Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[nobody imp0rtant]

Don't think it would be hard to trade Scheifele at what he's making and Scheifele is still a player i think lots of teams would want.

Maybe, but at what price? Can't see another GM offering an arm and a leg for a dick.

 

[Jets4Life]

How are you supposed to sign your Vezina winning goalie who has said he only wants to be here if they’re trying to win, if they also trade their 1C….??

How on earth do you know in what context the Hellebuyck quote was made? Remember Ladd? The Jets gained $6 million cap space for a 30 year old guy who was past his prime. Scheifele has not played like the star he was in 2018. Just like Ladd, it could be a case where the Jets ultimately benefit.

This is how short sighted some of the fan base is, regarding the situation. We have to free up cap space to sign Helle, and attempt to sign PLD. How are we going to do that without giving up on anyone? We could dump Wheeler, and his $8.25 milliion/year contract in his final year, but teams would only do so, if we gave away a decent player and a draft pick.

Does anyone have a BETTER idea on how to keep Helle?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

It's almost like some of the forum members want Hellebuyck gone.

Wouldn't bother me. His personality just puts me right off. And of course, it would benefit the tank. I know a lot of people look at tanking as something to be endured to achieve a desirable destination, but for me? It's all about just enjoying the journey.

Wheeeee!!!!

 

[MelikeJets]

I personally think it's time to move on from Scheifele. The Jets still can get a big return for him, as he is still seen as a #1C. He just turned 31, and the time to move him is now. Concentrate on signing Hellebuyck and PLD.

Time trade him was after his season ending interview last year. I was certain he was gone after that.

 

[ps241]

Not sure what Mark’s fait will be. I would suggest if he wants to pull out of the full nose dive he is in tonight would be the night to get off the Schneid

 

[Jets4Life]

Time trade him was after his season ending interview last year. I was certain he was gone after that.

I was certain too, but it does not change that much. He still is on a bargain contract and is only 30.

Teams will still field offers for Scheif. Like Ladd and Kane, it could be "addition by subtraction" if the rumours about Scheifele being divisive in the locker room are true.

 

[Weezeric]

How on earth do you know in what context the Hellebuyck quote was made? Remember Ladd? The Jets gained $6 million cap space for a 30 year old guy who was past his prime. Scheifele has not played like the star he was in 2018. Just like Ladd, it could be a case where the Jets ultimately benefit.

This is how short sighted some of the fan base is, regarding the situation. We have to free up cap space to sign Helle, and attempt to sign PLD. How are we going to do that without giving up on anyone? We could dump Wheeler, and his $8.25 milliion/year contract in his final year, but teams would only do so, if we gave away a decent player and a draft pick.

Does anyone have a BETTER idea on how to keep Helle?

Well sure, if you can sign PLD, go ahead and trade Scheifele. If both are gone, who in the organization will be your 1C and 2C?

 

[Grannyjetfan]

What I don't understand is why Schiefele is playing poorly close to the playoffs when other teams can see his attitude and his lack of drive? I know I wouldn't want a player showing this display on my team.

 

[Gm0ney]

Wouldn't bother me. His personality just puts me right off. And of course, it would benefit the tank. I know a lot of people look at tanking as something to be endured to achieve a desirable destination, but for me? It's all about just enjoying the journey.

Wheeeee!!!!

If Hellebuyck goes, I wonder how long it will take for the Jets to find a competent starter? He's the only one they've unearthed in 12 seasons. Can't say they've even drafted a reliable backup over that stretch. Who's their best signing? Brossoit?

 

[Jets4Life]

Well sure, if you can sign PLD, go ahead and trade Scheifele. If both are gone, who in the organization will be your 1C and 2C?

A better question may be that if we lose Hellebuyck, who will replace him.

Theoretically we could sign PLD to a one year contract and hope to get a young prospect Centre, while giving Perfetti time to blossom into a #1 Centre by age 22.

 

[tbcwpg]

Who knows -
Maybe he doesn't understand that benching is bad and usually means the coach is looking for a little more of this, or a little less of that.
You'd also have to assume the coach has had a discussion with the player before resorting to benching.
You'd have to have been coddled into a coma if you don't understand how to react to a benching -

Or maybe I'm looking at this too simplistically.

From what I've read in other stories etc, the coach doesn't do a lot of addressing the team in the intermission. I don't think Bowness would've said "one more bad shift and you're benched", especially given that he benched the entire line and not just Scheifele, indicating he wasn't happy with the performance of all 3 players.

To be clear here, I don't believe, and I don't think Reynolds believes, that Scheifele is taking this as "I'm too good to be benched". Maybe he is, but I don't think so. I think he doesn't respond to that type of motivation and instead gets in his head about it - I'm sure we all know someone who withdraws when criticized instead of saying they're going to go prove them wrong.

Far be it from me to suggest that 55 is too Dim to see the problem, but perhaps Bones needs to try a less subtle approach to getting his message across.

As above, I don't believe it's not being smart enough to understand why they were benched but the response to it.

A better question may be that if we lose Hellebuyck, who will replace him.

Theoretically we could sign PLD to a one year contract and hope to get a young prospect Centre, while giving Perfetti time to blossom into a #1 Centre by age 22.

Increasingly in the NHL you don't need an elite goaltender to win, you just need someone competent enough, as long as you play the right way in front of him. Kuemper isn't a world beater, Colorado was just too good. Unfortunately the Jets don't play the right way in front of Hellebuyck so they need him.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Trading a PPG centre on a 6m contract is not hard... I doubt Chevy has really shopped Scheif.

He is their first pick and the face of the franchise - more likely they have given him chance after chance after chance.

 

[Jet]

From what I've read in other stories etc, the coach doesn't do a lot of addressing the team in the intermission. I don't think Bowness would've said "one more bad shift and you're benched", especially given that he benched the entire line and not just Scheifele, indicating he wasn't happy with the performance of all 3 players.

To be clear here, I don't believe, and I don't think Reynolds believes, that Scheifele is taking this as "I'm too good to be benched". Maybe he is, but I don't think so. I think he doesn't respond to that type of motivation and instead gets in his head about it - I'm sure we all know someone who withdraws when criticized instead of saying they're going to go prove them wrong.



As above, I don't believe it's not being smart enough to understand why they were benched but the response to it.



Increasingly in the NHL you don't need an elite goaltender to win, you just need someone competent enough, as long as you play the right way in front of him. Kuemper isn't a world beater, Colorado was just too good. Unfortunately the Jets don't play the right way in front of Hellebuyck so they need him.

The problem is you can't have a one method fits all. Colorado was soaked in talent in all areas. Even if they didn't always play 'the right way', their elite talent all over the ice led them to the cup.

Then you see a team like the Bruins. Talented, yes, but I don't look at that roster and see a team that is just loaded. They are playing systems to an absolute T, and have had great goaltending.

Unfortunately in the Jets case, they aren't uber talented, nor are they playing the system to a T. For us, our playoff success is going to firmly rest on Hellebuycks shoulders.

Theres more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[Zippity]

Trading a PPG centre on a 6m contract is not hard... I doubt Chevy has really shopped Scheif.

He is their first pick and the face of the franchise - more likely they have given him chance after chance after chance.

No team wanted to give up a top line center with his reputation last summer and no movement clauses otherwise Chevy would have done it

 

[DRW204]

If Hellebuyck goes, I wonder how long it will take for the Jets to find a competent starter? He's the only one they've unearthed in 12 seasons. Can't say they've even drafted a reliable backup over that stretch. Who's their best signing? Brossoit?

Their sv% outside of Helle is 0.900 since 2011. And Helle obviously with a career 0.916

Mason has some good years but just had an awful start here in 2017. After his first couple games where his sv% ranked (iirc they were both 5+ goals) he showed some competency.

 

[tbcwpg]

No team wanted to give up a top line center with his reputation last summer and no movement clauses otherwise Chevy would have done it

You're kind of shifting your argument here from "no one wanted him" to "no one wanted to give up a top line centre for him", which are two wildly different arguments. Teams don't just trade their top line Cs for each other just for the hell of it.

 

[sipowicz]

Wasn't it PRO BS'er Maurice who said one day there would be a statue of Schief outside the arena, well sure, okay there Paul, keep shoveling!

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Wasn't it PRO BS'er Maurice who said one day there would be a statue of Schief outside the arena, well sure, okay there Paul, keep shoveling!

He meant out back, beside the dumpster.

 

[cbcwpg]

Wasn't it PRO BS'er Maurice who said one day there would be a statue of Schief outside the arena, well sure, okay there Paul, keep shoveling!

I'm sure if the Jets offered Chef to Florida, Maurice would do all he could to convince their GM to make the trade, and give the Jets whatever they want.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I'm sure if the Jets offered Chef to Florida, Maurice would do all he could to convince their GM to make the trade, and give the Jets whatever they want.

Can't see Scheif out-racing Wheeler to that wall he keeps running through to get to PoMo's Florida franchise, but he'd make a heckuva distributor for Chucky.

I think we'd get plenty of calls on 55.

And hopefully some quality coming back.

 

[slurpee addict]

I think anyone who's watched the Jets in the past 8 years know that Scheifele has tons of talent, and there is no question he could easily be moved to another team. I think the failure to move him is directly related to the crap attitude displayed by Scheifele in the past 3-4 years. He doesn't consistently work hard or display leadership qualities that would make his talent and salary overwhelmingly attractive to another team. On the contrary, players aren't a mystery to other teams. They can see what's going on, and have probably offered less for him that Wpg is willing to take in return. And that's why he may still be here. Other teams aren't going to be seduced by his talent. Talent alone doesn't make a player appealing. they have to fit and they have to bring their A game to the arena more than Scheifele does.

Anyone who's coached a lot knows that talent without work leads to losing teams or teams that under-perform. Teams that work hard with lesser talent usually out perform more talented teams. It's just a fact. We need to get rid of him. He's like a three year old who wouldn't share and was never corrected. I do not expect a 30 year old man to change something that was instilled into him over the past 10 years - PoMo - I'm looking at you as a prime culprit. That's the stuff of fantasies. He is who he is and he needs to go to allow any kind of good culture to take root. And that also means that we will likely get less talent coming back in return. TBH, at this point I'm more than ok with that.

PLD also seems to be trending this way, albeit for a different reason. I see no statement of intent - on or of the ice - to refute a desire to play in Montreal. If he wants to go there then, pack his bags and ship him out. I think his level of compete is higher so we may get a better return. In a perfect world a trade to Phoenix or Buffalo would be just deserts but likely not going to happen. he probably has the leverage to get what he wants, but our return may be ok if we do it this off-season.

Wheeler. A buy out would be best, cause he's untradeable and useless on the ice. How he still gets prime PP time and top six minutes is an absolute mystery and a travesty. Or just drop him to 12-14 minutes of line four and see what we get. if he can't accept it and it disrupts the room, then adios. Bottom Line with him is - what's more important? His 8 million a year or the 81Million you're spending overall. No one wants to waste 8 Million, but if it's affecting the overall expenditure then make it a business decision.

 

[ps241]

I'm sure if the Jets offered Chef to Florida, Maurice would do all he could to convince their GM to make the trade, and give the Jets whatever they want.

I think to keep things easy they could double up the press conference with welcoming Mark Scheifele to the Panthers and Paul Maurice could hand in his resignation at the same time again.

 

[sipowicz]

I'm sure if the Jets offered Chef to Florida, Maurice would do all he could to convince their GM to make the trade, and give the Jets whatever they want.

Nope, Maurice quit on the Jets because he knew guys like Schief, Wheezer and Ehlers weren’t gonna get you anywhere!

Mauirce talked these guys up because that’s what he does, actually being honest he wasn’t

 

[John Agar]

I've got this expensive Heritage Classic Chef jersey...

I'm disappointed it's come to this...

From old T-Shirts... to now... Two Dollars for each 2 square inch rag...

Sad times...

Probably necessary...

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Nope, Maurice quit on the Jets because he knew guys like Schief, Wheezer and Ehlers weren’t gonna get you anywhere!

Mauirce talked these guys up because that’s what he does, actually being honest he wasn’t

Have you gone full Yoda now?