Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[abax44]

The point was that it SHOULD have been done differently and Chevy gets paid big money to get it right, not to be no better than the consensus here.

So wait... people here actually think they're better than/as good Chevy at GM'ing?

Don't ever change HFBJets. Lol.

 

[bennylundholm]

this makes no sense...w/e no point in continuing with this

Lol.
How about "in my opinion, KFC, Ehlers and PLD would rather 55 be shipped out."

Anyone who believes the Jets young core want a guy around like 55 who gets prime PP minutes, doesn't back check hard, less than full effort, etc. is delusional.

 

[gojetsgo]

Lol.
How about "in my opinion, KFC, Ehlers and PLD would rather 55 be shipped out."

Anyone who believes the Jets young core want a guy around like 55 who gets prime PP minutes, doesn't back check hard, less than full effort, etc. is delusional.

I would say that anyone who thinks they know everything that goes on inside the dressing room is delusional, you would think if all these players hated scheifele and didn't want him around they would have zero problem calling him out for his play, but that's the thing that stastny said was the problem, that nobody held each other accountable

 

[bennylundholm]

I would say that anyone who thinks they know everything that goes on inside the dressing room is delusional, you would think if all these players hated scheifele and didn't want him around they would have zero problem calling him out for his play, but that's the thing that stastny said was the problem, that nobody held each other accountable

Yes, agreed. Anyone who thinks they know everything is delusional.
My guess is 55 has been called out by some but I'd guess not to the extent that needs be.
That would be on the coaches and captain, which I'm guessing did not happen.

 

[gojetsgo]

Yes, agreed. Anyone who thinks they know everything is delusional.
My guess is 55 has been called out by some but I'd guess not to the extent that needs be.
That would be on the coaches and captain, which I'm guessing did not happen.

that's where I blame coaching for most of these problems, it should of been fixed as soon as it started but maurice would only bench the younger players and lowry ended up being a clone of him in that regard, which is why I think it's still salvageable under a new coach. I think if players truly wanted him gone they would have let it be known in the exit meetings but if the reports are true from murat that it's 80-20 he's going to be traded then I think the players were more frustrated with coaching then with one another

 

[bennylundholm]

that's where I blame coaching for most of these problems, it should of been fixed as soon as it started but maurice would only bench the younger players and lowry ended up being a clone of him in that regard, which is why I think it's still salvageable under a new coach. I think if players truly wanted him gone they would have let it be known in the exit meetings but if the reports are true from murat that it's 80-20 he's going to be traded then I think the players were more frustrated with coaching then with one another

Murat said 80% likelihood 55 is traded?

 

[Teemusalami204]

I would say that anyone who thinks they know everything that goes on inside the dressing room is delusional, you would think if all these players hated scheifele and didn't want him around they would have zero problem calling him out for his play, but that's the thing that stastny said was the problem, that nobody held each other accountable

One thing we can all tell even though are not in the room is that Adam lowry ( who has been here almost longer then anyone ) was not happy with sheif at all sitting beside him in the exit interview.

He couldn’t get away from him fast enough.

Then we have stats calling shief out bigtime and at the same time calling wheeler out( who was sitting right beside him ) for not holding his best buddy accountable.

We don’t have to be in the room . The room spilt out into the open like a broken sandbag barrier wall holding back the red river

 

[gojetsgo]

Murat said 80% likelihood 55 is traded?

80% he is not

 

[surixon]

One thing we can all tell even though are not in the room is that Adam lowry ( who has been here almost longer then anyone ) was not happy with sheif at all sitting beside him in the exit interview.

He couldn’t get away from him fast enough.

Then we have stats calling shief out bigtime and at the same time calling wheeler out( who was sitting right beside him ) for not holding his best buddy accountable.

We don’t have to be in the room . The room spilt out into the open like a broken sandbag barrier wall holding back the red river

Yup, it's clear one group of players isn't happy with Mark and Blake.

You had all of Lowry, JoMo, Dubois, Stastny, Ehlers, Conner call out culture, respect, not putting the team first etc.

I think it's quite clear the younger group started seizing some control from Blake and Mark.

 

[gojetsgo]

One thing we can all tell even though are not in the room is that Adam lowry ( who has been here almost longer then anyone ) was not happy with sheif at all sitting beside him in the exit interview.

He couldn’t get away from him fast enough.

Then we have stats calling shief out bigtime and at the same time calling wheeler out( who was sitting right beside him ) for not holding his best buddy accountable.

We don’t have to be in the room . The room spilt out into the open like a broken sandbag barrier wall holding back the red river

what, maybe lowry wasn't happy because he was at an exit interview in a season we greatly failed to meet expectations...

stastny called out the whole team after going off on coaching saying players need to hold each other accountable, I know people want to say he was only calling 1 individual but our issues were far beyond just scheifele not being good defensively, look at that road trip when scheifele wasn't here, it was the exact same issues happening

 

[gojetsgo]

Yup, it's clear one group of players isn't happy with Mark and Blake.

You had all of Lowry, JoMo, Dubois, Stastny, Ehlers, Conner call out culture, respect, not putting the team first etc.

I think it's quite clear the younger group started seizing some control from Blake and Mark.

if they had taken control then they would have no problem calling each other out and holding each other accountable, stastny would have said "players need to accept accountability" if that was the case. stasnty called out the players after ranting about coaching and connor gave the cliche it's never too late to change culture after not making the playoffs that every team gives but the rest of those players really only called out coaching

 

[bennylundholm]

IF 55 is still around next year (hopefully not), I'd put him on the wing.
We can't have success with his lack of attention to defence at centre.
But, he does have a helluva shot.
Use him like a St.Lou did with Brett Hull, being free to go into a quiet area and appear for a one timer.

27. 25. 55
81. 80. 91
?? 17. 26

 

[surixon]

if they had taken control then they would have no problem calling each other out and holding each other accountable, stastny would have said "players need to accept accountability" if that was the case. stasnty called out the players after ranting about coaching and connor gave the cliche it's never too late to change culture after not making the playoffs that every team gives but the rest of those players really only called out coaching

I think coaching was an issue and I think there was a fractured room with one group trying to size more power and another trying to retain it.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think coaching was an issue and I think there was a fractured room with one group trying to size more power and another trying to retain it.

then why would these players not call each other out for poor play? the only thing we heard was that there was an issue of accountability not some civil war

 

[surixon]

then why would these players not call each other out for poor play? the only thing we heard was that there was an issue of accountability not some civil war

They did. Stastny specifically mentioned players not respecting the ones next to them.

Wheeler said Conner's culture comment was an indictment on him as the one who created the culture. There was plenty of finger pointing.

Morrissey stating that everyone needed to go home and think about what the players could do to put the logo first and come back ready. JoMo is more diplomatic but read between the lines. He doesn't mention putting the team first if there wasn't an issue with regards to some players not putting the best interests of the team first.

 

[gojetsgo]

They did. Stastny specifically mentioned players not respecting the ones next to them.

Wheeler said Conner's culture comment was an indictment on him as the one who created the culture. There was plenty of finger pointing.

Morrissey stating that everyone needed to go home and think about what the players could do to put the logo first and come back ready. JoMo is more diplomatic but read between the lines. He doesn't mention putting the team first if there wasn't an issue with regards to some players not putting the best interests of the team first.

stasny was the one who said players didn't hold each other accountable, he was saying players need to respect each the ones next to them as something that needed to change, I don't see how you can call that holding players accountable considering the season was already over.

we need players to hold each other accountable during the season when there is something to play for, not when were out of the playoffs or during exit interviews which it seems is the only place there was any sort of accountability

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Yup, it's clear one group of players isn't happy with Mark and Blake.

You had all of Lowry, JoMo, Dubois, Stastny, Ehlers, Conner call out culture, respect, not putting the team first etc.

I think it's quite clear the younger group started seizing some control from Blake and Mark.

This isn’t clear at all…..it’s all speculation and really the best source we have (Eric Comrie) said everyone got along and it was the best group of guys he’d ever been around.

I’m sure everyone didn’t always get along but this theory that a group of players is trying to overthrow a different group of players like it’s Star Wars isn’t a fact like you state it to be.

 

[UFO]

Completely offtopic, but I scored 4-5 goals with Scheifele the other night in nhl 22.. perhaps he should stay. a sign from the hockey gods?

 

[Teemusalami204]

Lots of great talk. I still read stats comments and specifically calling out Maurice and maybe Wheeler for letting sheif not play defensively .

Everyone else in the games I watched did try to play D and the systems just sucked

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

This isn’t clear at all…..it’s all speculation and really the best source we have (Eric Comrie) said everyone got along and it was the best group of guys he’d ever been around.

I’m sure everyone didn’t always get along but this theory that a group of players is trying to overthrow a different group of players like it’s Star Wars isn’t a fact like you state it to be.

In his high school yearbook, Comrie was probably voted Most Likely To Be a Corporate Lackey. IMO he was far too praiseful to be believable.

 

[DRW204]

In his high school yearbook, Comrie was probably voted Most Likely To Be a Corporate Lackey. IMO he was far too praiseful to be believable.

You'll seldom hear a coach, manager, player etc ever come out and say the room is a mess.

 

[Jetsetter]

This isn't about, is Mark Scheifele a very capable player, as he is very capable! So what is the issue, as I believe there is an "elephant in the room" issue that is rarely discussed?

So what is this about:
1.) His contract he signed with the Jets, that ended up being a very good value for the team? You get what you pay for mentality?
2.) Is it about him changing his playing focus away from a Gary Roberts "like thinking" (the 2018 Mark S.) to a points focused Adam Oates (who was typically an major points guy but rarely a positive plus minus player) and him looking to setting himself up for his next contract? It's all about the money!
3.) Is he immature in his thinking? The points he made at the end of the year, points to talking with his family, friends and (management team) about his future? Every interview I've seen him in, since he's come to Winnipeg, has been "scripted like" feedback points. What's truly his opinion?
4.) He can't be coached to play a system that can help him be a better player and win a Cup or does that matter to him? If not, why is that?
5.) All of the above?

Some of the questions I'd like to ask Mark are:
1.) Does he just not want to be a Jet and he needs to move on? Why is that, if that is true?
2.) Does he think that all that can be turned around with a coach like Trotz, who undoubtedly has a winning formula? If no, it's time to part ways. If yes, maybe he retires as a Jet and Mark S, is the next Alex Ovechkin project and a bronze statue of him gets errected some day in the future!

 

[ps241]

This isn't about, is Mark Scheifele a very capable player, as he is very capable! So what is the issue, as I believe there is an "elephant in the room" issue that is rarely discussed?

So what is this about:
1.) His contract he signed with the Jets, that ended up being a very good value for the team? You get what you pay for mentality?
2.) Is it about him changing his playing focus away from a Gary Roberts "like thinking" (the 2018 Mark S.) to a points focused Adam Oates (who was typically an major points guy but rarely a positive plus minus player) and him looking to setting himself up for his next contract? It's all about the money!
3.) Is he immature in his thinking? The points he made at the end of the year, points to talking with his family, friends and (management team) about his future? Every interview I've seen him in, since he's come to Winnipeg, has been "scripted like" feedback points. What's truly his opinion?
4.) He can't be coached to play a system that can help him be a better player and win a Cup or does that matter to him? If not, why is that?
5.) All of the above?

Some of the questions I'd like to ask Mark are:
1.) Does he just not want to be a Jet and he needs to move on? Why is that, if that is true?
2.) Does he think that all that can be turned around with a coach like Trotz, who undoubtedly has a winning formula? If no, it's time to part ways. If yes, maybe he retires as a Jet and Mark S, is the next Alex Ovechkin project and a bronze statue of him gets errected some day in the future!

Interesting that you aptly use Ovi. In the history of the sport I don’t think there has been a single player that has benefited more from one magic playoff run. Outside of that he and his very talented Caps teams have been a total blowout playoff failure for the length of his career. It’s not just the Caps, his international competition has been one humiliation after another.

Great goal scorer but man his approach did not seem to translate to team success minus his glorious outlier. Thank you Barry.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Interesting that you aptly use Ovi. In the history of the sport I don’t think there has been a single player that has benefited more from one magic playoff run. Outside of that he and his Caps teams have been a total blowout playoff failure for the length of his career. It’s not just the Caps, his international competition has been one humiliation after another.

Great goal scorer but man his approach did not seem to translate to team success minus his glorious outlier. Thank you Barry.

One could also argue that Trotz is a coach that has benefited from one magic playoff run. And how much of that run was Barry, and how much of it was just the stars aligning much like they did for the Blues? As Yogi might say, winning a Cup is 50% skill, 50% effort and 50% luck.

 

[surixon]

One could also argue that Trotz is a coach that has benefited from one magic playoff run. And how much of that run was Barry, and how much of it was just the stars aligning much like they did for the Blues? As Yogi might say, winning a Cup is 50% skill, 50% effort and 50% luck.

Well you definitely need some luck to win the cup but he also had a couple great runs back to back with some mediocre Islander teams so it's not just one big run in the last 5 years.