Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[surixon]

Just a guess on my part, but IMO I think that what appeared to be buy in the first half of the season by Chef, was being able to play the way he wanted to because Bowness was concentrating on the defense first. And then half way thru the season, the forwards were asked to play the way Bones wants , which is not the way Chef wants... hence the massive drop off in Chef's game.

That is 100% my feeling on this as well. We saw way more offensive rotations, switches, d activation, and layered attacks the first half of the year. That has completely evaporated from our game.

Bones should have let the top 6 continue what they were doing as the they were better defensively while being dangerous offensively. Most importantly it lead to every player in the top 6 massively outscoring their opposition.

This is where his "Every line should look the same" Schtick is incredibly problematic. Not every line is designed to play a grinding game like Lowry's but he insists they do so anyways.

So yeah there was defensive and work effort buy in when they still had some creative freedom. Once that went away the push back started.

Massive blunder by Chevy to bring in yet another coach that would sacrifice the teams strengths to address its weaknesses.

 

[Orrrules]

55 and 26 and crabapple 4th line, problems solved.

 

[Fatdrunk]

 

[roccerfeller]

Just a guess on my part, but IMO I think that what appeared to be buy in the first half of the season by Chef, was being able to play the way he wanted to because Bowness was concentrating on the defense first. And then half way thru the season, the forwards were asked to play the way Bones wants , which is not the way Chef wants... hence the massive drop off in Chef's game.

(not directed at you but generally speaking based of your observation):

If true then why’s everyone so mad at 55

I saw his post game comments. Reading Reddit and other places you’d think he’s a toxic person who needs to go asap. I saw someone who’s game has gone cold, searching for answers and gave an opinion on what works for him. I didn’t see a guy who oozed toxicity.

My thoughts were someone somewhere slandered his name on some message board and frustrated fans have taken to this narrative and fed into it with each mounting loss

Plus If that’s how he was playing when we were winning, well maybe he’s right and Bones is wrong. Some have commented that we’ve moved away from what worked. Is that not on coaching then? We were a top team in the west at that time.

Sure 55 is not playing the way we’ve seen in the past but he admitted as much post game that his job is to score and he’s not been successful in that job

I am as upset with the team’s performance as anyone but there is a developing message board and twitter narrative which is turning into a slanderous pot of shitty gossip. I’m sure It’s out of frustration, sure, but yeesh people making things up out of thin air left right and centre. Who knows what’s going on behind closed doors. This doesn’t sound like a group has that quit on each other. It sounds like a group that knows they’ve slipped out of the race, continue to slip away, has no idea why and no answers as to why but is trying to stay positive in the room and lean on one another

If we go on a 5 game win streak at home (not holding my breath) does this narrative on 55 suddenly change? Or is he still a bundle of “toxic drama” that needs to be catapulted from the dressing room?

 

[Royale With Cheese]

If we go on a 5 game win streak at home (not holding my breath) does this narrative on 55 suddenly change? Or is he still a bundle of “toxic drama” that needs to be catapulted from the dressing room?

If he's pulling his weight in the 5 game win streak, people will relax a bit for sure. If nothing else, we're a fickle bunch.

 

[DRW204]

well bowness needs to realize the first half of the season this team was an 8th place by pts%. since jan 1 2023 - 24th

Just a guess on my part, but IMO I think that what appeared to be buy in the first half of the season by Chef, was being able to play the way he wanted to because Bowness was concentrating on the defense first. And then half way thru the season, the forwards were asked to play the way Bones wants , which is not the way Chef wants... hence the massive drop off in Chef's game.

 

[surixon]

(not directed at you but generally speaking based of your observation):

If true then why’s everyone so mad at 55

I saw his post game comments. Reading Reddit and other places you’d think he’s a toxic person who needs to go asap. I saw someone who’s game has gone cold, searching for answers and gave an opinion on what works for him. I didn’t see a guy who oozed toxicity.

My thoughts were someone somewhere slandered his name on some message board and frustrated fans have taken to this narrative and fed into it with each mounting loss

Plus If that’s how he was playing when we were winning, well maybe he’s right and Bones is wrong. Some have commented that we’ve moved away from what worked. Is that not on coaching then? We were a top team in the west at that time.

Sure 55 is not playing the way we’ve seen in the past but he admitted as much post game that his job is to score and he’s not been successful in that job

I am as upset with the team’s performance as anyone but there is a developing message board and twitter narrative which is turning into a slanderous pot of shitty gossip. I’m sure It’s out of frustration, sure, but yeesh people making things up out of thin air left right and centre. Who knows what’s going on behind closed doors. This doesn’t sound like a group has that quit on each other. It sounds like a group that knows they’ve slipped out of the race, continue to slip away, has no idea why and no answers as to why but is trying to stay positive in the room and lean on one another

If we go on a 5 game win streak at home (not holding my breath) does this narrative on 55 suddenly change? Or is he still a bundle of “toxic drama” that needs to be catapulted from the dressing room?

Good post. I went back and listened again and yeah he's not happy with not scoring and contributing. His answer though was in complete contrast to what the coach was preaching the other day when asked about Scheifele. So there is a disconnect between the two. You also saw Bones's reaction when asked about Scheifele's view point and didn't want to get into it.

For the record I think Mark is right about the offense but it's not a good look for a top player and head coach to be sparring with each other in the media.

 

[BoneDocUK]

(not directed at you but generally speaking based of your observation):

If true then why’s everyone so mad at 55

I saw his post game comments. Reading Reddit and other places you’d think he’s a toxic person who needs to go asap. I saw someone who’s game has gone cold, searching for answers and gave an opinion on what works for him. I didn’t see a guy who oozed toxicity.

My thoughts were someone somewhere slandered his name on some message board and frustrated fans have taken to this narrative and fed into it with each mounting loss

Plus If that’s how he was playing when we were winning, well maybe he’s right and Bones is wrong. Some have commented that we’ve moved away from what worked. Is that not on coaching then? We were a top team in the west at that time.

Sure 55 is not playing the way we’ve seen in the past but he admitted as much post game that his job is to score and he’s not been successful in that job

I am as upset with the team’s performance as anyone but there is a developing message board and twitter narrative which is turning into a slanderous pot of shitty gossip. I’m sure It’s out of frustration, sure, but yeesh people making things up out of thin air left right and centre. Who knows what’s going on behind closed doors. This doesn’t sound like a group has that quit on each other. It sounds like a group that knows they’ve slipped out of the race, continue to slip away, has no idea why and no answers as to why but is trying to stay positive in the room and lean on one another

If we go on a 5 game win streak at home (not holding my breath) does this narrative on 55 suddenly change? Or is he still a bundle of “toxic drama” that needs to be catapulted from the dressing room?

Good post.

The team isn't scoring 5v5.

The PP has gone stone froid.

Perplexing roster and lineup decisions (what else is new in Jetsland?)

Stubborn refusal to reunite some lines that have had success.

No link-up between D and F, very little creativity off the rush.

Gaps all over the ice.

Team in disarray.

Are we watching and enduring a failure of coaching, of players, or some combo of both?

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Maybe the season went off the rails simply from PLD saying we got humiliated in Montreal... and scheifele insisted that they were only embarassed.

Some wounds never heal.

 

[rkp]

You have to trade 55.......

 

[Cnile]

(not directed at you but generally speaking based of your observation):

If true then why’s everyone so mad at 55

I saw his post game comments. Reading Reddit and other places you’d think he’s a toxic person who needs to go asap. I saw someone who’s game has gone cold, searching for answers and gave an opinion on what works for him. I didn’t see a guy who oozed toxicity.

My thoughts were someone somewhere slandered his name on some message board and frustrated fans have taken to this narrative and fed into it with each mounting loss

Plus If that’s how he was playing when we were winning, well maybe he’s right and Bones is wrong. Some have commented that we’ve moved away from what worked. Is that not on coaching then? We were a top team in the west at that time.

Sure 55 is not playing the way we’ve seen in the past but he admitted as much post game that his job is to score and he’s not been successful in that job

I am as upset with the team’s performance as anyone but there is a developing message board and twitter narrative which is turning into a slanderous pot of shitty gossip. I’m sure It’s out of frustration, sure, but yeesh people making things up out of thin air left right and centre. Who knows what’s going on behind closed doors. This doesn’t sound like a group has that quit on each other. It sounds like a group that knows they’ve slipped out of the race, continue to slip away, has no idea why and no answers as to why but is trying to stay positive in the room and lean on one another

If we go on a 5 game win streak at home (not holding my breath) does this narrative on 55 suddenly change? Or is he still a bundle of “toxic drama” that needs to be catapulted from the dressing room?

Yea the personal stuff is not right.
This relationship needs a change for both parties.
Rightly or not the perception of 55 has been formed in people’s minds from his sometimes less than stellar defensive performances and especially by last season’s exit interview.
I really wonder how Dale would have interpreted this situation.

 

[Teppo Numenor]

Maybe the season went off the rails simply from PLD saying we got humiliated in Montreal... and scheifele insisted that they were only embarassed.

Some wounds never heal.

But seriously, anytime the media drags up the pld story the team seems to skid. I can see it being a distraction and de-motivating. You are trying to build something with your group and east coast media keeps on bringing up a story which hasn’t moved in 8 months

 

[tbcwpg]

(not directed at you but generally speaking based of your observation):

If true then why’s everyone so mad at 55

I saw his post game comments. Reading Reddit and other places you’d think he’s a toxic person who needs to go asap. I saw someone who’s game has gone cold, searching for answers and gave an opinion on what works for him. I didn’t see a guy who oozed toxicity.

My thoughts were someone somewhere slandered his name on some message board and frustrated fans have taken to this narrative and fed into it with each mounting loss

Plus If that’s how he was playing when we were winning, well maybe he’s right and Bones is wrong. Some have commented that we’ve moved away from what worked. Is that not on coaching then? We were a top team in the west at that time.

Sure 55 is not playing the way we’ve seen in the past but he admitted as much post game that his job is to score and he’s not been successful in that job

I am as upset with the team’s performance as anyone but there is a developing message board and twitter narrative which is turning into a slanderous pot of shitty gossip. I’m sure It’s out of frustration, sure, but yeesh people making things up out of thin air left right and centre. Who knows what’s going on behind closed doors. This doesn’t sound like a group has that quit on each other. It sounds like a group that knows they’ve slipped out of the race, continue to slip away, has no idea why and no answers as to why but is trying to stay positive in the room and lean on one another

If we go on a 5 game win streak at home (not holding my breath) does this narrative on 55 suddenly change? Or is he still a bundle of “toxic drama” that needs to be catapulted from the dressing room?

The issue with Scheifele isn't necessarily if he's right or wrong about what style of offence works for him. It has been the style that has worked very well for him in the past and the start of this season. He had a bit of puck luck I think but he's a consistent scorer and should get 40 this year. Is he clashing with Bowness about it? Probably, yeah.

The issue with Scheifele here is that this is the 3rd coach in 2 years that he's seemingly decided that "You know what, I know better, so I'm just gonna do my own thing". He's not on the same page as his coach, and presumably not on the same page as many of his teammates if they're listening to what Bowness is preaching and Scheifele is doing the opposite. Now yesterday he's publicly contradicted his coach, even though I don't believe he intended to do that and was just answering Murat's question honestly.

It's the putting himself over the team, the "I know better" attitude that's rubbing people the wrong way. How many coaches does this guy get before we can start to say he's got an attitude issue? I don't buy into the personal stuff or the gossip about what happened between what teammate.

Will the narrative around him change if the team goes on a run that he spearheads? Probably, but that would be because he would have had to change his mindset and start pulling on the same rope as his teammates and coach.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

The issue with Scheifele isn't necessarily if he's right or wrong about what style of offence works for him. It has been the style that has worked very well for him in the past and the start of this season. He had a bit of puck luck I think but he's a consistent scorer and should get 40 this year. Is he clashing with Bowness about it? Probably, yeah.

The issue with Scheifele here is that this is the 3rd coach in 2 years that he's seemingly decided that "You know what, I know better, so I'm just gonna do my own thing". He's not on the same page as his coach, and presumably not on the same page as many of his teammates if they're listening to what Bowness is preaching and Scheifele is doing the opposite. Now yesterday he's publicly contradicted his coach, even though I don't believe he intended to do that and was just answering Murat's question honestly.

It's the putting himself over the team, the "I know better" attitude that's rubbing people the wrong way. How many coaches does this guy get before we can start to say he's got an attitude issue? I don't buy into the personal stuff or the gossip about what happened between what teammate.

Will the narrative around him change if the team goes on a run that he spearheads? Probably, but that would be because he would have had to change his mindset and start pulling on the same rope as his teammates and coach.

Seven.

 

[surixon]

The issue with Scheifele isn't necessarily if he's right or wrong about what style of offence works for him. It has been the style that has worked very well for him in the past and the start of this season. He had a bit of puck luck I think but he's a consistent scorer and should get 40 this year. Is he clashing with Bowness about it? Probably, yeah.

The issue with Scheifele here is that this is the 3rd coach in 2 years that he's seemingly decided that "You know what, I know better, so I'm just gonna do my own thing". He's not on the same page as his coach, and presumably not on the same page as many of his teammates if they're listening to what Bowness is preaching and Scheifele is doing the opposite. Now yesterday he's publicly contradicted his coach, even though I don't believe he intended to do that and was just answering Murat's question honestly.

It's the putting himself over the team, the "I know better" attitude that's rubbing people the wrong way. How many coaches does this guy get before we can start to say he's got an attitude issue? I don't buy into the personal stuff or the gossip about what happened between what teammate.

Will the narrative around him change if the team goes on a run that he spearheads? Probably, but that would be because he would have had to change his mindset and start pulling on the same rope as his teammates and coach.

Yup, you can be correct but still be creating issues and a divide in the room.

At the end of the day Rick is the coach and you should do as he says for the betterment of the team.

I say this as someone who thinks Mark is 100% correct in his assessment of what works best for him and many top 6 talent. The first Sharks goal was exhibit A of that. Their player held the puck below the net and waited for a hole to open up before setting up a grade A slot chance goal. I think Rick is out to lunch on his one size fits all approach but you can't have a public mutiny when your fighting for a playoff spot.

If the team fails playing the scheme the coach wants then the emphasis will be squarely on the coach and his scheme. But Mark is making it about a dysfunctional room again.

 

[jokesondee]

The more i think about Scheifele, the more i get f'ing angry. You cant be bothered to give a shit about your team mates, city, and organization, who drafted you earlier than expected and gave you every chance to succeed. They brought you along slowly when you weren't yet ready, and helped you morph into a star. Atleast give it your all on the ice and quietly ask behind closed doors to be moved in the offseason. Dale Hawerchuk would be ashamed of you. F this guy already. F'ing quitter. Bench his ass for the rest of the season.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Apologies if already posted

Jets' Scheifele Has Quietly Quit on His Team; Trade Request Coming? - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Mark Scheifele has "quiet quit" on the Jets, playing with little drive, effort, or enthusiasm. His time with the team may be nearing an end.

thehockeywriters.com

 

[Zippity]

Byfuglien answered several consecutive questions with the phrase, “If we stick together as a team we’ll be all right.”

Byfuglien answered several consecutive questions with the phrase, “If we stick together as a team we’ll be all right.”

 

[Robert Marvin]

Apologies if already posted

Jets' Scheifele Has Quietly Quit on His Team; Trade Request Coming? - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Mark Scheifele has "quiet quit" on the Jets, playing with little drive, effort, or enthusiasm. His time with the team may be nearing an end.

thehockeywriters.com

From top of the conference to this, wth happened, put him in the press box.

 

[Fatdrunk]

I am no longer feel entertained, especially when a player of Mark Scheifele caliber is no longer even trying and just phoning it in. Does he not know If he wants out of Winnipeg, you have to try your best in order to impress any other team that may be interested in you or is he that stupid. if this was a private industry, he would of been fired by now based on his job performance alone. Maybe he doesn't want to be traded, for he has it too good here in Winnipeg, because he was protected by upper management for way too long. I would not be surprise that at one point he was offered the "C" before the media and the fanbase started the clamored around Morrissey instead.

If True North does nothing this summer about this core, a lot of fans are not going to renew their season tickets and the attendance could drop to about 8-10 thousand on average within two years and I don't think the people of Manitoba will to fond of True North coming to the government for handouts, not this time. It simply comes down to the Core changes or Chevy is fired because I'm afraid if we lose this franchise, their may never be another one, ever.

 

[cbcwpg]

I am no longer feel entertained, especially when a player of Mark Scheifele caliber is no longer even trying and just phoning it in. Does he not know If he wants out of Winnipeg, you have to try your best in order to impress any other team that may be interested in you or is he that stupid. if this was a private industry, he would of been fired by now based on his job performance alone. Maybe he doesn't want to be traded, for he has it too good here in Winnipeg, because he was protected by upper management for way too long. I would not be surprise that at one point he was offered the "C" before the media and the fanbase started the clamored around Morrissey instead.

If True North does nothing this summer about this core, a lot of fans are not going to renew their season tickets and the attendance could drop to about 8-10 thousand on average within two years and I don't think the people of Manitoba will to fond of True North coming to the government for handouts, not this time. It simply comes down to the Core changes or Chevy is fired because I'm afraid if we lose this franchise, their may never be another one, ever.

That's why they make you renew your season tickets in the spring, so you have to decide to stay on or not, before you get to see how bad the summer might be.

 

[10Ducky10]

Bowness goes with the superline to spark the team.
I think it's a good move.

 

[gojetsgo]

Bowness goes with the superline to spark the team.
I think it's a good move.

a better move would be dropping wheeler out of the top 6 instead of nino/ehlers

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Bowness goes with the superline to spark the team.
I think it's a good move.

Superline - well depends if Scheif decides to actually show up, or if he continues to float around like an entitled brat because the coach wants him to actually do something for the team and for his $6M.

 

[voyageur]

a better move would be dropping wheeler out of the top 6 instead of nino/ehlers

27-7-26 were actually working though with Dubois out of the lineup.

At some point you have to go with something that works.

Niedrreiter has not been much of a revelation to me...He's a step behind in most of the board battles. Nashville doesn't seem to miss him. If anything he was brought in to be a net front presence on the PP, a spot Dubois had, but doesn't seem to be willing to play as much now. And if he is gone next year, at least there is that mold of player with the rest of potential PP play guys like Connor, Ehlers, Perfetti etc not being very tough in front of the net.

But in terms of what he brings, I'm not sure the Jets wouldn't be better off with Barron on that checking line...and someone else down on the 4th line, but the vets here are exempt from that kind of demotion.