at home type. Mix in a little two way action and you might get something more valuable. Particularly as RHD.

 

[Fogelhund]

Yeah agreed. When Schenn was drafted I hated it. Asked why would you waste development time on the next Luke Richardson when you can get a ready made veteran version… in the 5 spot you kind of need impact players and they’re more often going to be a forward.

But the calculation with a Schenn then and a Schneider now is you might be able to develop them into a bit more than that stay at home type. Mix in a little two way action and you might get something more valuable. Particularly as RHD.

I think Schneider has more offensive upside than Schenn ever did. Schneider is going to be a low 20 point guy once he gets going, Schenn is a early teens points guy. The key with Schneider, is to be good enough defensively, as well as getting the puck out on the first pass reliably.

Schenn just did not project having any offense from the beginning, and was picked way too soon. 28 points in 57 WHL games his draft year, should have been enough to see that there wasn't any offensive talent there.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Raging Bull]

Cowen out for London tonight. He's been wearing a full face shield for a while with a bad cut on his face, don't know if that's related.

 

[SprDaVE]

Cowen out for London tonight. He's been wearing a full face shield for a while with a bad cut on his face, don't know if that's related.

Probably related yeah

 

[darrylsittler27]

I wish we would just keep and play Robertson. His scoring ability and drive make him someone we should bet on. He’s got a chance at becoming a 30 goal scorer and if he falls short of that I think he’s still probably a solid depth scorer.

We will keep him. His value is a late 2nd. He is worth more to us than other teams.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I’m gonna catch as much of Weber as I can. I have an IPTV system and can watch college hockey whenever. Boston should be a good watch

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think Schneider has more offensive upside than Schenn ever did. Schneider is going to be a low 20 point guy once he gets going, Schenn is a early teens points guy. The key with Schneider, is to be good enough defensively, as well as getting the puck out on the first pass reliably.

Schenn just did not project having any offense from the beginning, and was picked way too soon. 28 points in 57 WHL games his draft year, should have been enough to see that there wasn't any offensive talent there.

I think if we were fortunate enough to somehow grab Schneider in the off-season if he becomes available via trade...I would just do what Schenn did....sooner.

Get him in with a guy like Oates to work on his puck skills, first pass etc.

 

[nuck]

Yeah agreed. When Schenn was drafted I hated it. Asked why would you waste development time on the next Luke Richardson when you can get a ready made veteran version… in the 5 spot you kind of need impact players and they’re more often going to be a forward.

But the calculation with a Schenn then and a Schneider now is you might be able to develop them into a bit more than that stay at home type. Mix in a little two way action and you might get something more valuable. Particularly as RHD.

I remember I REALLY wanted them to reach higher for Bogo or Pietrangelo. Bogosian back then before the broken leg and annual lower body injuries was not the pylon he became by the end of his time in Winnipeg. I think both those guys would have been attainable if you had the #5 pick as a basis. Mind you I also wanted Filatov more than Schenn so it could have been worse.

Luke could have worked out really good because he yielded JVR but then the Italian scallion own-rentalled a year too early. Otherwise the picks they might have got for JVR could have been helping them today. There was a ton of us that wanted him and Boz moved but I get why a 49 win club wouldn't do that since a 49 win club won the Cup that year. Luck o' the draw and curse of the Kadri of course.

I would like Schneider for the right price but I don't think the Leafs have the pieces to interest NY in such a deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

It's the VHL so hardly anything to be really excited about but this is pretty dominant.

 

[The Iceman]

What is everyone's projection
Akhtyamov
or
Hildeby
as the better future contributor to the Leafs?

I will go with Hildeby.

 

[hullsy47]

I’m gonna catch as much of Weber as I can. I have an IPTV system and can watch college hockey whenever. Boston should be a good watch

Looks like Craig Ludwig but he can skate

 

[I am Canadian]

What is everyone's projection
Akhtyamov
or
Hildeby
as the better future contributor to the Leafs?

I will go with Hildeby.

Based on height alone it has to be Hildeby. A 6ft goalie has to be pretty special to make it long term.

 

[stickty111]

No deadline deals by the Marlies.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Cowan extends to 33 games with an assist

 

[SprDaVE]

This pass from Cowan was absolutely filthy

 

[meefer]

This pass from Cowan was absolutely filthy

OMB that was pretty.

 

[shaner8989]

He’s now tied tied for the 5th longest streak in the past 25 years. Crazy

 

[stickty111]

I'd sign him. A project you take time with. If he hits, the reward is huge.

 

[613Leafer]

Hildeby seems to be sliding the last month or so after a really hot start.

Part of it could be the work load - most of the last ~5 seasons he's played ~20-25 games, and this year he's already played 31 (so will probably hit close to 40 by the end of the season).