Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[Weezeric]

Scheifele has been at 53 xG% the last ten games. Combine that with a 2.7% on ice shooting percentage and an .870 on ice save percentage doesn’t equal bad play in my books…

 

[DRW204]

Scheifele has been at 53 xG% the last ten games. Combine that with a 2.7% on ice shooting percentage and an .870 on ice save percentage doesn’t equal bad play in my books…

I think it looks worse bc his individual shot Or xgf contributions are low. He's gone shotless a few games over this recent stretch.

I mean you don't see Helle tanking because he's criminally underpaid...

Maybe bc Helle doesn't let things like that bother him. He's also still the 6th highest paid goalie in the nhl, and that's off a contract signed years ago as an Rfa.

 

[Boonk]

My only fear is that after being traded he plays like the player we all think he can be. Basically dragging his ass on purpose while here. Then performing to his potential once gone. What a slap in the face to Winnipeg fans that would be.

It happens, best we can do from here on out is get full value and return on him if it goes that way.

 

[AlaskaJet]

Centre's not the Jets problem, they have no wingers.

The Jets have only one problem?

But he does play it.

Even his poke checks are lame..
What is it with that?

 

[ERYX]

Yup i think its time to part ways and blow it up. Back to Back coaches now that cant get any consistency or long-term buy in from Scheifele. He either doesnt want to be here or doesnt give a shit about whats best for the team, either way its time to say bye bye. Hand the C over to Morrissey, trade Scheifele, PLD, and Wheeler. Re-set the locker room, get a top 6 center out of one of those trades, hopefully sign another top 6 FA center, and pray that you can re-sign Hellebuyck. Time for a rebuild.

Hard not to agree with this. I'd argue it's been three coaches not just two coaches who can't get consistency or long-term buy-in. We've been having the same conversations about him since the 18-19 season I think.

Scheif needs a change of scenery and Jets need him out of here. He should be worthy of a good return.

PLD, if he still doesn't want to be here, and the concept of replacing Scheif as the face of the franchise does not appeal to him, needs to be dealt as well. Especially no reason to keep him as a "self rental" if Scheif is being moved (unless Chevy can swing a true "hockey trade" where it's a lateral move not a blow it up move).

Wheeler, I believe, is going to be very hard to trade. I can't see Chevy retaining 50% on him which is what it would take. I personally like Wheels and have never had the hatred for him others do. Never saw him as a bad leader, he leaves it all on the ice and you can't question his effort or dedication. I personally liked his saltiness with the media (who I also dislike heavily). But there must be something behind the scenes.

 

[AlaskaJet]

But he does play it.

Even his poke checks are lame..
What is it with that?

 

[ps241]

Scheifele is a V good offensive player. Legitimate questions on his intangibles, leadership etc I beleive.

Idk i think he could use a change of scenery. I think of it as Kessel from Toronto to PIT. Like I am not sure if he can be counted in on to lead the group intangibly if that makes sense? He'll still score, put up points etc. But I think a less-pressure environment would be ideal for him to really thrive now.

Last summer I thought PIT or BOS would be good spots for him. Vet laden locker rooms where he can just concentrate on playing hockey. Clear leaders in place too. You're probably looking at PO team or cup contenders vying for him aggressively, especially at his cap hit. He doesn't have to lead. Like mentioned before, Kessel didn't have to be a leader, and Taylor Hall in Boston to a lesser extent.

Carolina I think would be another good spot for him as well.

Kessel is a nice comparison. Really important “support” piece of the puzzle on a championship team but they shouldn’t be In the core leadership group. It’s important they are 4th or 5th in the alpha pecking order so other leaders can challenge Scheif and put him in his place if he pouts IMO.

If evander kane was able to stay in the league, a team will trade for scheif.

I have to say i wish there was a doc following the jets 2.0... vince mcmahon couldnt write a heel turn on this level

Reminds me of the Bret Hart heel swerve.

 

[tbcwpg]

I thought what Sean Reynolds had to say today on WST was pretty interesting- he said that benching Scheifele didn't work because he was coddled for so long by the previous coach that he doesn't know how to react to being benched. He doesn't believe it's a tantrum or anything but that Scheifele doesn't know what to do when he's challenged because he's never been challenged - Wheeler as well.

 

[LowLefty]

I thought what Sean Reynolds had to say today on WST was pretty interesting- he said that benching Scheifele didn't work because he was coddled for so long by the previous coach that he doesn't know how to react to being benched. He doesn't believe it's a tantrum or anything but that Scheifele doesn't know what to do when he's challenged because he's never been challenged - Wheeler as well.

Who knows -
Maybe he doesn't understand that benching is bad and usually means the coach is looking for a little more of this, or a little less of that.
You'd also have to assume the coach has had a discussion with the player before resorting to benching.
You'd have to have been coddled into a coma if you don't understand how to react to a benching -

Or maybe I'm looking at this too simplistically.

 

[None]

I thought what Sean Reynolds had to say today on WST was pretty interesting- he said that benching Scheifele didn't work because he was coddled for so long by the previous coach that he doesn't know how to react to being benched. He doesn't believe it's a tantrum or anything but that Scheifele doesn't know what to do when he's challenged because he's never been challenged - Wheeler as well.

Just furthering the indictment of the organization for holding on to Maurice for so long, but maybe it's an organizational issue

Poor leadership on and off the ice?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I thought what Sean Reynolds had to say today on WST was pretty interesting- he said that benching Scheifele didn't work because he was coddled for so long by the previous coach that he doesn't know how to react to being benched. He doesn't believe it's a tantrum or anything but that Scheifele doesn't know what to do when he's challenged because he's never been challenged - Wheeler as well.

Who knows -
Maybe he doesn't understand that benching is bad and usually means the coach is looking for a little more of this, or a little less of that.
You'd also have to assume the coach has had a discussion with the player before resorting to benching.
You'd have to have been coddled into a coma if you don't understand how to react to a benching -

Or maybe I'm looking at this too simplistically.

Far be it from me to suggest that 55 is too Dim to see the problem, but perhaps Bones needs to try a less subtle approach to getting his message across.

 

[Buffdog]

I thought what Sean Reynolds had to say today on WST was pretty interesting- he said that benching Scheifele didn't work because he was coddled for so long by the previous coach that he doesn't know how to react to being benched. He doesn't believe it's a tantrum or anything but that Scheifele doesn't know what to do when he's challenged because he's never been challenged - Wheeler as well.

My personal belief (backed with a bit of insider info - mods feel free to contact me) is that schief is one of the main reason PoMo left

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Far be it from me to suggest that 55 is too Dim to see the problem, but perhaps Bones needs to try a less subtle approach to getting his message across.

To be fair, that didn't work out all that great for Alex.

 

[Jets 31]

My personal belief (backed with a bit of insider info - mods feel free to contact me) is that schief is one of the main reason PoMo left

If that's true how hasn't Chevy traded Scheifele? I get it's easier to fire a coach but this is basically Scheifele's 4th coach since he's been a Jet .

 

[Jets4Life]

If that's true how hasn't Chevy traded Scheifele? I get it's easier to fire a coach but this is basically Scheifele's 4th coach since he's been a Jet .

I personally think it's time to move on from Scheifele. The Jets still can get a big return for him, as he is still seen as a #1C. He just turned 31, and the time to move him is now. Concentrate on signing Hellebuyck and PLD.

 

[Zippity]

If that's true how hasn't Chevy traded Scheifele? I get it's easier to fire a coach but this is basically Scheifele's 4th coach since he's been a Jet .

He probably has tried

 

[Jets 31]

He probably has tried

Don't think it would be hard to trade Scheifele at what he's making and Scheifele is still a player i think lots of teams would want.

 

[Weezeric]

I personally think it's time to move on from Scheifele. The Jets still can get a big return for him, as he is still seen as a #1C. He just turned 31, and the time to move him is now. Concentrate on signing Hellebuyck and PLD.

How are you supposed to sign your Vezina winning goalie who has said he only wants to be here if they’re trying to win, if they also trade their 1C….??

 

[voyageur]

How are you supposed to sign your Vezina winning goalie who has said he only wants to be here if they’re trying to win, if they also trade their 1C….??

Yep. Some propose trading both top 6 centers and re-signing Hellebuyck, that's the funny part. But the interesting part is if you trade away Scheif, Dubois, Wheeler (with retention) and inevitably Hellebuyck, this a Cap floor team, not a Cap ceiling team. So buckle up, and be careful what you wish for.

 

[ERYX]

How are you supposed to sign your Vezina winning goalie who has said he only wants to be here if they’re trying to win, if they also trade their 1C….??

You'd have to receive a 1C back which is probably why a trade hasn't come together. This is pure speculation but maybe Chevy has been trying to do such a trade that would allow him to keep Helle and not rebuild. But at some point I think he's going to have to move on from Scheif even if it means blowing things up.

 

[surixon]

Yep. Some propose trading both top 6 centers and re-signing Hellebuyck, that's the funny part. But the interesting part is if you trade away Scheif, Dubois, Wheeler (with retention) and inevitably Hellebuyck, this a Cap floor team, not a Cap ceiling team. So buckle up, and be careful what you wish for.

Ultimately depends on if you use the draft capital that you have received from those moves to fill the vacant spots.

I see management more likely following the Flames strategy of a retool on the fly with trades then the blow up and rebuild strategy.

 

[scelaton]

How are you supposed to sign your Vezina winning goalie who has said he only wants to be here if they’re trying to win, if they also trade their 1C….??

You'd have to convince Helle that the future is just as good without him.

Scheifele is currently 149th in the league in ES P/60. His defensive metrics are even worse, not to mention his intangibles. You don't win Cups with that.

People need to conceptually separate our #1G, who is Vezina-worthy, and our #1 D, who is Norris-worthy, from our #1 C, who is replaceable.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Ultimately depends on if you use the draft capital that you have received from those moves to fill the vacant spots.

I see management more likely following the Flames strategy of a retool on the fly with trades then the blow up and rebuild strategy.

Agree.

And it ain't like the cupboard is bare.

It's a retool, a rebuild, or keep-our-own-rentals and aim for the Cup, which likely leads to a mass exodus with nothing coming back.

Only the latter option sees us really bottom out, IMO.

But success will depend on proactive moves, a certain degree of ruthless pragmatism and a lack of nostalgia for the good ol' days of 2017-18. That may be asking a lot of this management group.

 

[10Ducky10]

If that's true how hasn't Chevy traded Scheifele? I get it's easier to fire a coach but this is basically Scheifele's 4th coach since he's been a Jet .

4th?

I personally think it's time to move on from Scheifele. The Jets still can get a big return for him, as he is still seen as a #1C. He just turned 31, and the time to move him is now. Concentrate on signing Hellebuyck and PLD.

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[Jets 31]

4th?


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Didn't Scheifele play some games under Noel? It's why i said basically. I could be wrong on that though.