Mark Stone: People want to see the Golden Knights crash and burn

[Voight]

Which Knights player goes on LTIR in February?
We should place bets.

Ask Jeff Marek

I only currently dislike Vegas for whining about Dadnov's no-trade clause almost two years after it occurred even though
A. They weren't negatively affected by it at all(they even won a bloody Cup the year after).
B. Ottawa was already cleared initially.

I dont blame them. Adding Kepler would've given them 6.75 million to play with.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Which Knights player goes on LTIR in February?
We should place bets.

$100 on Mark Stone please.

 

[eojsmada]

First couple of years...super easy to cheer for. But the way they treated Fleury along with the LTIR-loophole nonsense, I'm just not a fan. And I'm not even a MAF fan. But the complete and utter disrespect of a beloved player to that fanbase was just too much.

 

[Nico Hischier]

On top of the ltir shenanigans, I think most fans don’t like how they easily acquire and discard star players. I mean they were able to get a 1C and 1D in eichel and petro pretty easy and now they got hertl to replace Stephenson. Some teams can go a decade without having a true 1C or 1D. Maybe some of the hate is from jealous loyal fans of other teams and seeing Vegas have immediate success and be labeled a contender every year.

 

[Mr Positive]

$100 on Mark Stone please.

They will have a team meeting where they will decide that it can't be Mark this time because everyone is catching on so they will have to pick someone else with a big cap hit. I say Pietrangelo. He's getting older and could use a rest before the playoffs

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I don't think fans had any problems with the Golden Knights until they started using the LTIR loophole the last few seasons and won a Cup.

Nah, many were extremely butthurt that VGK “didn’t pay their dues” when they made the finals in their first year. Typically these are fans of less successful franchises.

Often you’ll see those same people claim that Vegas was handed a great team by virtue of the expansion rules.

Both of these complaints are sour grapes and those people shouldn’t be taken seriously. The LTIR hate is 100% deserved though.

 

[Spargon]

 

[coooldude]

I think the LTIR stuff is dumb as a league problem that should just get addressed with the next CBA, but I don't fault VGK management for it. Nor do I fault them for being ruthless... sure, they mistreat players at times but what do I really care? It's worked for them so far.

My dislike of VGK is because we actually had a rivalry when the Sharks didn't suck, and they were a formidable rival. The problem (versus other rivals of the past like, say DET or LAK or CHI) is their expansion draft, but more than that, the fanbase entitlement. Also I just generally don't like the city. And then Stone is a pretty good villain, like other classic villains on other teams that people love to hate.

Fans of every fanbase can be / are insufferable at times (every sport, every city) but franchises that get gifted good teams and early success are just distasteful. Sour grapes as a Sharks fan? Absolutely. Yes, that applies to COL as well so the VGK-COL in the 90's parallel is apt. COL has gone through a decade of pain though now, so I think their fanbase has come around and I don't fault them for being excited about their success.

I'll probably feel the same about VGK once they go through an inevitable downcycle... the fans that make it through that will be alright with me (except the insufferable ones).

LOL at the edgelords who, as fully grown adults, use words like "butthurt" to describe people who don't like a franchise, and decide to be counterculture and like VGK just because of some strawman enemy that "needs to grow up" ... look in the mirror broseph. The self awareness is low.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Maybe you shouldn't toss around the term "psychotic" so loosely. It has an actual meaning, and it's not great to just willy-nilly accuse people of having psychotic traits.

It’s okay, i took a psych 101 class. I can basically diagnose anyone really.

I think the LTIR stuff is dumb as a league problem that should just get addressed with the next CBA, but I don't fault VGK management for it. Nor do I fault them for being ruthless... sure, they mistreat players at times but what do I really care? It's worked for them so far.

My dislike of VGK is because we actually had a rivalry when the Sharks didn't suck, and they were a formidable rival. The problem (versus other rivals of the past like, say DET or LAK or CHI) is their expansion draft, but more than that, the fanbase entitlement. Also I just generally don't like the city. And then Stone is a pretty good villain, like other classic villains on other teams that people love to hate.

Fans of every fanbase can be / are insufferable at times (every sport, every city) but franchises that get gifted good teams and early success are just distasteful. Sour grapes as a Sharks fan? Absolutely. Yes, that applies to COL as well so the VGK-COL in the 90's parallel is apt. COL has gone through a decade of pain though now, so I think their fanbase has come around and I don't fault them for being excited about their success.

I'll probably feel the same about VGK once they go through an inevitable downcycle... the fans that make it through that will be alright with me (except the insufferable ones).

LOL at the edgelords who, as fully grown adults, use words like "butthurt" to describe people who don't like a franchise, and decide to be counterculture and like VGK just because of some strawman enemy that "needs to grow up" ... look in the mirror broseph. The self awareness is low.

It’ll work for them until it doesn’t. The management is using players and the players are using the situation to win.


When they are last place and rebuilding, they wont find anyone wanting to come play for them though.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Nah, many were extremely butthurt that VGK “didn’t pay their dues” when they made the finals in their first year. Typically these are fans of less successful franchises.

Often you’ll see those same people claim that Vegas was handed a great team by virtue of the expansion rules.

Both of these complaints are sour grapes and those people shouldn’t be taken seriously. The LTIR hate is 100% deserved though.

That’s not true at all, thought at the time ws Vegas team was bad and poorly drafted, and most fans were happy they came together, especially with the Vegas shooting that happened before the season and many fans were happy they made the finals their first year.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I was firmly on the Vegas bandwagon and loved their black-hat identity, up until they started the blatant IR fraud. It’s really hard to be happy for a team that succeeds while doing stuff like that.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Brad Marchand: "Here you go Mark, passing the "Most Annoying Person in the NHL" torch to you is my honour."

 

[Commander Clueless]

Well they've had nothing but success since their first season. A truly bad Vegas team might be a nice change of pace.

 

[LokiDog]

I think it’s a combo of several things. One they’ve never faced adversity and some fans are in like year 40 waiting for a Cup. Two, they’ve bent the rules recently to be competitive. We know it’s technically within the rules and blah blah more power to them, but it still rubs people the wrong way. Three, they’re not that likeable of a group of players. Four, Vegas isn’t a market people are going to respect being that it’s largely tourists and shit. Five, the way they’ve brought players in and shipped them out with zero loyalty or respect, alla MAF doesn’t sit right with some. Six, the whole franchise just has an annoying vibe, personally.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Team I hate the most in the west, on equal footing with Winnipeg

 

[Help]

Yes.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

F*** Mark Stone and his spleen.

Don't cheat and people wont root against you.

How many times does this smooth brained take need to be regurgitated?

Nothing VGK has done is prohibited by the CBA.

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

Yes yes we do please burn baby burn !!

burn the mutha down

 

[Voight]

I have zero issue with the LTIR stuff. They are playing by the rules.

Not to mention, I get the looks of it the last few years are fishy but there really isn't a solution. & yea Dtone being healthy for Game 1 but not Game 82 is suspect as hell, but if the team doctors dont clear him for game 82, there isn't much he can do. Another doctor may say hes good to go for game 75, another may say game 4 of the first round.

 

[HockeyFan100]

I honestly forgot they even won the cup in 2023

 

[LokiDog]

How many times does this smooth brained take need to be regurgitated?

Nothing VGK has done is prohibited by the CBA.

I don’t think people care. It doesn’t have to be “illegal” for people to be opposed to it. Obviously the majority didn’t like it and probably wouldn’t mind if it were to become illegal. Not that smooth brained of a concept to understand that people’s feelings aren’t dictated by what is/isn’t law.

 

[luiginb]

Mark Kidney Stone is right

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Nah, many were extremely butthurt that VGK “didn’t pay their dues” when they made the finals in their first year. Typically these are fans of less successful franchises.

Often you’ll see those same people claim that Vegas was handed a great team by virtue of the expansion rules.

Both of these complaints are sour grapes and those people shouldn’t be taken seriously. The LTIR hate is 100% deserved though.

That’s not true at all, thought at the time ws Vegas team was bad and poorly drafted, and most fans were happy they came together, especially with the Vegas shooting that happened before the season and many fans were happy they made the finals their first year.

Our posts aren’t mutually exclusive.

“Many” = an indefinite large quantity.

Never said it was a majority. I agree that lots of people were rooting for them. Just pointing out that there was a sizable contingent who resented their success, way before any of their LTIR shenanigans.

 

[PaulD]

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Definite contenders.
Knights not on my list of villain teams.
But I know lost don't like them.
Envy I think.
Team walks into the NHL and go on a winning streak then straight to the Cup finals.
Ha! Proving to all the micro managing teams that it ain't rocket science.
Would be great to see a Knights Panthers rematch in the finals.

Our posts aren’t mutually exclusive.

“Many” = an indefinite large quantity.

Never said it was a majority. I agree that lots of people were rooting for them. Just pointing out that there was a sizable contingent who resented their success, way before any of their LTIR shenanigans.

pure envy

 

[SK13]

How many times does this smooth brained take need to be regurgitated?

Nothing VGK has done is prohibited by the CBA.

No, it's not really "cheating" in the Houston Astros sense.

But a team with like three massive inherent advantages exploiting a massive gaping CBA hole still merits criticism and disdain.

That's how we get the problem addressed in the future.