Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[TS Quint]

Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff said Tuesday he expects Mark Scheifele to remain with the team this off-season, after rumours previously swirled after the forward's future.

"Yeah, I do," Cheveldayoff told NHL.com. "My exit interview with Mark went well. Again, it was an emotional time for everybody. We asked [our players] to wear their emotions in the exits, and I think they were very productive."

Not surprising. Chevy really hasn’t rushed to move any of the whiners that wanted out. If he has a price in mind he will take the time he needs to find it.

 

[kanadalainen]

Cheveldayoff not expecting to trade Scheifele this off-season - TSN.ca

Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff said Tuesday he expects Mark Scheifele to remain with the team this off-season, after rumours previously swirled after the forward's future.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Mooche]

Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff said Tuesday he expects Mark Scheifele to remain with the team this off-season, after rumours previously swirled after the forward's future.

"Yeah, I do," Cheveldayoff told NHL.com. "My exit interview with Mark went well. Again, it was an emotional time for everybody. We asked [our players] to wear their emotions in the exits, and I think they were very productive."

Scheifele expected back with Jets next season, GM says | NHL.com

Cheveldayoff optimistic after meeting with center, who has two years remaining on contract

www.nhl.com

Smart move to try and retain leverage in the grand scheme of things.

No doubt the phone will be ringing off the hook for Scheifele this summer; and if he does want out, if the deal makes sense for the Jets, it'll be time to pull the trigger for Chevy.

 

[Guffman]

Would have loved to be a fly on the way for those interviews.

Contrary to popular belief, a fly cannot hear. A fly can sense vibrations through its antennae. Now, how to interpret those vibrations from Mark or Chevy probably wouldn't be very telling of their conversation.

Perhaps a small mammal, like a rat, that scurries under Chevy's desk, would be a better spy vessel though you would have to do your best not to squeak excitedly over what you hear.

 

[UFO]

Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff said Tuesday he expects Mark Scheifele to remain with the team this off-season, after rumours previously swirled after the forward's future.

"Yeah, I do," Cheveldayoff told NHL.com. "My exit interview with Mark went well. Again, it was an emotional time for everybody. We asked [our players] to wear their emotions in the exits, and I think they were very productive."

Scheifele expected back with Jets next season, GM says | NHL.com

Cheveldayoff optimistic after meeting with center, who has two years remaining on contract

www.nhl.com

 

[pateramus]

Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff said Tuesday he expects Mark Scheifele to remain with the team this off-season, after rumours previously swirled after the forward's future.

"Yeah, I do," Cheveldayoff told NHL.com. "My exit interview with Mark went well. Again, it was an emotional time for everybody. We asked [our players] to wear their emotions in the exits, and I think they were very productive."

Scheifele expected back with Jets next season, GM says | NHL.com

Cheveldayoff optimistic after meeting with center, who has two years remaining on contract

www.nhl.com

Given Lowry's comments "Sheifs has a big decision to make" (paraphrasing) and Sheifs saying he has to assess what HE wants etc.... Management must have had a talk with him and told him to figure things out. I really think he was stuck in some kind of mental funk. Could have been cause his separation from fiancé, could have felt underpaid compared to others, rift in personnel on the team, could be any number of things weighing down on him.

The question now is, does he need a change of scenery to get out of this funk? Or is he able to overcome it and give his all to the team again. Maybe after some time away from the team he's been able to get some clarity and able to recommit to the Jets.

 

[Daximus]

Cheveldayoff not expecting to trade Scheifele this off-season - TSN.ca

Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff said Tuesday he expects Mark Scheifele to remain with the team this off-season, after rumours previously swirled after the forward's future.

www.tsn.ca

This is interesting because there are two angles here.

The first is that Chevy could be on the offensive trying to do some damage control to keep Scheifs trade value up.

The other is that Scheif got really emotional this season and Chevy was able to talk him away from the edge and see some sense.

Given Chevy's track record I lean to the 1st one. But all things considered I hope he was able to talk some sense into the kid and we see a motivated and more team player Scheif next season who is willing to buy into the new system the coach brings and is able to adapt to a new locker room dynamic.

 

[ps241]

This is interesting because there are two angles here.

The first is that Chevy could be on the offensive trying to do some damage control to keep Scheifs trade value up.

The other is that Scheif got really emotional this season and Chevy was able to talk him away from the edge and see some sense.

Given Chevy's track record I lean to the 1st one. But all things considered I hope he was able to talk some sense into the kid and we see a motivated and more team player Scheif next season who is willing to buy into the new system the coach brings and is able to adapt to a new locker room dynamic.

At the end of the season I wanted 55 gone for a good price. On June 1st 2022 I am looking at it without emotion and a bit more pragmatically. If TNSE think they have a plan to win in 2022-23 that includes #55 knowing what we all witnessed last season then have at it but they better be right. If this is just a smoke screen that helps calm the waters before a trade then that's good too. Chevy did all the exit interviews so one would think he was in the best position to have the pulse of #55 and his disgruntled teammates.

Starting to have that Dubas Shanny go down with the ship we built vibe.

 

[gojetsgo]

I went back to try and find what chevy said when asked about potentially trading laine and all I could find was: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mani...ket-kevin-cheveldayoff-patrik-laine-1.5750731
Cheveldayoff wouldn't entertain any questions about Laine's future with the Jets. He said he wouldn't discuss the level of interest any team is showing toward any player.

He later said it wasn't out of the ordinary that a player of Laine's calibre would be the subject of trade talk.

"It's just the way the game is, with respect to looking at all the different options," Cheveldayoff said, adding private conversations between the brass of NHL teams are happening behind closed doors.

 

[Guffman]

The question now is, does he need a change of scenery to get out of this funk? Or is he able to overcome it and give his all to the team again. Maybe after some time away from the team he's been able to get some clarity and able to recommit to the Jets.

Having a fresh coaching staff should help especially if the coaching staff actually has a track record of success.

If we're bring in Trotz, I wouldn't be surprised to see Schiefele back and truly committed to success. If we bring in a TNSE flunky as HC, that's not something the players would be excited about. The team needs real change but I think that can simply come from the coaching side of things.

 

[voyageur]

Having a fresh coaching staff should help especially if the coaching staff actually has a track record of success.

If we're bring in Trotz, I wouldn't be surprised to see Schiefele back and truly committed to success. If we bring in a TNSE flunky as HC, that's not something the players would be excited about. The team needs real change but I think that can simply come from the coaching side of things.

I really think the whole Trotz thing has taken a life of its own. Sure he interviewed here, but let's say the number for a coach of his calibre comes down to $5 million per season, maybe more. Do the Jets make that investment? I still feel like there's a rebuild coming around the corner, with the number of contracts that are about to expire, and the lack of internal replacements. Does Trotz want to coach a rebuild? Probably not. So there is other options. You know Vegas will spend its currency to improve, and have no trouble attracting players. I really don't think we're in the running for Trotz and some people are going to be disappointed.

As for Scheifele, you see he's down in California with Comrie right now. And Comrie is talking like re-signing with the Jets is a priority for him. So that's a sign right there that maybe Mr. Scheif isn't as peeved as he was end of year. And I think some frustration came from our coaching, who won't be back, except Flats. So I fully expect the Jets to have Scheifele in the lineup to begin the year. What the lineup looks like after the trade deadline is going to be largely dependent on the team's performance, in my view.

 

[Romang67]

I still want Scheifele gone. I have no interest in hearing about long term contract discussions with a high producing player who couldn't muster the motivation to keep up his defensive play on the right side of 30.

Ship him out.

 

[gojetsgo]

I really think the whole Trotz thing has taken a life of its own. Sure he interviewed here, but let's say the number for a coach of his calibre comes down to $5 million per season, maybe more. Do the Jets make that investment? I still feel like there's a rebuild coming around the corner, with the number of contracts that are about to expire, and the lack of internal replacements. Does Trotz want to coach a rebuild? Probably not. So there is other options. You know Vegas will spend its currency to improve, and have no trouble attracting players. I really don't think we're in the running for Trotz and some people are going to be disappointed.

As for Scheifele, you see he's down in California with Comrie right now. And Comrie is talking like re-signing with the Jets is a priority for him. So that's a sign right there that maybe Mr. Scheif isn't as peeved as he was end of year. And I think some frustration came from our coaching, who won't be back, except Flats. So I fully expect the Jets to have Scheifele in the lineup to begin the year. What the lineup looks like after the trade deadline is going to be largely dependent on the team's performance, in my view.

friedman reported we are "very serious and made a very competitive offer" last week so don't think the money will be an issue and the rumor is trotz wants to get into management so if we do go into a rebuild a few years down the road then he can stop coaching and move into that roll, also vegas spent their currency, they don't have anything left

 

[voyageur]

I still want Scheifele gone. I have no interest in hearing about long term contract discussions with a high producing player who couldn't muster the motivation to keep up his defensive play on the right side of 30.

Ship him out.

I hate to tell you that Dubois was pretty lazy defensively too, took a lot of selfish and costly penalties, and he didn't take defensive zone draws because he's terrible at faceoffs.

We had two point per game players last year and Scheifele was one of them.

I realize you are not from Winnipeg so you have no connection to the players, but Scheifele's still the guy that started our ascension.

I'd rather see him back, and back at a high level, since we've seen that the Jets are worse without him.

This is going to be the last year for this core, and when Scheifele, Hellebuyck, De Melo, Dillon are all moved on in the next year or so, it's going to be a rebuild. So I am going to enjoy this season.

 

[Romang67]

I hate to tell you that Dubois was pretty lazy defensively too, took a lot of selfish and costly penalties, and he didn't take defensive zone draws because he's terrible at faceoffs.

We had two point per game players last year and Scheifele was one of them.

I realize you are not from Winnipeg so you have no connection to the players, but Scheifele's still the guy that started our ascension.

I'd rather see him back, and back at a high level, since we've seen that the Jets are worse without him.

This is going to be the last year for this core, and when Scheifele, Hellebuyck, De Melo, Dillon are all moved on in the next year or so, it's going to be a rebuild. So I am going to enjoy this season.

Dubois's defensive play isn't even comparable to Scheifele's. Scheifele was a relatively fine player defensively who has now been one of the worst defensive forwards in the league for 3 seasons running.

Not touching the comment about having no connection to the players. It's silly.

I'd rather see him shipped out for value instead of waiting until he leaves in free agency or (absolute worst case scenario) the team gives him a long contract into his late 30s out of some weird hope that he will suddenly, after 3.5 seasons of not caring about half of the rink, decide to give a shit on the ice again.

 

[surixon]

I hate to tell you that Dubois was pretty lazy defensively too, took a lot of selfish and costly penalties, and he didn't take defensive zone draws because he's terrible at faceoffs.

We had two point per game players last year and Scheifele was one of them.

I realize you are not from Winnipeg so you have no connection to the players, but Scheifele's still the guy that started our ascension.

I'd rather see him back, and back at a high level, since we've seen that the Jets are worse without him.

This is going to be the last year for this core, and when Scheifele, Hellebuyck, De Melo, Dillon are all moved on in the next year or so, it's going to be a rebuild. So I am going to enjoy this season.

Scheifele can come back if he's pulled his head out of his ass and is willing to commit to being a team player, that and he smoothes things over with his teammates. Sure he might be talented but if he's despised in the room for his attitude and effort then it's just clear not worth bringing him back. Sell now and move on.

I'm a Winnipeger and have bought season tickets since day 1 and I want nothing to do with the player we saw wearing 55 last year. I don't care what he did for the team up to our high water mark. That is in the past and he's likely been a big reason for our fall from grace as well. I don't see how that matters anyhow, I want the team to win and have little sentimentality to individual players, especially if they perform as he did last year.

Hopefully the exit interview went as Chevy said and he's committed to doing whatever he can to get this team back to the playoffs and on from there. If not move him out. Even of he is I take a long look at what offers are out there.

 

[jetsforever]

Obviously Chevy wasn't going to say that he wants to trade Scheif, no matter what he actually thinks
I don't expect Mark to be gone though

 

[Guffman]

I still feel like there's a rebuild coming around the corner, with the number of contracts that are about to expire, and the lack of internal replacements. Does Trotz want to coach a rebuild? Probably not.

Jets signed a lot of their core to team friendly, long-term deals. Eventually contracts expire but that doesn't mean they won't resign with the Jets (they signed here after all). Plus, if Trotz came here, we would expect the team to be more successful and therefore the likelihood of resigning some of these players increases.

I don't see a rebuild happening unless the team continues to take a dump on the ice, which is quite a bit less likely if we have Trotz here.

This is going to be the last year for this core, and when Scheifele, Hellebuyck, De Melo, Dillon are all moved on in the next year or so, it's going to be a rebuild.

We need to start moving out some of our D anyways for quality prospects to get playing. Why are we moving Hellebuyck? Why wouldn't we resign him? He'll stay if the Jets are trying to compete.

Schiefele... still not sure what's going to happen with him but trading him doesn't necessarily signal a rebuild especially factoring whatever we get back from him.

 

[Cnile]

I still want Scheifele gone. I have no interest in hearing about long term contract discussions with a high producing player who couldn't muster the motivation to keep up his defensive play on the right side of 30.

Ship him out.

It’s the others who want to be here I’m concerned about.
I also want him gone

 

[voyageur]

Dubois's defensive play isn't even comparable to Scheifele's. Scheifele was a relatively fine player defensively who has now been one of the worst defensive forwards in the league for 3 seasons running.

Not touching the comment about having no connection to the players. It's silly.

I'd rather see him shipped out for value instead of waiting until he leaves in free agency or (absolute worst case scenario) the team gives him a long contract into his late 30s out of some weird hope that he will suddenly, after 3.5 seasons of not caring about half of the rink, decide to give a shit on the ice again.

Dubois isn't a 200 ft player either, which is my point.

Seems like we win with Scheifele healthy, 2018, with 14 goals, 2021 (round1); and lose without him, injured Scheifele (2020) and suspended by the league (2021,round 2). In 2019 your countryman Hagelin I am sure injured him before the playoffs.

So the team is better with him, and at no point have we seen Dubois pick up the slack. 60 points with Connor as your winger, and more gravy offensive zone time, is a bit of a disappointment, by my standards. Especially when the bulk of the goals come on the PP, and you have the same goal scoring per 60 as Adam Lowry who starts on the other end of the ice, and gets beat like horse around here for lack of production.

I know Scheifele's weaknesses, I think we all do. But Jesus the guy is a real good hockey player who likes matching up with the best. Only last year did he not match up in any way.

I think he'll be more valuable if he has a 90 point, 35 goal season, which he is capable of, than last year's mess. And I don't think it's beyond his realm. I don't think that will translate into another contract here, as I think he's ready to move on. But I expect 55 to be a professional. I'm still glad Chevy drafted him, on Ducky's word. That's the kind of sentimentality that you may not get, but that's the not the point.

 

[jetsforever]

This is going to be the last year for this core, and when Scheifele, Hellebuyck, De Melo, Dillon are all moved on in the next year or so, it's going to be a rebuild. So I am going to enjoy this season.

Hellebuyck?!

 

[TS Quint]

I really think the whole Trotz thing has taken a life of its own. Sure he interviewed here, but let's say the number for a coach of his calibre comes down to $5 million per season, maybe more. Do the Jets make that investment? I still feel like there's a rebuild coming around the corner, with the number of contracts that are about to expire, and the lack of internal replacements. Does Trotz want to coach a rebuild? Probably not. So there is other options. You know Vegas will spend its currency to improve, and have no trouble attracting players. I really don't think we're in the running for Trotz and some people are going to be disappointed.

As for Scheifele, you see he's down in California with Comrie right now. And Comrie is talking like re-signing with the Jets is a priority for him. So that's a sign right there that maybe Mr. Scheif isn't as peeved as he was end of year. And I think some frustration came from our coaching, who won't be back, except Flats. So I fully expect the Jets to have Scheifele in the lineup to begin the year. What the lineup looks like after the trade deadline is going to be largely dependent on the team's performance, in my view.

How much playoff Gate money do you figure keeping Maurice cost Chipman Including this year? I think there is a pretty good argument to make that The Jets have been underperforming for the vast majority of Maurice’s contract. Paying the extra $2-3m on a coach would most likely have been a wise investment.

If you want to win now you need a win now coach.

I think you’re off the deep end talking about a rebuild anytime soon.

 

[voyageur]

Jets signed a lot of their core to team friendly, long-term deals. Eventually contracts expire but that doesn't mean they won't resign with the Jets (they signed here after all). Plus, if Trotz came here, we would expect the team to be more successful and therefore the likelihood of resigning some of these players increases.

I don't see a rebuild happening unless the team continues to take a dump on the ice, which is quite a bit less likely if we have Trotz here.

We need to start moving out some of our D anyways for quality prospects to get playing. Why are we moving Hellebuyck? Why wouldn't we resign him? He'll stay if the Jets are trying to compete.

Schiefele... still not sure what's going to happen with him but trading him doesn't necessarily signal a rebuild especially factoring whatever we get back from him.

I don't know, everyone seems to think that you can kick one member out of the band, and just keep it together. It reverberates. It's not like Scheifele hasn't been here since the begininng.

I think a long term contract with Hellebuyck would be hella risky. We finally saw a drop off likely due to sleep deprivation. Probably be more in store where that came from. Goalies are extremely voodoo and can go from hero to zero faster than any position. Besides he really seemed to dislike our media and the Covid restrictions as the season went on. And he's not the only one, and maybe that's forgotten now, but maybe it isn't.

I don't see anyone in our system who replaces De Melo, and his trade value probably won't get you that player. You can replace Dillon internally, but the team just got softer, and the team is already too damn soft. Which is why players on opposing teams take knees and head shots at us. So come on up Ville and Declan, but remember to protect your neck.

I'm not pinning my hopes on Trotz, so I guess that's the biggest difference.

 

[surixon]

Dubois isn't a 200 ft player either, which is my point.

Seems like we win with Scheifele healthy, 2018, with 14 goals, 2021 (round1); and lose without him, injured Scheifele (2020) and suspended by the league (2021,round 2). In 2019 your countryman Hagelin I am sure injured him before the playoffs.

So the team is better with him, and at no point have we seen Dubois pick up the slack. 60 points with Connor as your winger, and more gravy offensive zone time, is a bit of a disappointment, by my standards. Especially when the bulk of the goals come on the PP, and you have the same goal scoring per 60 as Adam Lowry who starts on the other end of the ice, and gets beat like horse around here for lack of production.

I know Scheifele's weaknesses, I think we all do. But Jesus the guy is a real good hockey player who likes matching up with the best. Only last year did he not match up in any way.

I think he'll be more valuable if he has a 90 point, 35 goal season, which he is capable of, than last year's mess. And I don't think it's beyond his realm. I don't think that will translate into another contract here, as I think he's ready to move on. But I expect 55 to be a professional. I'm still glad Chevy drafted him, on Ducky's word. That's the kind of sentimentality that you may not get, but that's the not the point.

Dubois tilts the ice in such a way it more then offsets his okish defense. Scheifele hasn't done that in awhile so you get a liability who hasn't been able to hard match in years now. He's been crushed by top comp for a while.

Are you really bringing up linemates in this debate? Scheifele has had the best linemates and most ice time given to him for years now.

With regards to Dubois it isn't just about points, it's the complete package. It's his ability to drive play with his scoring and physical play. Also pp goals count just the same as other goals. He also likely scores much more next season 5 on 5 when he has some regression to his normal finishing rate. He finished at career worst rates this past year despite putting up career bests in caliber of scoring chances.

 

[voyageur]

How much playoff Gate money do you figure keeping Maurice cost Chipman Including this year? I think there is a pretty good argument to make that The Jets have been underperforming for the vast majority of Maurice’s contract. Paying the extra $2-3m on a coach would most likely have been a wise investment.

If you want to win now you need a win now coach.

I think you’re off the deep end talking about a rebuild anytime soon.

I don't know how you can't see the writing on the wall.

Only one guy, the Captain, technically 2 if you count Toby, has signed on to finish their career here. I guess you could add Buff and Little too...

The big acheivement for Chevy was getting Scheifele first to sign beyond his 7 year window, then Helly, Josh, Nik, and Connor. And then Lowry. Two of those are expiring, and Winnipeg is looking more and more like a festering shit hole as time goes on. Do you really expect guys to go the distance here?

I'm sorry but for a team that can't attract free agents, why wouldn't Scheifele and Hellebuyck want to go somewhere they believe they can win. I mean Copp didn't sign long term, probably for that very reason.

Start losing the core, it's a rebuild, because the Jets are going to struggle on a one off trade, with pending UFAs, so it's likely younger pieces and picks, like the Kane trade, which was part of a rebuild, minus a gratitious playoff appearance.